Jeff Green>Josh Smith

[hwangjini_1]

Rajon Rondo
Jeff Green
Avery Bradley
Brandon Bass
Greg Stiemsma
2 first round picks
JaJuan Johnson

Future not so bleak after all. By the way, Pierce has two more years in his deal, and KG going to re-signed. Celtics roster next will be the best ever since Larry Bird era.

Let's add Chris "Big Willie" Wilcox and the Vengeful Otter.

 I'd like to bring Doc's Pavlovic dog back as well.  The Dr. says, "play defense Sasha and you get a reward."  Sasha learns that playing defense brings positive reinforcement.  Sasha keeps playing defense.

I give up. Who or what is the vengeful otter?

[Celtics18]

Rajon Rondo
Jeff Green
Avery Bradley
Brandon Bass
Greg Stiemsma
2 first round picks
JaJuan Johnson

Future not so bleak after all. By the way, Pierce has two more years in his deal, and KG going to re-signed. Celtics roster next will be the best ever since Larry Bird era.

Let's add Chris "Big Willie" Wilcox and the Vengeful Otter.

 I'd like to bring Doc's Pavlovic dog back as well.  The Dr. says, "play defense Sasha and you get a reward."  Sasha learns that playing defense brings positive reinforcement.  Sasha keeps playing defense.

I give up. Who or what is the vengeful otter?

Pietrus.  I thought everybody knew that.

[Fafnir]

Agree wholeheartedly, Jeff Green is the better player. He may be less aggressive but at least he knows what he's good at & not good at... J (not so) Smoove has no idea what a bad shot is.

Jeff green is roughly as efficient than josh smith, even with smiths poor shot selection. Their career TS% is rather close.

Smith is the better player by a huge margin. Josh smith is a near all star level PF. Jeff Green is a backup SF or third string PF.

[Fafnir]

Jeff Green doesn't have the same impact on defense. The fact that Smith is a known 200+ blocks per season guy really tells the story.

He is also an outstanding passer for a PF. (4 APG)

The fact that Smith is such a good shot blocker puts him above Green any day. You can argue Green is better offensively, but not by much. Smith is just a monster at defense.

I'm not so sure about Smith being a better passer, even with the statistical edge, but I do agree about the defense. Smith's main problem is his efficiency. If he can get his shot selection under control with a contender, then he probably does have more potential.

With all that said, Green is much more consistent and could slide in with any team as the 3rd or 4th option and have a very positive effect. With a team freindly contract, it makes more sense to go with Green...but I wouldn't complain if we acquired Smith.

Green has never averaged more than 2 APG in his entire career, while Smith's career high in APG was 4.2. He's currently averaging 3.9 this season. The "Green played with KD/Westbrook" argument shouldn't work because the Hawks play a lot of isolation - resulting in less assists.

Josh Smith may be inconsistent in some eyes, but he often has A LOT of big games (30+ points, etc. If you look at the Hawks box score every so often, you know what I mean.) He can take over games better than Green when he wants to (He's lazy.)

Smith > Green

I think I agreed with you that Smith was better than Green, but that doesn't mean he is a better teammate or a better piece to a championship team.

As for his passing, Smith seems like the kind of guy that loves to make 'awesome' passes. He is much more ball-dominant than Green. While Green seems to make fewer mistakes and plays within the flow of the game, Smith sometimes makes bonhead plays and attempts things he probably shouldn't. Like I said, I would like to have Smith on our team, but he would need to learn to play within our system...not the other way around.

Frankly, I would like both players on our team...

Funny thing is that green could use a bit of smiths bull headedness on offense. Green just isn't aggressive enough offensively when he has an advantage or a opportunity.

[syfy9]

Jeff Green doesn't have the same impact on defense. The fact that Smith is a known 200+ blocks per season guy really tells the story.

He is also an outstanding passer for a PF. (4 APG)

The fact that Smith is such a good shot blocker puts him above Green any day. You can argue Green is better offensively, but not by much. Smith is just a monster at defense.

I'm not so sure about Smith being a better passer, even with the statistical edge, but I do agree about the defense. Smith's main problem is his efficiency. If he can get his shot selection under control with a contender, then he probably does have more potential.

