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Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« on: April 16, 2012, 10:21:49 PM »

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   I would take Jeff Green over Smith every day of the week and twice on Sundays.Hes a better shooter, both from the line and the field. Can actually shoot threes. Green has never been a first option, or even a second option on offense. If he took 17 shots a game like smith he would certainly put up better numbers. The only real edge Smith has is his rebounding ability. Smith may be an extremely athletic player but he makes terrible decisions (low basketball IQ) and I cringe every time he hucks up a jump shot. Green has more upside, is smarter, and when healthy will be a better all around player.
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Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 10:25:50 PM »

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cant wait for green to come back. he's dedicated to this team

Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 10:29:01 PM »

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Green>Smith? We don't know until he laces up, steps on the hardwood and plays. Let's hope the heart issue and the really long lay off didn't affect his game.
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Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 10:29:46 PM »

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Jeff Green doesn't have the same impact on defense. The fact that Smith is a known 200+ blocks per season guy really tells the story.

He is also an outstanding passer for a PF. (4 APG)

The fact that Smith is such a good shot blocker puts him above Green any day. You can argue Green is better offensively, but not by much. Smith is just a monster at defense.
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Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 10:35:29 PM »

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Jeff Green ain't the rebounder/defender J-Smoove is.  Definitely better bball IQ and shooter than Smith, similar finisher.

Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 10:36:57 PM »

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Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 10:37:19 PM »

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Jeff Green doesn't have the same impact on defense. The fact that Smith is a known 200+ blocks per season guy really tells the story.

He is also an outstanding passer for a PF. (4 APG)

The fact that Smith is such a good shot blocker puts him above Green any day. You can argue Green is better offensively, but not by much. Smith is just a monster at defense.

I'm not so sure about Smith being a better passer, even with the statistical edge, but I do agree about the defense. Smith's main problem is his efficiency. If he can get his shot selection under control with a contender, then he probably does have more potential.

With all that said, Green is much more consistent and could slide in with any team as the 3rd or 4th option and have a very positive effect. With a team freindly contract, it makes more sense to go with Green...but I wouldn't complain if we acquired Smith.

Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 10:42:45 PM »

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Jeff Green doesn't have the same impact on defense. The fact that Smith is a known 200+ blocks per season guy really tells the story.

He is also an outstanding passer for a PF. (4 APG)

The fact that Smith is such a good shot blocker puts him above Green any day. You can argue Green is better offensively, but not by much. Smith is just a monster at defense.

I'm not so sure about Smith being a better passer, even with the statistical edge, but I do agree about the defense. Smith's main problem is his efficiency. If he can get his shot selection under control with a contender, then he probably does have more potential.

With all that said, Green is much more consistent and could slide in with any team as the 3rd or 4th option and have a very positive effect. With a team freindly contract, it makes more sense to go with Green...but I wouldn't complain if we acquired Smith.
Green has never averaged more than 2 APG in his entire career, while Smith's career high in APG was 4.2. He's currently averaging 3.9 this season. The "Green played with KD/Westbrook" argument shouldn't work because the Hawks play a lot of isolation - resulting in less assists.

Josh Smith may be inconsistent in some eyes, but he often has A LOT of big games (30+ points, etc. If you look at the Hawks box score every so often, you know what I mean.) He can take over games better than Green when he wants to (He's lazy.)

Smith > Green
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Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 10:49:11 PM »

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His assist to turnover ratio is not good. the only reason he averages 3.9 assists is because their team does not have a pg and he has the ball in his hands way more than he should. I do not even think hes much more athletic than Green. Greens IQ will allow him to pick up the defense schemes faster as well as the teams offense. Smith is a flashy player has Great dunks and can block the ball into the 7th row. Certainly not worth 13 mil. hes  over-rated and over paid for what he does.  
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2012, 10:50:16 PM »

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Future not so bleak after all. By the way, Pierce has two more years in his deal, and KG going to re-signed. Celtics roster next will be the best ever since Larry Bird era.

Let's add Chris "Big Willie" Wilcox and the Vengeful Otter.

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Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2012, 10:50:51 PM »

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Jeff Green doesn't have the same impact on defense. The fact that Smith is a known 200+ blocks per season guy really tells the story.

