Avery Bradley's trade value?

[drax]

I think if you consider what he could have done in college ball this year he could be a very high draft pick this year as a junior. I mean Austin Rivers or him? Harrison Barnes or him?

I'd go with Austin Rivers and him. It would be a great back court rotation between Rondo, Bradley and Rivers. Rivers the offensiv option, Bradley the defensiv one and Rondo as the delivery guy ...

[LooseCannon]

Me too. I was a strong doubter. But I think I assumed if they felt they could have played him at the 2, they would have. He's obviously a whole different animal off the ball.

I thought it was clear they were trying to force him to be a PG because they needed a back-up 1 more than they needed a back-up 2.  Perhaps they didn't have much of a choice due to injuries, but it felt to me that Bradley was clearly a shooting guard who should be a shooting guard, not a shooting guard by default because he couldn't play the point.

I generally think it is a mistake to try and force under-sized shooting guards to function as point guards right away.  In Bradley's case, it was an even bigger mistake because he had never been a point guard in high school.  Get them comfortable as shooting guards first, then see how they can do as PGs. 

[Meadowlark_Scal]

WHAT a great idea...develop a player...into a player..then get rid of him...GENUIS..!!! Why, maybe we could just develop players for the whole league...like an NBA factory..! Trade Avery Bradley for Avery Bradley...thats it. Now go find a few big men and we have another good team. Get Steamer, jjj, and hollis going....from now till next Oct....sighn bass.....get another free agent center, and a pp backup.....and we go with the guys we have, minus marquis D.

[Fafnir]

WHAT a great idea...develop a player...into a player..then get rid of him...GENUIS..!!!

Not that I advocate trading Bradley right now, but isn't this exactly what we did with Big Al and Delonte West. (along with Gomes/Green/etc...)

Its all a matter of whom you're getting in return.

[Chris]

WHAT a great idea...develop a player...into a player..then get rid of him...GENUIS..!!!

Not that I advocate trading Bradley right now, but isn't this exactly what we did with Big Al and Delonte West. (along with Gomes/Green/etc...)

Its all a matter of whom you're getting in return.

Exactly.  And this is where Danny has a very tough job.  He needs to be able to determine what Bradley is going to turn into in the next few years, to determine his value.

He needs to decide whether he thinks he can be a star, a top 3 player on a team, or a role player, and he can't trade him for less than what he projects him as. 

There is always the chance that Bradley is peaking, and his value will diminish once he is no longer able to fit in with a group of hall of famers, who can hide some of his weaknesses.  And Danny needs to balance that risk with the risk that he will become a star if he trades him.

I don't envy the decisions Danny will have to make.

...although it might also be easy, because he may not have proven enough yet for any team to even tempt Danny with an offer for him yet.

[wdleehi]

WHAT a great idea...develop a player...into a player..then get rid of him...GENUIS..!!!

Not that I advocate trading Bradley right now, but isn't this exactly what we did with Big Al and Delonte West. (along with Gomes/Green/etc...)

Its all a matter of whom you're getting in return.

Exactly.  And this is where Danny has a very tough job.  He needs to be able to determine what Bradley is going to turn into in the next few years, to determine his value.

He needs to decide whether he thinks he can be a star, a top 3 player on a team, or a role player, and he can't trade him for less than what he projects him as. 

There is always the chance that Bradley is peaking, and his value will diminish once he is no longer able to fit in with a group of hall of famers, who can hide some of his weaknesses.  And Danny needs to balance that risk with the risk that he will become a star if he trades him.

I don't envy the decisions Danny will have to make.

...although it might also be easy, because he may not have proven enough yet for any team to even tempt Danny with an offer for him yet.

Unless the player is a top 5 star, then they are fair game in most trade talks. 


I am perfectly happy to let Bradley to continue to grow next season.  I think his trade value is lower then we would want for him at this point because he hasn't played at this higher level long enough. 


