Ray Allen feels "slighted"

[elcotte]

I wouldnt trust Donny mArshall as far as i could throw him.

Me neither. He tries to play insider but he's just not very smart. A few months ago, he was hinting that Rondo was going out west in a trade. He's just a wanna-be.

[Celtics4ever]

Uh Ray's just human like everyone else.  And do you know him personally to even make an educated opinion here?  I'm sure at least 95%+ of people would not be happy about almost being traded from a place where you have openly said you wanted to stay, and by being demoted to second string. 

Goes both ways though bud, of course, I don't know him and you don't either.   So you don't know he said it either.  If your going to have a cow and hold me to such standards to a blog post then apply them to yourself too, bud.   Ray Allen is in 4% in talent and work ethic.  He cares about his public image.  He has always been a classy professional so why would change now?

 In fact, Ray volunteered for it.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/4/9/2935566/ray-allen-volunteered-for-6th-man-job-that-he-doesnt-really-want

A lot of these guys have ego that you could not believe.  They all think they are the "man" or they would not be there.  Some guys are team first.   Ray has taken less shots and a lesser role since he has been here without griping. It is hard to argue against winning games and it working no matter what the ego.

Doc likes it so that is how it is going to be.  I think RA mom would speak if they didn't like it.  She does not seem like someone who keep silent to me.  Of course, I don't know her.

Donny is horrible.

[Bankshot]

According to this report
Mayo didn't want to play for Celtics
http://www.necn.com/04/19/12/Mayo-on-Celtics-I-dont-care-about-the-ba/landing_sports.html?blockID=692434&feedID=3352

I thought I read on this site a while ago that OJ Mayo wanted to play with Rondo?  I'm confused.

[CelticHooligan3]

According to this report
Mayo didn't want to play for Celtics
http://www.necn.com/04/19/12/Mayo-on-Celtics-I-dont-care-about-the-ba/landing_sports.html?blockID=692434&feedID=3352

I thought I read on this site a while ago that OJ Mayo wanted to play with Rondo?  I'm confused.

Ya, i remember reading the same thing. If it's true that mayo was the one that nixed the deal because he only cares about money i hope he blows some more green in a dice game to old friend Tony Allen and gets put in his place again. Getting beat up at 30,000 feet in front of all your teammates and coaches is embarassing and i imagine his rank in the teams pecking order has to be pretty low. Gimme an alpha dog, not a gamma. Ray ray it is then.

[jdz101]

Of course he would - can't think of any player in his situation who wouldn't feel slighted...to put it nicely.

If he had played good enough basketball throughout the year there is a fair chance that none of this stuff even occurs. It all comes down to how a player performs on the court. If you are getting paid and not playing well enough, management has every right to try and trade you.

Ray can't be miffed about being traded after how he's played this year.

Article has no truth to it anyway.

[Chris]

Not to say Washburn is a poor columnist (OK, he is a poor columnist), but he is taking a lot of liberties here with some public statements from Doc, and not much else.  And one thing about public statements when it concerns in-house issues, and trades that didn't happen...you need to take all of them with a grain of salt. 

I guarantee there is a whole lot of VERY important information that was not disclosed in all of this for a reason, and that is the key information in writing a story like this.  And this is the difference between a good columnist and a hack who just wants to create a stir.  A good columnist either has some legit inside information, or he/she is clear that he is just giving an opinion.  Washburn presents this as if he has inside information, but when you read the article it is clear that he just listens to WEEI. 

I do think he is right about one thing though.  Ray is most likely gone this offseason.  But I think he was gone even before the trade deadline.  He is the obvious guy to replace from this core, and there are other teams who will prize him more (and pay him more), and offer him a starting spot.  If Ray were to come back, it would only be because he simply doesn't want to move, because Danny wouldn't pay market value for him this summer.  So, this is his farewell tour in Boston.  And I just hope he can go out with class without hack columnists trying to spin it into a bad situation.

