This team CANNOT WIN a championship without Ray Allen

[thestackshow]

You better hope they CAN, because hes done for the playoffs it looks like.

[Mr October]

I think the C's can win without Allen. But, in addition to solid overall play by the rest of the team, KG needs to step back into the time machine like he did in the second half of the season.

The C's fortune during this era has always hinged on KG.

[thestackshow]

I think the C's can win without Allen. But, in addition to solid overall play by the rest of the team, KG needs to step back into the time machine like he did in the second half of the season.

The C's fortune during this era has always hinged on KG.

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KG played great last night just not in the first half, he actually finished with a minessota KG statline 20 and 12.

[Mr October]

I think the C's can win without Allen. But, in addition to solid overall play by the rest of the team, KG needs to step back into the time machine like he did in the second half of the season.

The C's fortune during this era has always hinged on KG.

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KG played great last night just not in the first half, he actually finished with a minessota KG statline 20 and 12.

He's got to do it the whole night. 1st half was awful. And giving up 18 boards to Josh Smith was not very vintage KG like. 

Here's to hoping the rust is shaken off. The second half results gives me hope.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I'm tired of the anti Ray talk. I'm tired of the unrealistic expectations of a 21 year old kid.

Ray Allen's impact on this team is huge. Forget the LARGE number of huge shots he has hit over these past 5 years (and it's a very large number) the spacing, playing decoy, ect. ect. ect.

We need him. It literally bothers me to hear the negative talk about him. He has done nothing but help this franchise win. Even playing incredible defense in the playoffs over the years.

If Ray was playing tonight, we win, IMO. We didn't hit a single 3 pointer tonight. Bradley is going to be a fine player, but this stage is just flat out too big for him right now..

Walter Ray Allen, please get well soon.

Ray Allen didnt show up at all in the 2008 series vs the Hawks, and has historically not shown up in the playoffs except for a few games in his Celtic career.

I dont get why you think Ray will all of the sudden be some huge scorer for the entire playoffs, he is a streak shooter, its a coin flip if hes going to have it for a series, and judging by how neither KG or PP had it for the first half, I wouldnt expect Ray after missing all this time to have it either.

This. I want Ray to be healthy and available and raining threes, but if my memory serves correctly, there hasn't been one playoff series in Ray's Celtics career in which he's been consistently good the whole series.

[colincb]

I'm tired of the anti Ray talk. I'm tired of the unrealistic expectations of a 21 year old kid.

Ray Allen's impact on this team is huge. Forget the LARGE number of huge shots he has hit over these past 5 years (and it's a very large number) the spacing, playing decoy, ect. ect. ect.

We need him. It literally bothers me to hear the negative talk about him. He has done nothing but help this franchise win. Even playing incredible defense in the playoffs over the years.

If Ray was playing tonight, we win, IMO. We didn't hit a single 3 pointer tonight. Bradley is going to be a fine player, but this stage is just flat out too big for him right now..

Walter Ray Allen, please get well soon.

Ray Allen didnt show up at all in the 2008 series vs the Hawks, and has historically not shown up in the playoffs except for a few games in his Celtic career.

I dont get why you think Ray will all of the sudden be some huge scorer for the entire playoffs, he is a streak shooter, its a coin flip if hes going to have it for a series, and judging by how neither KG or PP had it for the first half, I wouldnt expect Ray after missing all this time to have it either.

This. I want Ray to be healthy and available and raining threes, but if my memory serves correctly, there hasn't been one playoff series in Ray's Celtics career in which he's been consistently good the whole series.

Finals 2008.

[thestackshow]

I'm tired of the anti Ray talk. I'm tired of the unrealistic expectations of a 21 year old kid.

Ray Allen's impact on this team is huge. Forget the LARGE number of huge shots he has hit over these past 5 years (and it's a very large number) the spacing, playing decoy, ect. ect. ect.

We need him. It literally bothers me to hear the negative talk about him. He has done nothing but help this franchise win. Even playing incredible defense in the playoffs over the years.

If Ray was playing tonight, we win, IMO. We didn't hit a single 3 pointer tonight. Bradley is going to be a fine player, but this stage is just flat out too big for him right now..

