J.O.

[CelticHooligan3]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

And let's be real here fafnir. The only real opinions of this guy that matters are his peers who had to work side by side with him. And the jury is out. They didnt like him. Read what you will into that. To me it tells the whole story. If the organization's stance on the matter is that he "stole" from them then i really dont see where you can come off debating that fact. Or maybe your secretly Danny Ainge living in Omaha. In that case preach on Danny! You know more than us all!

From everything I have heard, JO is one of the more well liked guys in the lockerroom.  I understand you think otherwise, but lets not make it sound like its a well known fact that JO was not liked, because it is by no means a fact, and there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.

I also heard interviews with Danny and Doc since the trade deadline, where they both spoke glowingly about JO, and didn't seem to have any personal problems with him.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/04/simmons-celtics-players-did-not-like-jermaine-oneal.html


To me the comment from the Pacers fan at the top sums it up.

[Chris]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

And let's be real here fafnir. The only real opinions of this guy that matters are his peers who had to work side by side with him. And the jury is out. They didnt like him. Read what you will into that. To me it tells the whole story. If the organization's stance on the matter is that he "stole" from them then i really dont see where you can come off debating that fact. Or maybe your secretly Danny Ainge living in Omaha. In that case preach on Danny! You know more than us all!

From everything I have heard, JO is one of the more well liked guys in the lockerroom.  I understand you think otherwise, but lets not make it sound like its a well known fact that JO was not liked, because it is by no means a fact, and there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.

I also heard interviews with Danny and Doc since the trade deadline, where they both spoke glowingly about JO, and didn't seem to have any personal problems with him.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/04/simmons-celtics-players-did-not-like-jermaine-oneal.html


To me the comment from the Pacers fan at the top sums it up.

Bill Simmons is about as credible as you or me when it comes to this stuff.  He makes stuff up to support his opinion and get articles out of it. 

I don't doubt the fact that other players and management were frustrated with JO's injury problems, and low tolerance for pain, but that is very different from not liking him.  By most accounts I have heard, he is a very likable person, and is well respected around the league.  Perhaps not for his on the court play, but in the lockerrooms.

[CelticHooligan3]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

And let's be real here fafnir. The only real opinions of this guy that matters are his peers who had to work side by side with him. And the jury is out. They didnt like him. Read what you will into that. To me it tells the whole story. If the organization's stance on the matter is that he "stole" from them then i really dont see where you can come off debating that fact. Or maybe your secretly Danny Ainge living in Omaha. In that case preach on Danny! You know more than us all!

From everything I have heard, JO is one of the more well liked guys in the lockerroom.  I understand you think otherwise, but lets not make it sound like its a well known fact that JO was not liked, because it is by no means a fact, and there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.

I also heard interviews with Danny and Doc since the trade deadline, where they both spoke glowingly about JO, and didn't seem to have any personal problems with him.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/04/simmons-celtics-players-did-not-like-jermaine-oneal.html


To me the comment from the Pacers fan at the top sums it up.

Bill Simmons is about as credible as you or me when it comes to this stuff.  He makes stuff up to support his opinion and get articles out of it. 

I don't doubt the fact that other players and management were frustrated with JO's injury problems, and low tolerance for pain, but that is very different from not liking him.  By most accounts I have heard, he is a very likable person, and is well respected around the league.  Perhaps not for his on the court play, but in the lockerrooms.

http://thebostonjam.com/2012/03/15/jermaine-oneal-wants-a-buyout-so-he-can-join-the-heat/


Is Adrian Wojnarowski an uncredible source as well? Because ive always heard the opposite. He's more than credible.

[Chris]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

And let's be real here fafnir. The only real opinions of this guy that matters are his peers who had to work side by side with him. And the jury is out. They didnt like him. Read what you will into that. To me it tells the whole story. If the organization's stance on the matter is that he "stole" from them then i really dont see where you can come off debating that fact. Or maybe your secretly Danny Ainge living in Omaha. In that case preach on Danny! You know more than us all!

