Rebounding Frustration at its peak

[CelticG1]

I would argue that KG is a pretty good rebounder

I would argue that Pierce is a very good rebounder at his position

I would argue that Brandon Bass, Stiemsma, Hollins, Ray, Rondo, Bradley, etc...are all plenty big enough and plenty strong enough for this Celtics team to be a very solid rebounding team.

I would then argue that they have this really unusual, really frustrating aversion to actually boxing out and then rebounding the ball.

I'm 5'9" and about 185. I can keep a 6'4" 215 pound guy off the boards all night - "all" night, it is not that difficult to do.

The key thing it requires is boxing out and a mentality that you refuse to allow the guy to go around you or crawl over your back. That's it, not rocket science.

It's why Rodman could box out Shaq all night if that was his man. It's why Bird could get 18 boards on a night when McHale was out and he had to check Karl Malone.

It's mentality and mental toughness. It has very little to do with size.

I don't by that a 6'8" 240 pound guy ( Bass) can't check a 6'11" 232 pound guy (Noah). That's all BS.

Other teams shoot and we collectively turn around and look the rim - guys walk by us for boards.

Very simple - ball goes up, find the guy closest to you and lay wood on him. There's only five of them and we've got five too.

But when you don't lay a body on anyone when the ball goes up, now you're playing 8 on 5...

It's really up to the players - they need to be willing to get into a figurative fist fight on the boards. If they are willing to do that they could be one of the better rebounding teams in the league.

It's not that we "aren't" a good rebounding team, it's that our players collectively "refuse" to be a good rebounding team.      



 

TP to OP and ScoobyDoo

I remember when we lost in game 7 to the lakers we had this mentality "we dont need to rebound when we make our shots", Well what about when the opposing team arent making their shots, do we just look at the ball and let the other team get some offensive boards? I will always remember that game because the team refused to go for boards. The lakers got 23 offensive boards to our 8. That's 15 extra possessions, offensive rebounds are just as good as steals! We played better than them that game in all aspect except for offensive rebounding and they won.

Tr:dl We lost the finals because we refused to rebound.

If I remember correctly each game that was won during that series was by the team to won the rebounding battle. So I don't think it's fair to say that we "refused to rebound". Not to mention we lost our starting center, KG was a year removed from surgery and his worst year ever for rebounding, and we got HOSED by the ref's that game.

[Chief]

Steamer came in, busted his butt fighting for rebounds, by himself, and then got benched for Ryan Hollins. Right before he was pulled, he snagged an offensive rebound between three defenders, got fouled on the put back, and made his two free throws. Now Steamer only got that rebound last night, but fought for many others in his 11 minutes.

So Doc goes with Hollins. Why?? The kid got almost 13 minutes and zero rebounds. He does nothing but dunk. I don't get it. So Doc can throw his team under the bus about effort but these are his rotations.

Last night Steamer comes in for KG. He has to try to rebound with Bass. Bass is a terrible rebounder. If you are playing along side that kid, you are going to be doing all the dirty work on your own. Now KG and Hollins, come in together and you got another bad rebounding combination.

Over the win streak, the best defensive and rebounding combination was KG and Steamer together. Why would Doc change this? My theory is KG went to Doc asking for his buddy to play. What a mistake.

Steamer is and was a fouling machine last night. You can't just ignore that. It's one game and Doc decided to throw Hollins in there for 13 whopping minutes to see if he could do anything.

Pretty sure the game wasn't lost because of Steamer or Hollins. Completely on the starters for thinking they could just go through the motions and win this game

Who cares if Steamer fouls out? Doc should use all his fouls. He gets them because he is playing hard. Things like protecting the rim and offensive rebounding can sometimes get you a cheap foul or two.

During the win streak, Steamer averaged about 22 minutes and 5 fouls a game. The kid was playing hard. Threads, on this site, talking about him being better than Perkins. Then bam!!! Ray comes back, Doc screws with the rotations, and we lose two in a row. During the two game losing streak, Steamers averaged 9 minutes. Coincidence? Maybe. We played two tough teams. But they were no tougher than Miami where Steamer played 24 minutes,in arguably, the Celtics biggest win of the year.

You just nitpick like crazy.

What would you be saying if Steamer played a whopping 8 minutes  more? Would you still think he should be playing more? What if he played 30?

