Chris Paul is the best player in the NBA

[guava_wrench]

Am I the only person that remembers LeBron taking a team whose second best player was Larry Hughes to the NBA Finals? LeBron is easily the best player in the NBA.

Lebron James did that 5 years ago. He's probably the best player in the NBA but stating something he did 5 years ago doesn't do much for me. He's been on a bunch of much better teams since and has shrinked incredibly with more talent surrounding him

Yet it is something that CP3 has never done at any age.

I am reluctant to put a lot of weight in great losing performances. Lebron's major problem that I feel some are latching on too is too much success, meaning there are a lot of playoff games to cherry pick from.

I don't see how 'clutchness' in big moments is on CP3's side when he has had no really big moments in his career. I could see that argument being used for Kobe, but not CP3.

[Donoghus]

No, he isn't.

Lebron James is.

[Fafnir]

-2009 EFC  (aside from that hail mary jumpshot that won game 2)

I know everyone self edits their own memories to justify their opinions that are most often created emotionally, but do you remember that series at all?

LeBron was a MONSTER that series, his performance was one of the best in playoff history in ANY series ever. He just got virtually no help at all.

He averaged 38.5 PPG 8.3 RPG 8 APG on .591 TS% averaging 40+ MPG. He got to the line 16 times per game that series! He basically averaged that series what he did in Boston in game 7 east semis in 07-08 for AN ENTIRE SERIES.

He also was the only one who could guard either Rashard Lewis or Hedo and whenever he swapped the other would kill the Cavs. If they rested him for more than 8 minutes a game they'd get outscored massively because they couldn't score if he wasn't on the court against the Magic.

[jbaerg]

Nenad Kristic. Nuff Said

[OsirusCeltics]

-2009 EFC  (aside from that hail mary jumpshot that won game 2)

I know everyone self edits their own memories to justify their opinions that are most often created emotionally, but do you remember that series at all?

LeBron was a MONSTER that series, his performance was one of the best in playoff history in ANY series ever. He just got virtually no help at all.

He averaged 38.5 PPG 8.3 RPG 8 APG on .591 TS% averaging 40+ MPG. He got to the line 16 times per game that series! He basically averaged that series what he did in Boston in game 7 east semis in 07-08 for AN ENTIRE SERIES.

He also was the only one who could guard either Rashard Lewis or Hedo and whenever he swapped the other would kill the Cavs. If they rested him for more than 8 minutes a game they'd get outscored massively because they couldn't score if he wasn't on the court against the Magic.

Lebron has monster numbers all the time, but still fails in the clutch, which means he's not a leader. So whats your point?

[Donoghus]

CP3's never made it out of the 2nd round.   Guess that means he's not a leader, either.

At least, Lebron has made the Finals...twice.

[OsirusCeltics]

CP3's never made it out of the 2nd round.   Guess that means he's not a leader, either.

At least, Lebron has made the Finals...twice.

Theres always a misconception that "Lebron did it all by himself"
Put up Lebron's Cavs teammates up against Chris' Hornets teammates
I rest my case

[Donoghus]

CP3's never made it out of the 2nd round.   Guess that means he's not a leader, either.

At least, Lebron has made the Finals...twice.

Theres always a misconception that "Lebron did it all by himself"
Put up Lebron's Cavs teammates up against Chris' Hornets teammates
I rest my case

You really haven't rested anything besides illustrating an axe to grind against Lebron. 

[indeedproceed]

-2009 EFC  (aside from that hail mary jumpshot that won game 2)

I know everyone self edits their own memories to justify their opinions that are most often created emotionally, but do you remember that series at all?

LeBron was a MONSTER that series, his performance was one of the best in playoff history in ANY series ever. He just got virtually no help at all.

He averaged 38.5 PPG 8.3 RPG 8 APG on .591 TS% averaging 40+ MPG. He got to the line 16 times per game that series! He basically averaged that series what he did in Boston in game 7 east semis in 07-08 for AN ENTIRE SERIES.

He also was the only one who could guard either Rashard Lewis or Hedo and whenever he swapped the other would kill the Cavs. If they rested him for more than 8 minutes a game they'd get outscored massively because they couldn't score if he wasn't on the court against the Magic.

