Dwight Howard is no longer the NBA's best center.

[aporel#18]

No way Bynum is better than Dwight. He might be a better offensive player, but Dwight can dominate defensively and is healthier at this stage.

Bynum's numbers are very good, but he's playing alongside Pau Gasol, the most skilled big man in the League. He finds Bynum for easy baskets, and opens space with his ability to hit outside shots. If Bynum played with Zach Randolph his numbers would be worse than Marc Gasol's.

Bynum will be even better playing alongside Garnett AND Rondo, of course, but so would Dwight.

That said, both are morons, while powerful players. I'd rather have Marc Gasol on the Celtics.

[dysgenic]

I think Bynum is the better player right now.  Aside from everything that everyone has already mentioned, he is tougher than Howard...both mentally and physically.

That said, if I were given the choice between the 2, I'd have to take Howard strictly based on injury concerns.  Howard has shown he is a durable player.

[greg683x]

Howard is only 2nd on one list in the current NBA,


2nd best player in the league after Lebron.




There is talk on ESPN radio about the Lakers are likely to trade Bynum in the offseason because they are sick of his immaturity.

I hope his immaturity gets him traded to the Celtics

I hope we have enough handicapped spaces

[chambers]

Howard is only 2nd on one list in the current NBA,


2nd best player in the league after Lebron.




There is talk on ESPN radio about the Lakers are likely to trade Bynum in the offseason because they are sick of his immaturity.

I hope he becomes a free agent. Imagine how good we'd be with him and Rondo. Bring KG back for one year.
Rondo, Bradley, KG, Bynum. Can you say defense?

I'm pretty sure he's a free agent next year.

[chambers]

No way Bynum is better than Dwight. He might be a better offensive player, but Dwight can dominate defensively and is healthier at this stage.

Bynum's numbers are very good, but he's playing alongside Pau Gasol, the most skilled big man in the League. He finds Bynum for easy baskets, and opens space with his ability to hit outside shots. If Bynum played with Zach Randolph his numbers would be worse than Marc Gasol's.

Bynum will be even better playing alongside Garnett AND Rondo, of course, but so would Dwight.

That said, both are morons, while powerful players. I'd rather have Marc Gasol on the Celtics.

This is called twisted logic.
You're claiming that playing with Gasol actually helps Bynums stats when he has to share the paint with another elite 7 footer?
 He has to share the ball with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol- two All stars. Who does Dwight share the ball with? Ryan Anderson?
You're implying that without Gasol his numbers would go down?
This is laughable.

Put the two players with their exact skill sets and bball IQ in Andrew Bynums body.
Who is the better player?
Now put the two players in Dwight Howards body and do the same thing?
Bynum wins both times, and although Bynum has lost a certain amount of time and dominance with injuries, if he stays injury free, he will have a longer career than Howard because once Howard loses his athleticism what does he have?
Nothing.

[bfrombleacher]

Howard is only 2nd on one list in the current NBA,


2nd best player in the league after Lebron.




There is talk on ESPN radio about the Lakers are likely to trade Bynum in the offseason because they are sick of his immaturity.

I hope he becomes a free agent. Imagine how good we'd be with him and Rondo. Bring KG back for one year.
Rondo, Bradley, KG, Bynum. Can you say defense?

I'm pretty sure he's a free agent next year.

Holy cow...

But if anything they'd want Rondo. Or perhaps our two picks? *fingers crossed* Haha like they're gonna help us though...but maybe he's so immature that they would do it...

Scenarios like these drive me schizophrenic. The Celtic goggled part of my brain starts departing from my semi-rational part.

[guava_wrench]

Bynum is a headcase right now. He is transforming into Cousins.

I completely agree... But how can you not say that Howard is being an even BIGGER headcase in Orlando this season.

Howard isn't a head case. Talking to management in private is hardly a headcase action. Especially if it is during the negotiation of his decision to pick up the last year on his contract. He should use his leverage at that moment to mention if he wants the team to try another coach (probably next season). SVG would no doubt tell the higher ups if he wanted or didn't want a particular player.

SVG is more of a headcase than Howard. Howard is not the first player to not have faith in SVG. Remember when Shaq left Miami? SVG may be a very good coach, but the way he carries himself doesn't lead to confidence in those he leads which probably puts a cap on his success.

What does Howard do to qualify as a headcase? He is pretty far in the opposite direction. Despite getting hammered non-stop with hard fouls, he has very few incidents on court and he has an even better record off the court.

[CelticsFanNC]

  IMO Howard and Bynum are the two best centers in the NBA but neither is as great as they seem to think they are and due to this are becoming not only a distraction to their teams but also a detriment to them.

  Howard's offensive game is embarrassingly underdeveloped at this stage of his career.  Bynum is an injury waiting to happen and has been wildly inconsistent throughout his career.

 Currently, both seem to have their own personal agendas which dont coincide with the agenda of their teams.

  

[Tenacious D]

Bynum is thug . He is the king of cheap shots. DH is king of the can't concentrate on basketball

For me, one Kevin Love to go, please, with fries and the $5 shake.

[Tenacious D]

Despite getting hammered non-stop with hard fouls, he has very few incidents on court

Well, he did do a very public Hamlet, re should I stay or should I go. As for on court, he does get nettled and swing elbows. Not a headcase, but  not exactly matured, either.

[mgent]

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I could go on about this all morning but that's probably enough.  Even if it wasn't painfully obvious that Dwight is the better player, for those reasons alone he should be given the advantage.  