From everything I have heard, JO is one of the more well liked guys in the lockerroom.  I understand you think otherwise, but lets not make it sound like its a well known fact that JO was not liked, because it is by no means a fact, and there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.

I also heard interviews with Danny and Doc since the trade deadline, where they both spoke glowingly about JO, and didn't seem to have any personal problems with him.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/04/simmons-celtics-players-did-not-like-jermaine-oneal.html


To me the comment from the Pacers fan at the top sums it up.

Bill Simmons is about as credible as you or me when it comes to this stuff.  He makes stuff up to support his opinion and get articles out of it. 

I don't doubt the fact that other players and management were frustrated with JO's injury problems, and low tolerance for pain, but that is very different from not liking him.  By most accounts I have heard, he is a very likable person, and is well respected around the league.  Perhaps not for his on the court play, but in the lockerrooms.

http://thebostonjam.com/2012/03/15/jermaine-oneal-wants-a-buyout-so-he-can-join-the-heat/


Is Adrian Wojnarowski an uncredible source as well? Because ive always heard the opposite. He's more than credible.

First of all, Wojo is only as good as his source, and while I do respect him, his sources do not mean it is true.

But more importantly, where does it say teammates or management don't like him?  The only thing Wojo said was that his sources have told him JO is interested in a buyout, and would try to go to the Heat if he is bought out. 

I was never talking about him going to the Heat, I am just talking about the fact that he is a very well liked guy in the lockerroom.

[CelticHooligan3]

http://www.celticstown.com/2012/04/13/the-celtics-really-dislike-jermaine-oneal-according-to-bill-simmons/

Okay that's the link from Celticstown, nothing in there about the Heat rumor.

And let's be real here fafnir. The only real opinions of this guy that matters are his peers who had to work side by side with him. And the jury is out. They didnt like him. Read what you will into that. To me it tells the whole story. If the organization's stance on the matter is that he "stole" from them then i really dont see where you can come off debating that fact. Or maybe your secretly Danny Ainge living in Omaha. In that case preach on Danny! You know more than us all!

From everything I have heard, JO is one of the more well liked guys in the lockerroom.  I understand you think otherwise, but lets not make it sound like its a well known fact that JO was not liked, because it is by no means a fact, and there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.

I also heard interviews with Danny and Doc since the trade deadline, where they both spoke glowingly about JO, and didn't seem to have any personal problems with him.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/04/simmons-celtics-players-did-not-like-jermaine-oneal.html


To me the comment from the Pacers fan at the top sums it up.

Bill Simmons is about as credible as you or me when it comes to this stuff.  He makes stuff up to support his opinion and get articles out of it. 

I don't doubt the fact that other players and management were frustrated with JO's injury problems, and low tolerance for pain, but that is very different from not liking him.  By most accounts I have heard, he is a very likable person, and is well respected around the league.  Perhaps not for his on the court play, but in the lockerrooms.

http://thebostonjam.com/2012/03/15/jermaine-oneal-wants-a-buyout-so-he-can-join-the-heat/


Is Adrian Wojnarowski an uncredible source as well? Because ive always heard the opposite. He's more than credible.

First of all, Wojo is only as good as his source, and while I do respect him, his sources do not mean it is true.

But more importantly, where does it say teammates or management don't like him?  The only thing Wojo said was that his sources have told him JO is interested in a buyout, and would try to go to the Heat if he is bought out. 

I was never talking about him going to the Heat, I am just talking about the fact that he is a very well liked guy in the lockerroom.

http://www.celticstown.com/2010/11/09/jermaine-oneals-curious-procedure/

The Yardbarker article was the one that said he was not liked by his teammates or management who said he essentially stole 20 mil from the team. This article right here is just an example of jermaine not communicating with the team what his timetable was or should have been for just another varying in severity "injury".

[Chris]

http://www.celticstown.com/2010/11/09/jermaine-oneals-curious-procedure/

The Yardbarker article was the one that said he was not liked by his teammates or management who said he essentially stole 20 mil from the team. This article right here is just an example of jermaine not communicating with the team what his timetable was or should have been for just another varying in severity "injury".