Lebron has monster numbers all the time, but still fails in the clutch, which means he's not a leader. So whats your point?

So who exactly are the leaders? Because if you're dismissing LeBron after all he's done, you'd also gonna have to throw Howard, Durant, Rose, Love, Steve Nash, Melo, Blake Griffin, Westbrook, Aldridge, Deron Williams...

Basically all the top players in the league outside of the big 3, kobe, Dirk, and Wade.

And even that is a pretty flimsy case, because if you look at those championship teams, they're all way deeper than anything leBron had up until last year, and Miami still had no bench, even then.

[indeedproceed]

CP3's never made it out of the 2nd round.   Guess that means he's not a leader, either.

At least, Lebron has made the Finals...twice.

Theres always a misconception that "Lebron did it all by himself"
Put up Lebron's Cavs teammates up against Chris' Hornets teammates
I rest my case

You really should do that, because David West is better than any teammate LeBron James ever had up until D-Wade came along.

[wdleehi]

CP3's never made it out of the 2nd round.   Guess that means he's not a leader, either.

At least, Lebron has made the Finals...twice.

Theres always a misconception that "Lebron did it all by himself"
Put up Lebron's Cavs teammates up against Chris' Hornets teammates
I rest my case

You really should do that, because David West is better than any teammate LeBron James ever had up until D-Wade came along.

Tyson Chandler was better the Lebron's teammates.

[indeedproceed]

CP3's never made it out of the 2nd round.   Guess that means he's not a leader, either.

At least, Lebron has made the Finals...twice.

Theres always a misconception that "Lebron did it all by himself"
Put up Lebron's Cavs teammates up against Chris' Hornets teammates
I rest my case

You really should do that, because David West is better than any teammate LeBron James ever had up until D-Wade came along.

Tyson Chandler was better the Lebron's teammates.

He was my next piece after the 'okay he had one good teammate'.

[fairweatherfan]

Out of curiosity, can anyone name a player in the entire league who's done more in the playoffs without winning a ring than LeBron? 

Because there are hundreds of players without rings, including most of the elite guys.  It's one thing to criticize LeBron for his playoff performances when comparing him to someone like Kobe, Dirk or Pierce, but it's a major double standard to make it a strike against him when comparing him to Paul, Howard, Rose, Durant, etc. 

[OsirusCeltics]

CP3's never made it out of the 2nd round.   Guess that means he's not a leader, either.

At least, Lebron has made the Finals...twice.

Theres always a misconception that "Lebron did it all by himself"
Put up Lebron's Cavs teammates up against Chris' Hornets teammates
I rest my case

You really should do that, because David West is better than any teammate LeBron James ever had up until D-Wade came along.

Tyson Chandler was better the Lebron's teammates.

Who was Chris Paul's second scorer? Its like saying Iverson had Mutumbo when Mutumbo rarely scores

Both Tyson and David West need to be fed the ball in order to score. Kinda like Brandon Bass, where Rondo can make him look really good. Morris Peterson was ok

While Lebron had Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshal, Damon Jones, Daniel Gibson (who scored 30 in game 6 of the EFC), and Sasha Pavlovic. Even Big Z can rack up points. Yup, Lebron did it by himself

[indeedproceed]

CP3's never made it out of the 2nd round.   Guess that means he's not a leader, either.

At least, Lebron has made the Finals...twice.

Theres always a misconception that "Lebron did it all by himself"
Put up Lebron's Cavs teammates up against Chris' Hornets teammates
I rest my case

You really should do that, because David West is better than any teammate LeBron James ever had up until D-Wade came along.

Tyson Chandler was better the Lebron's teammates.

Who was Chris Paul's second scorer? Its like saying Iverson had Mutumbo when Mutumbo rarely scores

Both Tyson and David West need to be fed the ball in order to score. Kinda like Brandon Bass. Morris Peterson was ok

While Lebron had Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshal, Damon Jones, Daniel Gibson (who scored 30 in game 6 of the EFC), and Sasha Pavlovic. Even Big Z can rack up points. Yup, Lebron did it by himself

You have a drastically different view of the guys LeBron played with than I do.