J.O.

[Fafnir]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

And it was confirmed by Danny Ainge, Jackie MacMullin, and numerous others in the know in the Boston Celtics scene. He deneied it when they told him flat out no.

The initial report was by Wojo and I don't recall it ever being confirmed by anyone else. Do you have any links or information where they confirmed it, because I just did a search and found nothing.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54609.15

This is the CBlog thread on the subject, also nothing like what you claim.

[Fafnir]

I can't find the support for your claims in the giant wall of copy and paste that you just put up, can you quote the relevant subsection?

[Tai]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

And it was confirmed by Danny Ainge, Jackie MacMullin, and numerous others in the know in the Boston Celtics scene. He deneied it when they told him flat out no.

Do you have a link?

[Fafnir]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

[CelticHooligan3]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

Im trying to find the conversation where it was discussed on weei. They went on a rant about it.

[CelticHooligan3]

http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/quickvid_danny_ainge_on_jermaine_oneal/10331854


This is the closest ive found so far. The actual conversation was much more in depth. They edited most of it. The guy who confirmed this story was filling in for felger and mazz with mark the "beattle" bertrand. I cant find that though. I dont know his name but hes known as the "mothership" or something?

[CelticHooligan3]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

If you'd like to defend JO thats fine. What i saw especially last season was a guy who came into camp out of shape. When he went down with that injury he wasted precious time that should have been used towards his recovery, by seeking out numerous doctors opinions who all told him the same thing. It was alluded to then, and i beleieve it to be true, that he was simply procrastinating. If you dont agree thats fine.

[Fafnir]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

If you'd like to defend JO thats fine. What i saw especially last season was a guy who came into camp out of shape. When he went down with that injury he wasted precious time that should have been used towards his recovery, by seeking out numerous doctors opinions who all told him the same thing. It was alluded to then, and i beleieve it to be true, that he was simply procrastinating. If you dont agree thats fine.

Calling you out for his play is reasonable, he was a massive disapointment for me too.

Calling him out for a rumor that didn't make a ton of sense and was never substantiated was what brought me into this conversation. Danny Ainge, Jackie Mac, and others never confirmed it, just didn't happen.

[CelticHooligan3]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

If you'd like to defend JO thats fine. What i saw especially last season was a guy who came into camp out of shape. When he went down with that injury he wasted precious time that should have been used towards his recovery, by seeking out numerous doctors opinions who all told him the same thing. It was alluded to then, and i beleieve it to be true, that he was simply procrastinating. If you dont agree thats fine.

Calling you out for his play is reasonable, he was a massive disapointment for me too.

Calling him out for a rumor that didn't make a ton of sense and was never substantiated was what brought me into this conversation. Danny Ainge, Jackie Mac, and others never confirmed it, just didn't happen.

Ok well we can agree to disagree fafnir. Even from that small clip that was highly edited (because i watched the whole thing at the time) you can tell Danny and Jackie are clearly annoyed and or upset with Jermaine and how he handled himself here.

You can stick to your theory that because he was on the Celtics he gave his best every year to be in shape and heroically fight through his littany of injuries. Ill pass on those theories. Ill also pass on your contention that elbowing someone in the head causing a concussion is worth a seven game suspension if not less.

[CelticHooligan3]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

And let's be real here fafnir. The only real opinions of this guy that matters are his peers who had to work side by side with him. And the jury is out. They didnt like him. Read what you will into that. To me it tells the whole story. If the organization's stance on the matter is that he "stole" from them then i really dont see where you can come off debating that fact. Or maybe your secretly Danny Ainge living in Omaha. In that case preach on Danny! You know more than us all!

[Celtics4ever]

Heartless, comes to mind when I think of JO.  He was a great pro at one time but noodle knees for us.

[Fafnir]

Ok well we can agree to disagree fafnir. Even from that small clip that was highly edited (because i watched the whole thing at the time) you can tell Danny and Jackie are clearly annoyed and or upset with Jermaine and how he handled himself here.

Annoyed with a player doesn't equal confirming a very specific rumor. The confirmation you claimed occured, never happened on the video you posted and doesn't appear anywhere else. Such a confirmation would have been HUGE news, so my conclusion is that it never happened

You can stick to your theory that because he was on the Celtics he gave his best every year to be in shape and heroically fight through his littany of injuries. Ill pass on those theories.

I never said any of that, not here and not in any other thread. This is something else that did not happen.

Ill also pass on your contention that elbowing someone in the head causing a concussion is worth a seven game suspension if not less.

OT but if you read the Metta Elbow thread I said 10 games would be the minimum I wanted and could easily see it being 18 similar to Melo's for throwing a punch. I only took issue with your position that he should be banned from the league permanently. I don't think his actions warranted such a severe penalty. For the third time something that didn't happen.

And let's be real here fafnir. The only real opinions of this guy that matters are his peers who had to work side by side with him. And the jury is out. They didnt like him. Read what you will into that. To me it tells the whole story. If the organization's stance on the matter is that he "stole" from them then i really dont see where you can come off debating that fact. Or maybe your secretly Danny Ainge living in Omaha. In that case preach on Danny! You know more than us all!

Let me be frank, I'm not a O'Neal fan. I think he was an injured disappointment who didn't give the C's what they needed from a big man. That's not where I'm disagreeing with you.

Where I'm disagreeing with you is where you have said things that never happened occured to support your original point about the Heat rumor. I don't think the Heat rumor was true, I think O'Neal was just physically done as a player.

Beyond that, you are clearly taking this disagreement personally so we should end this conversation.

[Yogi]

Why is there such a strong need to scapegoat someone?  Do people just not like Jermaine because of his past and find him an easy target or something?  Blaming a guy because he's injured is like saying KG was a 20 million dollar waste of space who stole money from us in 2009.  Players get injured.  I'm not a JO fan or anything, in fact I didn't like him all that much when we played against him in 2010.  But the guy played hard every second he was on the floor.  He missed shots but he had a useless wrist.  He was in great shape this year and he was dunking, blocking shots, and taking charges left and right.  He absolutely couldn't shoot the ball because of his wrist.  He took a chance to try and play to end his career on his own terms, unfortunately it just didn't work out.

[CelticHooligan3]

Relaxe faf. Its all in good fun right? Seems to me we might get different Celtics news here in the Boston market that might be slightly different than in Omaha Nebraska. As i said before the video was cut and highly edited to a small blurb. I watched the whole show and it was much more in depth.

The way i see it is that the Celtics are a classy organization. They do their best to keep all matters internal. Regardless of whether JO deserved it or not they werent gonna go out of their way to throw him under the bus. But i stand by the point that if your organization and teammates hate you then that problem lies within that specific player. Where theres smoke theres fire buddy.

[Chris]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

And let's be real here fafnir. The only real opinions of this guy that matters are his peers who had to work side by side with him. And the jury is out. They didnt like him. Read what you will into that. To me it tells the whole story. If the organization's stance on the matter is that he "stole" from them then i really dont see where you can come off debating that fact. Or maybe your secretly Danny Ainge living in Omaha. In that case preach on Danny! You know more than us all!

From everything I have heard, JO is one of the more well liked guys in the lockerroom.  I understand you think otherwise, but lets not make it sound like its a well known fact that JO was not liked, because it is by no means a fact, and there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.

I also heard interviews with Danny and Doc since the trade deadline, where they both spoke glowingly about JO, and didn't seem to have any personal problems with him.