Even though they are playing great together, I am still not the fan of the lack of size at the Guard position going forward.  I look forward to seeing if this pair can be the exception to what we have come to believe about size and shooting at he Guard spot. 


But if a team for some unknown reason offers a younger star to the Celtics for a package that include Bradley, I think the team has to pull the trigger.

[Fafnir]

Even though they are playing great together, I am still not the fan of the lack of size at the Guard position going forward.  I look forward to seeing if this pair can be the exception to what we have come to believe about size and shooting at he Guard spot. 

Yeah I'm still not convinced AB should be used as a starting SG. That's one of the reasons I like Doc using him as Rondo's backup in his current guard rotation.

One of the reasons the C's are a bad rebounding team is that the majority of our SG minutes all go to bad rebounders. Ray, Avery, and Keyoon are all near the bottom of the league. Only when Pietrus is a the 2 do we get adequete production in that area. (and he's not even a great rebounder for a SG)

[gar]

Undersized SG or unproven PG. Makes you wonder what Danny as thinking. No matter how much he excels at SG his value will always be limited at that position unless he can play alongside Chauncey Billups or the like.

[guava_wrench]

Even though they are playing great together, I am still not the fan of the lack of size at the Guard position going forward.  I look forward to seeing if this pair can be the exception to what we have come to believe about size and shooting at he Guard spot. 

Yeah I'm still not convinced AB should be used as a starting SG. That's one of the reasons I like Doc using him as Rondo's backup in his current guard rotation.

One of the reasons the C's are a bad rebounding team is that the majority of our SG minutes all go to bad rebounders. Ray, Avery, and Keyoon are all near the bottom of the league. Only when Pietrus is a the 2 do we get adequete production in that area. (and he's not even a great rebounder for a SG)

I am not comfortable mentioning SG as a significant reason for our rebounding problems. And mentioning Ray kills the size hypothesis since Ray isn't small.

[Chris]

Even though they are playing great together, I am still not the fan of the lack of size at the Guard position going forward.  I look forward to seeing if this pair can be the exception to what we have come to believe about size and shooting at he Guard spot. 

Yeah I'm still not convinced AB should be used as a starting SG. That's one of the reasons I like Doc using him as Rondo's backup in his current guard rotation.

One of the reasons the C's are a bad rebounding team is that the majority of our SG minutes all go to bad rebounders. Ray, Avery, and Keyoon are all near the bottom of the league. Only when Pietrus is a the 2 do we get adequete production in that area. (and he's not even a great rebounder for a SG)

I am not comfortable mentioning SG as a significant reason for our rebounding problems. And mentioning Ray kills the size hypothesis since Ray isn't small.

Ray isn't small, but he isn't a good rebounder at this point in his career.

While SG isn't the reason for our rebounding problem, it isn't helping.  Doc's system has always relied more on perimeter guys rebounding, because it involved so much switching and chasing on the perimeter by big men.  This was a real key in 2008.  But over the last couple of years, as Pierce and Ray have gotten older, we have lost guys like Posey and Tony Allen, and Rondo has started leaking out more, rather than crashing the defensive boards, the rebounding by perimeter guys has really fallen off, and it has been the biggest difference to the rebounding overall.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Lost d west for dooling, bad....TA for marquis danials= bad.....the big al one worked out....but this doc rivers kid stuff...is wrong in my book....we don't need anther spoiled kid.....besides, what parent can fix their own spoiled kid...? What we'll need is another 7 footer, a power forward, a shooter with some D skills.....There will be these types in free agent land...! What does the C's have at guards...Rondo and Bradley......nothing extra there.....

[Celtics18]

Even though they are playing great together, I am still not the fan of the lack of size at the Guard position going forward.  I look forward to seeing if this pair can be the exception to what we have come to believe about size and shooting at he Guard spot. 

Yeah I'm still not convinced AB should be used as a starting SG. That's one of the reasons I like Doc using him as Rondo's backup in his current guard rotation.