With all that said, Green is much more consistent and could slide in with any team as the 3rd or 4th option and have a very positive effect. With a team freindly contract, it makes more sense to go with Green...but I wouldn't complain if we acquired Smith.

Green has never averaged more than 2 APG in his entire career, while Smith's career high in APG was 4.2. He's currently averaging 3.9 this season. The "Green played with KD/Westbrook" argument shouldn't work because the Hawks play a lot of isolation - resulting in less assists.

Josh Smith may be inconsistent in some eyes, but he often has A LOT of big games (30+ points, etc. If you look at the Hawks box score every so often, you know what I mean.) He can take over games better than Green when he wants to (He's lazy.)

Smith > Green

He doesnt take over games for the Hawks. A guy by the name of Joe Johnson tends to do that. Smith would rather take jump shots than get to the rim like he should. How can you take over games when you don't play to your strengths? this brings us full circle to the low IQ thing. your caught up in the fact that hes a flashy dunker and has less than two impressive blocks a game. There are more variables than that.

So just because Johnson is more clutch means he's better?
Hate to break it to you, but Johnson is having a slumping season, while Smith is having the one of the best of his career.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3834/gamelog;_ylt=AqMKPOh75iEQbajfOjvc0F4CPaB4

Smith has so many monster games (30+ points, 10+ (often more) rebounds, 5+ assists), you can't just say Green is better than him because he has a low IQ (it's not like Green is a mastermind like Rondo...).

The best player on the Hawks is Josh Smith.

You can say Green is more championship caliber, but that is only opinion. He has never been a legit championship contender. We were not legit contenders last year - We had a fighting chance, but the odds were horribly against us.

Smith is the better player. He's averaging almost 20 PPG, 10 RPG, and 4 APG. Jeff Green is averaging 0 PPG, 0 RPG, and 0 APG.  

[thestackshow]

Ive been so shocked by the emerging all-star Avery Bradley that I forgot Green was even on this team.

[LooseCannon]

Since the salary cap rules all, would you rather have Josh Smith at $13.2m that he is scheduled to make next season plus three more seasons at $13-14m, or Jeff Green over the same period for somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of that money?  Not sure what Green is worth exactly, but let's say that his market value ends up being around that.

[bucknersrevenge]

On THIS team, I'd rather have Josh. Green as a 3 would backup Paul and I don't want him playing extended minutes at the 4. Nor do I want Paul sliding down to the 2 to fit Green in at the 3. Green is just a bad fit overall on this team so long as Paul is here.

But Green would fit in quite nicely where Bass is. Low IQ? Won't argue that. He takes some of the worst jumpers ever. But his net effect on a game is amazing. With his weakside shotblocking on this team, we could be scary defensively. Not to mention as a fastbreak finisher chasing down Rondo lobs he could excel even more than he does now. I just think that ATL offense is way too much isolation and maybe if he came here Rondo would be able to get him a lot more open, easy makeable shots just like they did for Bass. To me Smith's upside on this team is worth the gamble.

[KGs Knee]

Jeff Green is getting way more respect as an inactive player recovering from an unknown heart condition and subsequent surgery than he ever did as an active player and the Celtics' 6th man. 

TP

It is utterly amazing how the legend of Jeff Green has grown simply by NOT playing.

The last time anyone saw Green play, he was an almost useless 6th man.  Green did absolutely nothing of merit during his few months wearing a C's uniform.  I mean seriously, it was being heavily debated whether it would be better to bring back Big Baby or Green.

He seems like a nice guy and has shown he cares about this team (he's been around the team off/on all year even though he has no official ties to the team).  I wish nothing but the best for him.

Is that all it takes to become a "Celtic Legend" these days though?

[LarBrd33]

well that's a fun little opinion innit?

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

Jeff Green is a great player, with great skills/size/strength/speed and potential. Josh Smith is also a great player with great skills/size/strength/speed and potential.  Both very similar. 

Josh Smith plays better defense, is more aggressive and assertive.  Jeff Green is better offensively, is more passive and plays within the flow of the offense (which is better suited for a team that plays team basketball).  Both are great complimentary pieces and you really can't go wrong with either. 