He is also an outstanding passer for a PF. (4 APG)

The fact that Smith is such a good shot blocker puts him above Green any day. You can argue Green is better offensively, but not by much. Smith is just a monster at defense.

I'm not so sure about Smith being a better passer, even with the statistical edge, but I do agree about the defense. Smith's main problem is his efficiency. If he can get his shot selection under control with a contender, then he probably does have more potential.

With all that said, Green is much more consistent and could slide in with any team as the 3rd or 4th option and have a very positive effect. With a team freindly contract, it makes more sense to go with Green...but I wouldn't complain if we acquired Smith.
Green has never averaged more than 2 APG in his entire career, while Smith's career high in APG was 4.2. He's currently averaging 3.9 this season. The "Green played with KD/Westbrook" argument shouldn't work because the Hawks play a lot of isolation - resulting in less assists.

Josh Smith may be inconsistent in some eyes, but he often has A LOT of big games (30+ points, etc. If you look at the Hawks box score every so often, you know what I mean.) He can take over games better than Green when he wants to (He's lazy.)

Smith > Green

I think I agreed with you that Smith was better than Green, but that doesn't mean he is a better teammate or a better piece to a championship team.

As for his passing, Smith seems like the kind of guy that loves to make 'awesome' passes. He is much more ball-dominant than Green. While Green seems to make fewer mistakes and plays within the flow of the game, Smith sometimes makes bonhead plays and attempts things he probably shouldn't. Like I said, I would like to have Smith on our team, but he would need to learn to play within our system...not the other way around.

Frankly, I would like both players on our team...

Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2012, 10:52:38 PM »

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I think Smith has hit his potential were Green May have not even come close to it. You think about it, he hasn't been the first or second option on the team and still had average around 14 points a game, and that was with playing behind one of the best scorers int he league.

And with Greens medical scare, that might make him hungry, not take the game for granted. I'll be excited to see how he plays after the all star break next season. Its going to take him a while to get back into the flow being out for over a year.

The thing that I really like about Green is his personality. He's not going to cause trouble, he's the yang to Rondos ying. And the fact that the guy has been hanging around the team when he doesn't have to show character, and some one that actually wants to be here.

Re: Jeff Green>Josh Smith
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2012, 10:57:14 PM »

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Jeff Green doesn't have the same impact on defense. The fact that Smith is a known 200+ blocks per season guy really tells the story.

He is also an outstanding passer for a PF. (4 APG)

The fact that Smith is such a good shot blocker puts him above Green any day. You can argue Green is better offensively, but not by much. Smith is just a monster at defense.

I'm not so sure about Smith being a better passer, even with the statistical edge, but I do agree about the defense. Smith's main problem is his efficiency. If he can get his shot selection under control with a contender, then he probably does have more potential.

With all that said, Green is much more consistent and could slide in with any team as the 3rd or 4th option and have a very positive effect. With a team freindly contract, it makes more sense to go with Green...but I wouldn't complain if we acquired Smith.
Green has never averaged more than 2 APG in his entire career, while Smith's career high in APG was 4.2. He's currently averaging 3.9 this season. The "Green played with KD/Westbrook" argument shouldn't work because the Hawks play a lot of isolation - resulting in less assists.

Josh Smith may be inconsistent in some eyes, but he often has A LOT of big games (30+ points, etc. If you look at the Hawks box score every so often, you know what I mean.) He can take over games better than Green when he wants to (He's lazy.)

Smith > Green


He doesnt take over games for the Hawks. A guy by the name of Joe Johnson tends to do that. Smith would rather take jump shots than get to the rim like he should. How can you take over games when you don't play to your strengths? this brings us full circle to the low IQ thing. your caught up in the fact that hes a flashy dunker and has less than two impressive blocks a game. There are more variables than that.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2012, 11:06:13 PM »

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Agree wholeheartedly, Jeff Green is the better player. He may be less aggressive but at least he knows what he's good at & not good at... J (not so) Smoove has no idea what a bad shot is.

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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2012, 11:30:10 PM »

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Jeff Green is getting way more respect as an inactive player recovering from an unknown heart condition and subsequent surgery than he ever did as an active player and the Celtics' 6th man.

Jeff Green has never in his career shown to be on Josh Smith's level. As a defender it's never even been worth discussing, as offensive players they're much closer, and both flawed.

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