[nickagneta]

From an article in the Herald this morning that actually quotes Ray Allen:

“For all of us, you deal with that over the course of your career, but wherever I end up after this summer, that has to be the No. 1 mandate. At this time I owe it to my family to be ultimately selfish, because I’ve been a very unselfish team player, and I’ll always do that. But when it comes to myself and my family, I have to make sure that I don’t rock their worlds or put them off kilter in any fashion.”

His basketball role is changing. For the first time in his career, Allen is a sixth man. Soreness and swelling in his right ankle hasn’t helped the transition. And his family role is actually accelerating. Tierra, his 19-year-old daughter, is a freshman at Quinnipiac University. His wife, Shannon, just gave birth to their fourth son, Wynstan, on Jan. 25. Sons Walter Ray III, Walker and Wynn are 8, 5 and 2, respectively. Allen grew up in a military family and is accustomed to moving around the world. He’s confident that he can uproot this teeming group if necessary.

He’s ready to pack up the wagon because he’s not ready to retire.

“It’s hard to say,” Allen said of whether he remains a Celtic. “The landscape always changes over the summer. Just from what I see around the NBA, there’s a lot of teams that look forward to having me. I just want to be somewhere where I’m valued, cherished and I can go out and play.

“By no means do I feel tired, or one foot in and one foot out. I attack it that way knowing that every day I can play, I can play 40 minutes, and I want to give that to whatever team I play for. The instant I feel I can’t do that is when I retire. And I’ll know it when it happens. But I don’t now.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20220420future_still_bright_if_not_greenfor_ray_allen_celts_guard_knows_family_career_goals_may_take_him_elsewhere/

[Chris]

From an article in the Herald this morning that actually quotes Ray Allen:

“For all of us, you deal with that over the course of your career, but wherever I end up after this summer, that has to be the No. 1 mandate. At this time I owe it to my family to be ultimately selfish, because I’ve been a very unselfish team player, and I’ll always do that. But when it comes to myself and my family, I have to make sure that I don’t rock their worlds or put them off kilter in any fashion.”

His basketball role is changing. For the first time in his career, Allen is a sixth man. Soreness and swelling in his right ankle hasn’t helped the transition. And his family role is actually accelerating. Tierra, his 19-year-old daughter, is a freshman at Quinnipiac University. His wife, Shannon, just gave birth to their fourth son, Wynstan, on Jan. 25. Sons Walter Ray III, Walker and Wynn are 8, 5 and 2, respectively. Allen grew up in a military family and is accustomed to moving around the world. He’s confident that he can uproot this teeming group if necessary.

He’s ready to pack up the wagon because he’s not ready to retire.

“It’s hard to say,” Allen said of whether he remains a Celtic. “The landscape always changes over the summer. Just from what I see around the NBA, there’s a lot of teams that look forward to having me. I just want to be somewhere where I’m valued, cherished and I can go out and play.

“By no means do I feel tired, or one foot in and one foot out. I attack it that way knowing that every day I can play, I can play 40 minutes, and I want to give that to whatever team I play for. The instant I feel I can’t do that is when I retire. And I’ll know it when it happens. But I don’t now.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20220420future_still_bright_if_not_greenfor_ray_allen_celts_guard_knows_family_career_goals_may_take_him_elsewhere/

Thanks for posting that.  I don't think he is a guy who feels "slighted" or that the team has treated him badly.  I just get the feeling that he has realized his time has passed with the C's. 

I will say though, I am very afraid that he is going to shut down the ankle.  If it doesn't get better, and needs surgery, I could see him deciding not to play through the pain, and just shutting it down, so he can be healthy next season. 

It is one thing to run through a brick wall for a team that is fully committed to you longterm, but it is another to do it for a team who has been respectful, but has also made it increasingly clear he is not in their longterm plans, at least in the position he feels he belongs.

[letsgoblue86]

From an article in the Herald this morning that actually quotes Ray Allen:

“For all of us, you deal with that over the course of your career, but wherever I end up after this summer, that has to be the No. 1 mandate. At this time I owe it to my family to be ultimately selfish, because I’ve been a very unselfish team player, and I’ll always do that. But when it comes to myself and my family, I have to make sure that I don’t rock their worlds or put them off kilter in any fashion.”