Walter Ray Allen, please get well soon.

Ray Allen didnt show up at all in the 2008 series vs the Hawks, and has historically not shown up in the playoffs except for a few games in his Celtic career.

I dont get why you think Ray will all of the sudden be some huge scorer for the entire playoffs, he is a streak shooter, its a coin flip if hes going to have it for a series, and judging by how neither KG or PP had it for the first half, I wouldnt expect Ray after missing all this time to have it either.

This. I want Ray to be healthy and available and raining threes, but if my memory serves correctly, there hasn't been one playoff series in Ray's Celtics career in which he's been consistently good the whole series.

Finals 2008.

Where was he before the finals though? If I recall he was in the "biggest slump in NBA history"

[RajonRondo9Dime]

I'm tired of the anti Ray talk. I'm tired of the unrealistic expectations of a 21 year old kid.

Ray Allen's impact on this team is huge. Forget the LARGE number of huge shots he has hit over these past 5 years (and it's a very large number) the spacing, playing decoy, ect. ect. ect.

We need him. It literally bothers me to hear the negative talk about him. He has done nothing but help this franchise win. Even playing incredible defense in the playoffs over the years.

If Ray was playing tonight, we win, IMO. We didn't hit a single 3 pointer tonight. Bradley is going to be a fine player, but this stage is just flat out too big for him right now..

Walter Ray Allen, please get well soon.

Ray Allen didnt show up at all in the 2008 series vs the Hawks, and has historically not shown up in the playoffs except for a few games in his Celtic career.

I dont get why you think Ray will all of the sudden be some huge scorer for the entire playoffs, he is a streak shooter, its a coin flip if hes going to have it for a series, and judging by how neither KG or PP had it for the first half, I wouldnt expect Ray after missing all this time to have it either.

This. I want Ray to be healthy and available and raining threes, but if my memory serves correctly, there hasn't been one playoff series in Ray's Celtics career in which he's been consistently good the whole series.

Well, Bradley was pretty bad in game 1, so I guess we aren't going to get that consistency out of him, either.

The point is, this team needs all the help they can get. Terrible bench, no rebounding, god awful bench, young at the backup 5 and starting 2 guard, and did I mention a terrible, horrible, bench?

[thestackshow]

I'm tired of the anti Ray talk. I'm tired of the unrealistic expectations of a 21 year old kid.

Ray Allen's impact on this team is huge. Forget the LARGE number of huge shots he has hit over these past 5 years (and it's a very large number) the spacing, playing decoy, ect. ect. ect.

We need him. It literally bothers me to hear the negative talk about him. He has done nothing but help this franchise win. Even playing incredible defense in the playoffs over the years.

If Ray was playing tonight, we win, IMO. We didn't hit a single 3 pointer tonight. Bradley is going to be a fine player, but this stage is just flat out too big for him right now..

Walter Ray Allen, please get well soon.

Ray Allen didnt show up at all in the 2008 series vs the Hawks, and has historically not shown up in the playoffs except for a few games in his Celtic career.

I dont get why you think Ray will all of the sudden be some huge scorer for the entire playoffs, he is a streak shooter, its a coin flip if hes going to have it for a series, and judging by how neither KG or PP had it for the first half, I wouldnt expect Ray after missing all this time to have it either.

This. I want Ray to be healthy and available and raining threes, but if my memory serves correctly, there hasn't been one playoff series in Ray's Celtics career in which he's been consistently good the whole series.

Well, Bradley was pretty bad in game 1, so I guess we aren't going to get that consistency out of him, either.

The point is, this team needs all the help they can get. Terrible bench, no rebounding, god awful bench, young at the backup 5 and starting 2 guard, and did I mention a terrible, horrible, bench?

I give Bradley a pass, his first playoff game, I would be nervous too, remember they arent robots, they have emotions and they are human too just like you and me.

EVERYONE was bad in Game 1.

[RajonRondo9Dime]

I'm tired of the anti Ray talk. I'm tired of the unrealistic expectations of a 21 year old kid.

Ray Allen's impact on this team is huge. Forget the LARGE number of huge shots he has hit over these past 5 years (and it's a very large number) the spacing, playing decoy, ect. ect. ect.

