Avery Bradley's trade value?

[OmarSekou]

Whenever we get a few chips everyone seems real eager to gamble them away. Bradley's a developing player that already appears to be a legitimate starter. At worst, he's an excellent rotation player. Why not keep him and see what he can do unless someone wants to clearly overpay for him?

[TripleOT]

The one downside to AB is whether he will be able to guard bigger SGs one on one effectively. I expect his shot to become truer as he gets more experienced, and he's showing some offensive savvy already to go with his on ball defensive skills (which are top of the league). 

As he gets more and more respect from NBA refs, his one on one D on bigger guards will improve, as they allow him to wrestle them more for low box position.  Already, he has bigger SGs petrified to put the ball on the deck when facing up out on the court.

I'd guess he'd be picked anywhere from 8-12, which is a nice bump from where he was selected, 19th, in a garbage draft, BTW.  Another nice pull by DA.  If we were doing re-drafts, most of Danny's picks would move up substantially, with Rondo jetting from 21 to either 1 or 2 (Aldridge). I won't mention JJJ.   

 

[rbow]

Even if we were to get a lottery pick for him, the player we would get would need time to develop. AB is 2 years ahead of whomever this pick might be. I see him gaining more confidence in his shot and once he gets that going he'll be on his way as a solid starter.   I still have hopes of a title run this year and both Chicago and Miami seem vulnerable. I also like to project what next year's squad looks like and starting with RR, AB, PP and a hopefully healthy JG is a good place to begin. Add in KG and a serviceable big and watch out. If we could bring back BB and CW as a deep backup big I think we'd be on to something. Without question I'd like RA to return but methinks that won't happen. Of course Danny already has his eye on a few guys for next year and no one probably even knows who they are. I do think he's learned his lesson about trying to rely on older bigs given his 1 for 3 success; hit: PJB, miss Shaq and JON.  oh and let's not forget JJJ and EM will be in their 2nd season and should be able to contribute especially after a full training camp. aloha 

[RajonRondo9Dime]

Post Big 3 era, I don't see a lot of value for Bradley.

Personally, I think his value to this franchise is probably at it's peak here in 2012, on  a veteran team looking for a championship.

He's not someone you build around for the future.

[bbd24]

Post Big 3 era, I don't see a lot of value for Bradley.

Personally, I think his value to this franchise is probably at it's peak here in 2012, on  a veteran team looking for a championship.

He's not someone you build around for the future.

How can anybody be at there peak at 21 ?

[thestackshow]

Post Big 3 era, I don't see a lot of value for Bradley.

Personally, I think his value to this franchise is probably at it's peak here in 2012, on  a veteran team looking for a championship.

He's not someone you build around for the future.

How can anybody be at there peak at 21 ?

You kiddin me? Rondo peaked when he was 21. Thats the year we won the title and thats the year when he reached his best level of play. We should have traded him for CP3 at that point, now hes past his prime and on the decline...

/sarcasm

But really, Bradley is basically a rookie, he was injured all of last year, missed practice and camps, barely played and Doc told him "the only thing I want you to do is bring the ball up the court so Rondo can get 5 minutes of rest this game"

Hes basically a Rookie, and a very good one at that. If he were starting this year for the entire year, he would have been in that rookie/sophomore game at the all-star game this year.

You guys can say what you want about him, hes a stud. Hes getting 10-13 points per game just off broken plays and transition baskets, think of what he may get if we actually ran plays for him.

[alajet]

I think he has a point.
Good defensive players are invaluable when you merge them within a championship-winning squad.
Not so relevant when you're going through a rebuilding process. Those young teams generally live by and die by their offense, not defense.
But, if somehow we manage to stick around for a lowly play-off seed in those years as a young team, he'll keep his value.

[LooseCannon]

I think he has a point.
Good defensive players are invaluable when you merge them within a championship-winning squad.
Not so relevant when you're going through a rebuilding process. Those young teams generally live by and die by their offense, not defense.
But, if somehow we manage to stick around for a lowly play-off seed in those years as a young team, he'll keep his value.

Are you saying defense only matters when you're good?

[LarBrd33]

bradley is turning me into a believer.  Probably could get a mid 1st rounder out of him (15th pick or so).  Maybe not.  Maybe 20th.

[RajonRondo9Dime]

I think he has a point.
Good defensive players are invaluable when you merge them within a championship-winning squad.
Not so relevant when you're going through a rebuilding process. Those young teams generally live by and die by their offense, not defense.
But, if somehow we manage to stick around for a lowly play-off seed in those years as a young team, he'll keep his value.