His basketball role is changing. For the first time in his career, Allen is a sixth man. Soreness and swelling in his right ankle hasn’t helped the transition. And his family role is actually accelerating. Tierra, his 19-year-old daughter, is a freshman at Quinnipiac University. His wife, Shannon, just gave birth to their fourth son, Wynstan, on Jan. 25. Sons Walter Ray III, Walker and Wynn are 8, 5 and 2, respectively. Allen grew up in a military family and is accustomed to moving around the world. He’s confident that he can uproot this teeming group if necessary.

He’s ready to pack up the wagon because he’s not ready to retire.

“It’s hard to say,” Allen said of whether he remains a Celtic. “The landscape always changes over the summer. Just from what I see around the NBA, there’s a lot of teams that look forward to having me. I just want to be somewhere where I’m valued, cherished and I can go out and play.

“By no means do I feel tired, or one foot in and one foot out. I attack it that way knowing that every day I can play, I can play 40 minutes, and I want to give that to whatever team I play for. The instant I feel I can’t do that is when I retire. And I’ll know it when it happens. But I don’t now.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20220420future_still_bright_if_not_greenfor_ray_allen_celts_guard_knows_family_career_goals_may_take_him_elsewhere/

Thanks for posting that.  I don't think he is a guy who feels "slighted" or that the team has treated him badly.  I just get the feeling that he has realized his time has passed with the C's. 

I will say though, I am very afraid that he is going to shut down the ankle.  If it doesn't get better, and needs surgery, I could see him deciding not to play through the pain, and just shutting it down, so he can be healthy next season. 

It is one thing to run through a brick wall for a team that is fully committed to you longterm, but it is another to do it for a team who has been respectful, but has also made it increasingly clear he is not in their longterm plans, at least in the position he feels he belongs.

I love Ray, but seriously, he is expecting too much at this point.  He will be 37 next year and who knows in what condition his ankle will be.

Even when he was healthy this year his performance had dropped.  I mean he can't even create his own shot anymore or get to the basket.  Why should we pay him 10 million dollars so he can MAYBE shoot 5 threes a game.

And concerning his recent move to the bench, unfortunately because of his ankle he hasn't gotten to play much, but he's gotten more shots coming off the bench.  But he's not even healthy enough to play at this point, so why throw him more money.

Tell you what Ray, if you return this year and help get us banner 18, then maybe the C's will give you what you want.

[Chris]

From an article in the Herald this morning that actually quotes Ray Allen:

“For all of us, you deal with that over the course of your career, but wherever I end up after this summer, that has to be the No. 1 mandate. At this time I owe it to my family to be ultimately selfish, because I’ve been a very unselfish team player, and I’ll always do that. But when it comes to myself and my family, I have to make sure that I don’t rock their worlds or put them off kilter in any fashion.”

His basketball role is changing. For the first time in his career, Allen is a sixth man. Soreness and swelling in his right ankle hasn’t helped the transition. And his family role is actually accelerating. Tierra, his 19-year-old daughter, is a freshman at Quinnipiac University. His wife, Shannon, just gave birth to their fourth son, Wynstan, on Jan. 25. Sons Walter Ray III, Walker and Wynn are 8, 5 and 2, respectively. Allen grew up in a military family and is accustomed to moving around the world. He’s confident that he can uproot this teeming group if necessary.

He’s ready to pack up the wagon because he’s not ready to retire.

“It’s hard to say,” Allen said of whether he remains a Celtic. “The landscape always changes over the summer. Just from what I see around the NBA, there’s a lot of teams that look forward to having me. I just want to be somewhere where I’m valued, cherished and I can go out and play.