We need him. It literally bothers me to hear the negative talk about him. He has done nothing but help this franchise win. Even playing incredible defense in the playoffs over the years.

If Ray was playing tonight, we win, IMO. We didn't hit a single 3 pointer tonight. Bradley is going to be a fine player, but this stage is just flat out too big for him right now..

Walter Ray Allen, please get well soon.

Ray Allen didnt show up at all in the 2008 series vs the Hawks, and has historically not shown up in the playoffs except for a few games in his Celtic career.

I dont get why you think Ray will all of the sudden be some huge scorer for the entire playoffs, he is a streak shooter, its a coin flip if hes going to have it for a series, and judging by how neither KG or PP had it for the first half, I wouldnt expect Ray after missing all this time to have it either.

This. I want Ray to be healthy and available and raining threes, but if my memory serves correctly, there hasn't been one playoff series in Ray's Celtics career in which he's been consistently good the whole series.

Well, Bradley was pretty bad in game 1, so I guess we aren't going to get that consistency out of him, either.

The point is, this team needs all the help they can get. Terrible bench, no rebounding, god awful bench, young at the backup 5 and starting 2 guard, and did I mention a terrible, horrible, bench?

I give Bradley a pass, his first playoff game, I would be nervous too, remember they arent robots, they have emotions and they are human too just like you and me.

EVERYONE was bad in Game 1.

True....

But do you honestly expect Avery to have a Ray Allen like performance...? No chance.

He may not have a game where he goes 1-9 from three, but he's also not going to go off and hit 3 in a row including the game winner.

[nickagneta]

here's the thing, I no longer expect Ray Allen to have a Ray Allen performance anymore because of the bone spurs in his foot. Remember why he had such a bad 2010 Finals! Artest injured his leg so bad that he couldn't get his shot to fall.

Well he's two years older, a half step slower and his foot is hurt so bad he can't get through his pre-game shooting drills. I therefore think adding Ray is probably not going to be a net positive performance wise for this team.

[colincb]

I'm tired of the anti Ray talk. I'm tired of the unrealistic expectations of a 21 year old kid.

Ray Allen's impact on this team is huge. Forget the LARGE number of huge shots he has hit over these past 5 years (and it's a very large number) the spacing, playing decoy, ect. ect. ect.

We need him. It literally bothers me to hear the negative talk about him. He has done nothing but help this franchise win. Even playing incredible defense in the playoffs over the years.

If Ray was playing tonight, we win, IMO. We didn't hit a single 3 pointer tonight. Bradley is going to be a fine player, but this stage is just flat out too big for him right now..

Walter Ray Allen, please get well soon.

Ray Allen didnt show up at all in the 2008 series vs the Hawks, and has historically not shown up in the playoffs except for a few games in his Celtic career.

I dont get why you think Ray will all of the sudden be some huge scorer for the entire playoffs, he is a streak shooter, its a coin flip if hes going to have it for a series, and judging by how neither KG or PP had it for the first half, I wouldnt expect Ray after missing all this time to have it either.

This. I want Ray to be healthy and available and raining threes, but if my memory serves correctly, there hasn't been one playoff series in Ray's Celtics career in which he's been consistently good the whole series.

Finals 2008.

Where was he before the finals though? If I recall he was in the "biggest slump in NBA history"

C'mon.  You said he didn't have one good series with the Cs in his whole career.  Now you're changing the question and claiming it's the biggest slump in NBA history. Are you serious?

There's nothing that happened here that has diminished his career and he's a HOF lock. He's had one very bad series since he's been here.  Every one of the Big 4 has. KG last year against MIA getting destroyed by CB, Pierce against the Cavs in 2010 where he managed to be second highest scorer just once the whole series while struggling to contain Lebron, Rondo against the Lakers in 2008 when many were calling for him to be benched after fading under the pressure in games 3-5, Ray vs the Cavs in 2008.  It's happened to all of them.

Ray had another good series in 2008 against ATL and was in the top 3 scorers 6 of 7 games. In the 2008 Finals he was arguably the MVP. He's destroyed the record for threes in a Finals series in 2008, shot a blistering 66% for his eFG (compared to Paul's 50%), was second highest scorer, and outplayed Kobe who was his match-up.