Wha??? You completely lost me here.

The Yardbarker article was a secondhand account of a Bill Simmons article, with nothing to back it up.  Like I said before, Simmons makes stuff up to support his point.  He always has, and he always will.

This one is just a blogger putting random quotes that are out of context, into a context to make it sound like Ainge does not know what is going on with a player he is paying (which I 100% guarantee you is NOT the case).

So again, you can absolutely believe that he is not liked by his teammates.  It is a reasonable opinion.  But just to make it 1000% clear, it is just an opinion, and is absolutely not a fact, or even an incredibly well supported theory.

[CelticHooligan3]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/03/jermaine-wants-a-buyout-to-go-play-in-miami.html


To be fair chris this is how this all started. So the links i posted should clarify my stance thats all.

[Chris]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/03/jermaine-wants-a-buyout-to-go-play-in-miami.html


To be fair chris this is how this all started. So the links i posted should clarify my stance thats all.

I just think you are missing my point.

All I am saying is that it is not a fact, nor is it even a widely held opinion that JO is disliked by his teammates. 

I am not going to debate trade or buyout rumors, because debating that stuff is pointless. 

I was never trying to enter into an argument you are having with someone else, I just was disputing the one point, where you suggested he was disliked by his teammates.  It is my opinion that this is something that was completely fabricated by Bill Simmons.

[CelticHooligan3]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/03/jermaine-wants-a-buyout-to-go-play-in-miami.html


To be fair chris this is how this all started. So the links i posted should clarify my stance thats all.

I just think you are missing my point.

All I am saying is that it is not a fact, nor is it even a widely held opinion that JO is disliked by his teammates. 

I am not going to debate trade or buyout rumors, because debating that stuff is pointless. 

I was never trying to enter into an argument you are having with someone else, I just was disputing the one point, where you suggested he was disliked by his teammates.  It is my opinion that this is something that was completely fabricated by Bill Simmons.

I understand that. I disagree however. I think he is hated by his teammates and management alike because he mailed it in. I see a tendency of the mods on this site to blindly jump to each others aid regardless of the subject or nature. This could or could not be the case in this situation but ive experinced first hand in dif threads. It just gets old after a while and i know quite a few other posters  on here who know exactly what im talking about. If im defensive theres a reason for it.

[Chris]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/03/jermaine-wants-a-buyout-to-go-play-in-miami.html


To be fair chris this is how this all started. So the links i posted should clarify my stance thats all.

I just think you are missing my point.

All I am saying is that it is not a fact, nor is it even a widely held opinion that JO is disliked by his teammates. 

I am not going to debate trade or buyout rumors, because debating that stuff is pointless. 

I was never trying to enter into an argument you are having with someone else, I just was disputing the one point, where you suggested he was disliked by his teammates.  It is my opinion that this is something that was completely fabricated by Bill Simmons.

I understand that. I disagree however. I think he is hated by his teammates and management alike because he mailed it in. I see a tendency of the mods on this site to blindly jump to each others aid regardless of the subject or nature. This could or could not be the case in this situation but ive experinced first hand in dif threads. It just gets old after a while and i know quite a few other posters  on here who know exactly what im talking about. If im defensive theres a reason for it.

For the record, I could care less who you are arguing with.  I don't come to anyone's aid.  Fafnir is more than capable of arguing his own side.  I just thought you were going over the top in your argument. 

...and I hate when Bill Simmons makes stuff up, and people take it as fact.  He does it way too often, and it is a plague on sports blogs everywhere!

[Tai]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/03/jermaine-wants-a-buyout-to-go-play-in-miami.html


To be fair chris this is how this all started. So the links i posted should clarify my stance thats all.

I just think you are missing my point.

All I am saying is that it is not a fact, nor is it even a widely held opinion that JO is disliked by his teammates. 

I am not going to debate trade or buyout rumors, because debating that stuff is pointless. 