One of the reasons the C's are a bad rebounding team is that the majority of our SG minutes all go to bad rebounders. Ray, Avery, and Keyoon are all near the bottom of the league. Only when Pietrus is a the 2 do we get adequete production in that area. (and he's not even a great rebounder for a SG)

Well, the team's overall rebounding rate has improved since Avery Bradley has been the starting two guard.  I'm not saying there's a direct correlation, but you clearly can't blame him for our rebounding woes.

[alajet]

Lost d west for dooling, bad....TA for marquis danials= bad.....the big al one worked out....but this doc rivers kid stuff...is wrong in my book....we don't need anther spoiled kid.....besides, what parent can fix their own spoiled kid...? What we'll need is another 7 footer, a power forward, a shooter with some D skills.....There will be these types in free agent land...! What does the C's have at guards...Rondo and Bradley......nothing extra there.....

Personally, I don't see Austin slipping into the 20s in the draft, but if he did, I'd consider taking him. In a draft, you need to pick talent over team needs and considering the bigs that are going to be available on the board, it'll be fair to say Austin's talent level is higher than them. Or let's say, he's expected to be more talented.
I don't know. He played within a roster in Duke that lacked talent obviously, so, it doesn't really give you a clear indication for a young player.
This draft is going to be an interesting one, that's for sure.

[Fafnir]

Even though they are playing great together, I am still not the fan of the lack of size at the Guard position going forward.  I look forward to seeing if this pair can be the exception to what we have come to believe about size and shooting at he Guard spot.  

Yeah I'm still not convinced AB should be used as a starting SG. That's one of the reasons I like Doc using him as Rondo's backup in his current guard rotation.

One of the reasons the C's are a bad rebounding team is that the majority of our SG minutes all go to bad rebounders. Ray, Avery, and Keyoon are all near the bottom of the league. Only when Pietrus is a the 2 do we get adequete production in that area. (and he's not even a great rebounder for a SG)

Well, the team's overall rebounding rate has improved since Avery Bradley has been the starting two guard.  I'm not saying there's a direct correlation, but you clearly can't blame him for our rebounding woes.

Your logic is faulty, just because our DReb% has increased the last 15 games doesn't mean Bradley's poor rebounding for a SG doesn't impact the C's overall rebounding negatively.

Also you did make me calculate our rebound rates the last 16 games, which has been 74.5% DREB and 18% OReb. If we can rebound like that defensively for the playoffs we have a chance. (that's a top 10 DReb rate if we had it for over the course of the season)

[Celtics18]

Even though they are playing great together, I am still not the fan of the lack of size at the Guard position going forward.  I look forward to seeing if this pair can be the exception to what we have come to believe about size and shooting at he Guard spot.  

Yeah I'm still not convinced AB should be used as a starting SG. That's one of the reasons I like Doc using him as Rondo's backup in his current guard rotation.

One of the reasons the C's are a bad rebounding team is that the majority of our SG minutes all go to bad rebounders. Ray, Avery, and Keyoon are all near the bottom of the league. Only when Pietrus is a the 2 do we get adequete production in that area. (and he's not even a great rebounder for a SG)

Well, the team's overall rebounding rate has improved since Avery Bradley has been the starting two guard.  I'm not saying there's a direct correlation, but you clearly can't blame him for our rebounding woes.

Your logic is faulty, just because our DReb% has increased the last 15 games doesn't mean Bradley's poor rebounding for a SG doesn't impact the C's overall rebounding negatively.

Also you did make me calculate our rebound rates the last 16 games, which has been 74.5% DREB and 18% OReb. If we can rebound like that defensively for the playoffs we have a chance. (that's a top 10 DReb rate if we had it for over the course of the season)

74.5% is about what I got too.   

I get what you are saying about rebounding from the guard spot, but if you are going to have a position where you have a below average rebounder, I'd rather have him be in the backcourt than in the front court. 

Even if his rebounding numbers are below average for his position, as long as he can continue to guard opposing two guards effectively, I like the Rondo/Bradley backcourt.