Too long ago to remember? Ray was in the top three scorers in 8 of 9 playoff games last season tied with Pierce again, top scorer a team-leading 3 times, and beat the Knicks with a last possession come-from-behind 3 pointer with 3 seconds left on the clock in game 1 breaking their little hearts once again.

Ray's been in the top scorer in 1 in every 4 playoff games since he's been a Celtic, second to Pierce, and he's been in the top three scorers in 2 of every 3 playoff games, again second only to Pierce.

[bostonman1]

Celtics COULD win an NBA title without Ray but it wouldn't be easy.  Unfortunately barring a miraculous turnaround it looks like we will all see this playoff run without Ray.  Even after another cortisone shot and plenty of rest he doesn't appear to be getting any better --- 

Doc said Ray Allen looked great yesterday and then he couldn't walk much today. "We just don’t know what to do."

So disappointing to hear this after hoping he was starting to improve enough to maybe contribute...

[mahonedog88]

great start to the half guys, seriously

[slamtheking]

I'm tired of the anti Ray talk. I'm tired of the unrealistic expectations of a 21 year old kid.

Ray Allen's impact on this team is huge. Forget the LARGE number of huge shots he has hit over these past 5 years (and it's a very large number) the spacing, playing decoy, ect. ect. ect.

We need him. It literally bothers me to hear the negative talk about him. He has done nothing but help this franchise win. Even playing incredible defense in the playoffs over the years.

If Ray was playing tonight, we win, IMO. We didn't hit a single 3 pointer tonight. Bradley is going to be a fine player, but this stage is just flat out too big for him right now..

Walter Ray Allen, please get well soon.

Ray Allen didnt show up at all in the 2008 series vs the Hawks, and has historically not shown up in the playoffs except for a few games in his Celtic career.

I dont get why you think Ray will all of the sudden be some huge scorer for the entire playoffs, he is a streak shooter, its a coin flip if hes going to have it for a series, and judging by how neither KG or PP had it for the first half, I wouldnt expect Ray after missing all this time to have it either.

This. I want Ray to be healthy and available and raining threes, but if my memory serves correctly, there hasn't been one playoff series in Ray's Celtics career in which he's been consistently good the whole series.

Finals 2008.

Where was he before the finals though? If I recall he was in the "biggest slump in NBA history"

C'mon.  You said he didn't have one good series with the Cs in his whole career.  Now you're changing the question and claiming it's the biggest slump in NBA history. Are you serious?

There's nothing that happened here that has diminished his career and he's a HOF lock. He's had one very bad series since he's been here.  Every one of the Big 4 has. KG last year against MIA getting destroyed by CB, Pierce against the Cavs in 2010 where he managed to be second highest scorer just once the whole series while struggling to contain Lebron, Rondo against the Lakers in 2008 when many were calling for him to be benched after fading under the pressure in games 3-5, Ray vs the Cavs in 2008.  It's happened to all of them.

Ray had another good series in 2008 against ATL and was in the top 3 scorers 6 of 7 games. In the 2008 Finals he was arguably the MVP. He's destroyed the record for threes in a Finals series in 2008, shot a blistering 66% for his eFG (compared to Paul's 50%), was second highest scorer, and outplayed Kobe who was his match-up.

Too long ago to remember? Ray was in the top three scorers in 8 of 9 playoff games last season tied with Pierce again, top scorer a team-leading 3 times, and beat the Knicks with a last possession come-from-behind 3 pointer with 3 seconds left on the clock in game 1 breaking their little hearts once again.

Ray's been in the top scorer in 1 in every 4 playoff games since he's been a Celtic, second to Pierce, and he's been in the top three scorers in 2 of every 3 playoff games, again second only to Pierce.

that's skewed though and not as impressive as you make it out to be. 

There was no KG in the 2009 run so the scoring was PP and Ray and not much else.  He should have been one of the top 2 scorers every game.  Fortunately Ray had a good playoff run that year. 

As for the other years, exactly who else would have been the big scorer on the team other than PP and KG?  no one.  Ray, who's primary skill is shooting, should have been in the top 3 scorers a lot more than just 2 out of 3 games, IMHO.