I was never trying to enter into an argument you are having with someone else, I just was disputing the one point, where you suggested he was disliked by his teammates.  It is my opinion that this is something that was completely fabricated by Bill Simmons.

I understand that. I disagree however. I think he is hated by his teammates and management alike because he mailed it in. I see a tendency of the mods on this site to blindly jump to each others aid regardless of the subject or nature. This could or could not be the case in this situation but ive experinced first hand in dif threads. It just gets old after a while and i know quite a few other posters  on here who know exactly what im talking about. If im defensive theres a reason for it.

I don't believe I'm a mod, and you've seen me disagree with you and Finsleyhook more than enough times on whether J.O. just wanted to collect a paycheck or if he was legitimately injured. So, how did you come to the conclusion that mods teaming up on you was happening in THIS topic? Am I really the only non-mod who disagrees with you?

[CelticHooligan3]

No one is gonna comment on how this guy asked for a buyout so that he could rejoin the Heat in the postseason? This guy is the biggest injury milker in the history of the sport. Hes an absolute disgrace and im ashamed he wore a Celtics jersey.

That report was denied by him immediately and personally, what makes you think it was true?

Considering he had season ending surgery not long after that report I doubt he could play for anyone.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2012/03/jermaine-wants-a-buyout-to-go-play-in-miami.html


To be fair chris this is how this all started. So the links i posted should clarify my stance thats all.

I just think you are missing my point.

All I am saying is that it is not a fact, nor is it even a widely held opinion that JO is disliked by his teammates. 

I am not going to debate trade or buyout rumors, because debating that stuff is pointless. 

I was never trying to enter into an argument you are having with someone else, I just was disputing the one point, where you suggested he was disliked by his teammates.  It is my opinion that this is something that was completely fabricated by Bill Simmons.

I understand that. I disagree however. I think he is hated by his teammates and management alike because he mailed it in. I see a tendency of the mods on this site to blindly jump to each others aid regardless of the subject or nature. This could or could not be the case in this situation but ive experinced first hand in dif threads. It just gets old after a while and i know quite a few other posters  on here who know exactly what im talking about. If im defensive theres a reason for it.

I don't believe I'm a mod, and you've seen me disagree with you and Finsleyhook more than enough times on whether J.O. just wanted to collect a paycheck or if he was legitimately injured. So, how did you come to the conclusion that mods teaming up on you was happening in THIS topic? Am I really the only non-mod who disagrees with you?

Nope im sure theres quite a few none mods who disagree with me. There may be some who agree. I was more or less referring to the metta world piece thread (and a few others) where Fafnir seemed to have a bone to pick with me as well. And today he jumped at the first opportunity to call me out. I saw a pattern so i said something. Is that ok with you? Because somehow you seem offended.

Ill also say fafnir and chris have made some very solid interesting points and counter arguements. I may not agree with every single one but i will also not completely overlook them either. I was simply stating that there seems to be a cliqueishness to jump to a buddys aid amongst some of the mods at the first sign of a disagreement.

[CelticHooligan3]

Ill also add that ive posted quite a few links to backup my assertions. Where are the links to the contrary saying hes a great teammate post trade deadline? Where are the posts saying he was a warrior always willing to gut it out? I havent seen them yet. When i do i will gladly stand corrected.

I think he's a guy that wasted a lot of this organizations money and a roster spot by coming up with every excuse in the book to not play. If thats not the case why did he search out numerous opinions from doctors last year when they all were telling him the same thing. Just get the surgery. All you have to do is read the articles about the guy to get the big picture. Its not that hard. In my book he's a con artist. And i hated the signing from the beginning.

[Celtics4ever]

They got rid of him so it must not have been all peaches folks.

[the_Bird]

They got rid of him so it must not have been all peaches folks.

They got rid of him because he couldn't play, and they wanted the roster spot to take a flyer on/give an extended tryout to Sean Williams.  

The fact that he was waived is completely meaningless in terms of whether he was liked or respected by his teammates and the organization.