I understand Jeff Green didnt play all that well last season but he was really just thrown into the fire with all that Perkins drama boiling over his head.  Add to the fact, that he would have really benefited from a training camp and a full off season with the team.  So you can't really write him off yet.  His time to prove himself will come, and I think he will flourish.

As for who I'd rather have, I'd go with Jeff Green.  With Josh Smith, you know exactly what you're getting (plus the headaches).  Jeff Green just has that whole mystique about him that makes me think he's going to be a great player given the right system and opportunity.  He has too much smarts and waaaaay too much skill to be written off this soon into his career.

[mctyson]

   I would take Jeff Green over Smith every day of the week and twice on Sundays.Hes a better shooter, both from the line and the field. Can actually shoot threes. Green has never been a first option, or even a second option on offense. If he took 17 shots a game like smith he would certainly put up better numbers. The only real edge Smith has is his rebounding ability. Smith may be an extremely athletic player but he makes terrible decisions (low basketball IQ) and I cringe every time he hucks up a jump shot. Green has more upside, is smarter, and when healthy will be a better all around player.

I give the edge to Josh Smith in shot blocking and interior defense, along with rebounding (too lazy to look up stats.) Probably interior "traffic" offense too.  And dunking.

I give the upside argument to Green though.  At least in Boston, we still haven't seen a full season of what JG can do.  I think he will be a 14-pt per game scorer as a swing 3/4, a guy who can defend Lebron and Carmelo, run the lanes on the break with Rondo, and hit the spot up set shots.  His success will largely be dependent on how well he rebounds and if he can hit 3's (which he needs to do if he plays SF.)

[mctyson]

Jeff Green is getting way more respect as an inactive player recovering from an unknown heart condition and subsequent surgery than he ever did as an active player and the Celtics' 6th man. 

TP

It is utterly amazing how the legend of Jeff Green has grown simply by NOT playing.

The last time anyone saw Green play, he was an almost useless 6th man.  Green did absolutely nothing of merit during his few months wearing a C's uniform.  I mean seriously, it was being heavily debated whether it would be better to bring back Big Baby or Green.

He seems like a nice guy and has shown he cares about this team (he's been around the team off/on all year even though he has no official ties to the team).  I wish nothing but the best for him.

Is that all it takes to become a "Celtic Legend" these days though?

Completely disagree.  If you watched the Heat series last year, there was one thing that stood out:  Jeff Green can man-up Lebron.  He had 2 really good games against him defensively, and he chipped in offensively too. 

If he comes back 100% healthy, he will still be able to defend.  And that's all that matters.

[dmopower]

I wouldn't call either one of them great. Green averaged 3.7 assist a game in college. I think the situation you are in can make a big difference in that area.

That said Ill take Josh Smith every day of the week. And I like Jeff Green.

[2short]

Jeff Green is a great player, with great skills/size/strength/speed and potential. Josh Smith is also a great player with great skills/size/strength/speed and potential.  Both very similar. 

Josh Smith plays better defense, is more aggressive and assertive.  Jeff Green is better offensively, is more passive and plays within the flow of the offense (which is better suited for a team that plays team basketball).  Both are great complimentary pieces and you really can't go wrong with either. 

I understand Jeff Green didnt play all that well last season but he was really just thrown into the fire with all that Perkins drama boiling over his head.  Add to the fact, that he would have really benefited from a training camp and a full off season with the team.  So you can't really write him off yet.  His time to prove himself will come, and I think he will flourish.

As for who I'd rather have, I'd go with Jeff Green.  With Josh Smith, you know exactly what you're getting (plus the headaches).  Jeff Green just has that whole mystique about him that makes me think he's going to be a great player given the right system and opportunity.  He has too much smarts and waaaaay too much skill to be written off this soon into his career.

tp and agreement
if we are going after a pf then we need a dominate one, not a borderline all star who is questionable in shot selection
smith should be the better player but if you add in contracts and the team game I'll take jeff green
can we sign both green & bass for the same as smith? smith is 13 million