“By no means do I feel tired, or one foot in and one foot out. I attack it that way knowing that every day I can play, I can play 40 minutes, and I want to give that to whatever team I play for. The instant I feel I can’t do that is when I retire. And I’ll know it when it happens. But I don’t now.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20220420future_still_bright_if_not_greenfor_ray_allen_celts_guard_knows_family_career_goals_may_take_him_elsewhere/

Thanks for posting that.  I don't think he is a guy who feels "slighted" or that the team has treated him badly.  I just get the feeling that he has realized his time has passed with the C's. 

I will say though, I am very afraid that he is going to shut down the ankle.  If it doesn't get better, and needs surgery, I could see him deciding not to play through the pain, and just shutting it down, so he can be healthy next season. 

It is one thing to run through a brick wall for a team that is fully committed to you longterm, but it is another to do it for a team who has been respectful, but has also made it increasingly clear he is not in their longterm plans, at least in the position he feels he belongs.

I love Ray, but seriously, he is expecting too much at this point.  He will be 37 next year and who knows in what condition his ankle will be.

Even when he was healthy this year his performance had dropped.  I mean he can't even create his own shot anymore or get to the basket.  Why should we pay him 10 million dollars so he can MAYBE shoot 5 threes a game.

And concerning his recent move to the bench, unfortunately because of his ankle he hasn't gotten to play much, but he's gotten more shots coming off the bench.  But he's not even healthy enough to play at this point, so why throw him more money.

Tell you what Ray, if you return this year and help get us banner 18, then maybe the C's will give you what you want.

I don't think he is expecting anything.  I think Doc (and Danny) have been straight up with him.  Which is why he has one foot out the door.

He knows that the C's are not going to pay him market value, and give him the starting job next year.  But he also knows that there are a bunch of other teams that will give him at least one, if not both of those things.

The Bulls and Clippers just to name a couple contenders will both be offering full MLE deals for maybe as much as 3 years, and a starting position on a championship contender, and will also try to work out sign and trades to give him more. 

[alajet]

Mayo seems like the kind of guy who wants to go a team that will both start him and give him a big contract.  The Celtics are not and should not be that sort of team.

Name me such a stupid team to do so. I bet even GSW or NJN won't do it.

[Chris]

Mayo seems like the kind of guy who wants to go a team that will both start him and give him a big contract.  The Celtics are not and should not be that sort of team.

Name me such a stupid team to do so. I bet even GSW or NJN won't do it.

I bet the Magic would, if Howard wants them to. 

[alajet]

Mayo seems like the kind of guy who wants to go a team that will both start him and give him a big contract.  The Celtics are not and should not be that sort of team.

Name me such a stupid team to do so. I bet even GSW or NJN won't do it.

I bet the Magic would, if Howard wants them to. 

If Howard wanted Craig Sager as his coach, Magic could do it.
You know what, I've just put this joke aside for a moment and gave it a serious thought. It may actually happen, as far as Howard's professionalism considered.

[MBunge]

He knows that the C's are not going to pay him market value

I suspect Ainge would be happy to pay Ray his market value.  Ray is still a great shooter and can carry a team for a quarter when he gets hot.  However, he can't get his own shot anymore and doesn't really do anything else on the court consistently.  The only team that might outbid Boston for Ray would be a title contender who desperately needs a back-up shooting guard, so it's basically the Clippers or nobody.

Mike

[Chris]

He knows that the C's are not going to pay him market value

I suspect Ainge would be happy to pay Ray his market value.  Ray is still a great shooter and can carry a team for a quarter when he gets hot.  However, he can't get his own shot anymore and doesn't really do anything else on the court consistently.  The only team that might outbid Boston for Ray would be a title contender who desperately needs a back-up shooting guard, so it's basically the Clippers or nobody.

Mike

He would be a starter for several contenders right now.  In fact, he would be a starter for the C's, if it wasn't a fit with Bradley starting and him coming off the bench.

The bottom of Ray's market will be the full MLE, and he can probably get 8-10 million on a short deal (at least), if Danny plays along via sign and trades (which he will be open to).

I just think Danny will have that money earmarked for other players, and unless Ray comes back for a bargain, I think Danny will go another way.