[Greenbean]

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I could go on about this all morning but that's probably enough.  Even if it wasn't painfully obvious that Dwight is the better player, for those reasons alone he should be given the advantage.  

TP...

[chambers]

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I could go on about this all morning but that's probably enough.  Even if it wasn't painfully obvious that Dwight is the better player, for those reasons alone he should be given the advantage. 

So Dwight Howard can jump and is tall. He is also strong.
He can't shoot.
He has no post moves.
If he were 6 feet 9 he would be a poor mans Josh Smith.
He played a lot of games.
He is a complete disappointment in his offensive development at this point in his career.
Once his jumping is gone he will be about as useful as Brian Scalabrine.

Playing 82 games over 54 does not make you a better basketball player. It means you haven't had bad injury luck. If Howard injures one knee and his mobility is limited to that of Andrew Bynum, what can he bring to a team that Kendrick Perkins can't?

In fact, is it safe to say that Dwight Howard is a giant disappointment given his size and athleticism?
On that Orlando team why wouldn't Bynum be averaging 25ppg and 12-14 rebounds per game.
You can foul Howard with 2 minutes left because he's gonna miss those free throws. Bynum is going to hit 20% more free throws.

I want to hear how Howard is the clear cut winner in this argument. If Bynum plays like this for the next 3 years how is this even a conversation?

[wdleehi]

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I could go on about this all morning but that's probably enough.  Even if it wasn't painfully obvious that Dwight is the better player, for those reasons alone he should be given the advantage. 

So Dwight Howard can jump and is tall. He is also strong.
He can't shoot.
He has no post moves.
If he were 6 feet 9 he would be a poor mans Josh Smith.
He played a lot of games.
He is a complete disappointment in his offensive development at this point in his career.
Once his jumping is gone he will be about as useful as Brian Scalabrine.

Playing 82 games over 54 does not make you a better basketball player. It means you haven't had bad injury luck. If Howard injures one knee and his mobility is limited to that of Andrew Bynum, what can he bring to a team that Kendrick Perkins can't?

In fact, is it safe to say that Dwight Howard is a giant disappointment given his size and athleticism?
On that Orlando team why wouldn't Bynum be averaging 25ppg and 12-14 rebounds per game.
You can foul Howard with 2 minutes left because he's gonna miss those free throws. Bynum is going to hit 20% more free throws.

I want to hear how Howard is the clear cut winner in this argument. If Bynum plays like this for the next 3 years how is this even a conversation?

If I was 7'2, I could be in the NBA.


But since I am 5'8, I am not.


Howard is a 7 footer.  So is Bynum.  If both were shorter, they wouldn't be as good. 



You can say that about every player in the NBA.  If Muggsy Bogues was shorter then 5'3, he wouldn't have been as good.




Howard is the better player then Bynum. 

[chambers]

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I could go on about this all morning but that's probably enough.  Even if it wasn't painfully obvious that Dwight is the better player, for those reasons alone he should be given the advantage. 

So Dwight Howard can jump and is tall. He is also strong.
He can't shoot.
He has no post moves.
If he were 6 feet 9 he would be a poor mans Josh Smith.
He played a lot of games.
He is a complete disappointment in his offensive development at this point in his career.
Once his jumping is gone he will be about as useful as Brian Scalabrine.

Playing 82 games over 54 does not make you a better basketball player. It means you haven't had bad injury luck. If Howard injures one knee and his mobility is limited to that of Andrew Bynum, what can he bring to a team that Kendrick Perkins can't?

In fact, is it safe to say that Dwight Howard is a giant disappointment given his size and athleticism?
On that Orlando team why wouldn't Bynum be averaging 25ppg and 12-14 rebounds per game.
You can foul Howard with 2 minutes left because he's gonna miss those free throws. Bynum is going to hit 20% more free throws.

I want to hear how Howard is the clear cut winner in this argument. If Bynum plays like this for the next 3 years how is this even a conversation?

If I was 7'2, I could be in the NBA.


But since I am 5'8, I am not.


Howard is a 7 footer.  So is Bynum.  If both were shorter, they wouldn't be as good. 



You can say that about every player in the NBA.  If Muggsy Bogues was shorter then 5'3, he wouldn't have been as good.




Howard is the better player then Bynum. 

Actually, Bynum is the more complete basketball player by far.
He has more skill, more moves, a higher basketball IQ, he's a better free throw shooter.
Howard is a defensive center. Bynum is a complete center. He can score through multiple avenues, even with another elite 7 footer in the paint with him, and he is an excellent defender.
The only reason this is a conversation is because of Bynum's injury problems-which granted, do effect this discussion but he has proven this year that he is by far a superior player.

Have you watched most Lakers and Magic games this year?
Did you see Bynum vs the Clippers the other night? He does things that Howard wouldn't dream of doing.

Dwight Howard being voted as the 2nd best player in the NBA is a joke, just as Chris Paul being in the top 5 is a joke.
He is one of the best defenders of course, but for me it boils down to this:
 
You can't go to Howard in the clutch time because he has no post moves and he can't shoot free throws.
He plays great defense and is great finishing around the rim, but he cannot create his own shot and finish like Bynum, nor can he be the 'go to' guy at the end of the game.
That's where the argument ends in my opinion.
You're down by 2 points with 15 seconds remaining in game 7 of the finals. Who's hands do you want the ball in? Honestly?