Are you saying defense only matters when you're good?

No...

But how many extra games is Bradley going to win defensively for a mediocre team...?

I like the kid, but he's got role player written alllll over him. Nothing wrong with that, but if we think we've got the back court of the future, well, we better bring in one HELL Of a front court.

[hpantazo]

Bradley is a cheap young quality piece to have on a good team, there is no reason to trade him, he won't help bring back a young all-star

[chambers]

bradley is turning me into a believer.  Probably could get a mid 1st rounder out of him (15th pick or so).  Maybe not.  Maybe 20th.

What about 'Stinksma'?
lol.
But seriously,
I think he'd (Avery) go for more than most think.
If you think about going back 6 months in time, when Danny was going after Chris Paul- I think it's fair to say that if Bradley was playing like he is currently we would have had a serious shot at getting Paul with a package based around Bradley and Rondo of some kind.
To me, modern day NBA GM's value Celtics picks from this era with a higher face value because they've been in the locker room with KG, Pierce and Ray- and what this brings to their organization in terms of toughness, work ethic and attitude in general.
Avery Bradley is Tony Allen minus 2 inches, with more speed and a much more versatile offensive game- combine this with his Celtics pedigree and defensive minded NBA GM's would be foaming at the mouth.
Question is, do you let him blossom and hope he just gets better and better for us, or do you unload him before his size becomes more of an issue?
I still think he could play point guard in the NBA. If he spent a summer working on his handles and passing I have no doubt he could be a starting PG that can move to SG in multiple rotations.
If Tony Allen and Delonte West can start for contenders, I can't see why Bradley couldn't one day.

[alajet]

I think he has a point.
Good defensive players are invaluable when you merge them within a championship-winning squad.
Not so relevant when you're going through a rebuilding process. Those young teams generally live by and die by their offense, not defense.
But, if somehow we manage to stick around for a lowly play-off seed in those years as a young team, he'll keep his value.

Are you saying defense only matters when you're good?

Not quite what I was trying to say. Defense always matters, but Avery isn't a big who, like KG, can single-handedly anchor the defense and turn a mediocre team into a winning one. Back court defense is, in my opinion, more complementary compared to front court defense.
But, say, plug Avery in last night's Toronto team. He won't make much of an impact. A team like Chicago, however, could use his talents to sharpen their already capable defense. That's my point.

Having said that, I must add this all goes valid as far as Avery is just a lockdown defender, a la TA. If he starts to hit the open jump shots on a more consistent basis, he will evolve into a building block.
He showed good signs with his off-the-dribble jump shooting in the past month or so, which is hopefully signaling an unfilled upside

[guava_wrench]

Whenever we get a few chips everyone seems real eager to gamble them away. Bradley's a developing player that already appears to be a legitimate starter. At worst, he's an excellent rotation player. Why not keep him and see what he can do unless someone wants to clearly overpay for him?

It isn't 'everyone'. It is just a few posters. If everyone was eager, you would see many pages of comments because there are a lot of people on celticsblog.

[guava_wrench]

I think he has a point.
Good defensive players are invaluable when you merge them within a championship-winning squad.
Not so relevant when you're going through a rebuilding process. Those young teams generally live by and die by their offense, not defense.
But, if somehow we manage to stick around for a lowly play-off seed in those years as a young team, he'll keep his value.

Are you saying defense only matters when you're good?

Not quite what I was trying to say. Defense always matters, but Avery isn't a big who, like KG, can single-handedly anchor the defense and turn a mediocre team into a winning one. Back court defense is, in my opinion, more complementary compared to front court defense.
But, say, plug Avery in last night's Toronto team. He won't make much of an impact. A team like Chicago, however, could use his talents to sharpen their already capable defense. That's my point.

Having said that, I must add this all goes valid as far as Avery is just a lockdown defender, a la TA. If he starts to hit the open jump shots on a more consistent basis, he will evolve into a building block.
He showed good signs with his off-the-dribble jump shooting in the past month or so, which is hopefully signaling an unfilled upside

Backcourt defense can mean player 5 seconds less of defense due to ball pressure and starting the offense too close to midcourt. That is significant. Admittedly, there is the problem of the other team using a different player to bring up the ball, but there are always adjustments teams can make to counter a single good defender.