It's just comical after some of these losses you just will find the most random thing to pick on. We probably lost to the Spurs cause Doc started Ray instead of Bradley. Then we lost to the Bulls cause Doc won't let Bradley be the 6th man.

I could understand if you were saying something a little legitimate but when you are getting all upset because Doc tried Hollins for a few extra minutes, in one game, over Steamer I just don't even know what to say.

Well Doc coached a good game tonight. He got Steamer 26 minutes and the kid produced. 10 pts, 9 rebounds, and 5 blocks. And I think the scoring table missed two blocks or he would have had 7. Biggest thing is the Celtics won. Coincidence again? Maybe. But when Steamer gets 20+ minutes lately, the Celtics win.

[azzenfrost]

It wasn't just one or two people grabbing rebounds tonight. Everyone tried to pull down some. Team effort!

[Chief]

Steamer came in, busted his butt fighting for rebounds, by himself, and then got benched for Ryan Hollins. Right before he was pulled, he snagged an offensive rebound between three defenders, got fouled on the put back, and made his two free throws. Now Steamer only got that rebound last night, but fought for many others in his 11 minutes.

So Doc goes with Hollins. Why?? The kid got almost 13 minutes and zero rebounds. He does nothing but dunk. I don't get it. So Doc can throw his team under the bus about effort but these are his rotations.

Last night Steamer comes in for KG. He has to try to rebound with Bass. Bass is a terrible rebounder. If you are playing along side that kid, you are going to be doing all the dirty work on your own. Now KG and Hollins, come in together and you got another bad rebounding combination.

Over the win streak, the best defensive and rebounding combination was KG and Steamer together. Why would Doc change this? My theory is KG went to Doc asking for his buddy to play. What a mistake.

Steamer is and was a fouling machine last night. You can't just ignore that. It's one game and Doc decided to throw Hollins in there for 13 whopping minutes to see if he could do anything.

Pretty sure the game wasn't lost because of Steamer or Hollins. Completely on the starters for thinking they could just go through the motions and win this game

Who cares if Steamer fouls out? Doc should use all his fouls. He gets them because he is playing hard. Things like protecting the rim and offensive rebounding can sometimes get you a cheap foul or two.

During the win streak, Steamer averaged about 22 minutes and 5 fouls a game. The kid was playing hard. Threads, on this site, talking about him being better than Perkins. Then bam!!! Ray comes back, Doc screws with the rotations, and we lose two in a row. During the two game losing streak, Steamers averaged 9 minutes. Coincidence? Maybe. We played two tough teams. But they were no tougher than Miami where Steamer played 24 minutes,in arguably, the Celtics biggest win of the year.

You just nitpick like crazy.

What would you be saying if Steamer played a whopping 8 minutes  more? Would you still think he should be playing more? What if he played 30?

It's just comical after some of these losses you just will find the most random thing to pick on. We probably lost to the Spurs cause Doc started Ray instead of Bradley. Then we lost to the Bulls cause Doc won't let Bradley be the 6th man.

I could understand if you were saying something a little legitimate but when you are getting all upset because Doc tried Hollins for a few extra minutes, in one game, over Steamer I just don't even know what to say.

Well Doc coached a good game tonight. He got Steamer 26 minutes and the kid produced. 10 pts, 9 rebounds, and 5 blocks. And I think the scoring table missed two blocks or he would have had 7. Biggest thing is the Celtics won. Coincidence again? Maybe. But when Steamer gets 20+ minutes lately, the Celtics win.

Steamer had 24 minutes last night. And Doc did a great job of giving him a break, when he got in foul trouble, and then getting him back onto the floor. Once again Cetlics won!! Coincidence again?? I don't think so.

[LB3533]

Have we out rebounded any teams since the All-Star break?

[LooseCannon]

Have we out rebounded any teams since the All-Star break?

Cleveland, Milwaukee, Golden State, Charlotte, Miami.

[CelticG1]

Have we out rebounded any teams since the All-Star break?

Cleveland, Milwaukee, Golden State, Charlotte, Miami.

Tied the Wolves and in our last 2 games (SIxers, Pacers) we were outrebounded by a total of 3

[Kiorrik]

So, yay, we're doing better!

I'm willing to bet the Stiemsma & Garnett combo has something to do with it, along with Sasha and Pierce picking up rebounding.

[LB3533]

Have we out rebounded any teams since the All-Star break?

Cleveland, Milwaukee, Golden State, Charlotte, Miami.

Tied the Wolves and in our last 2 games (SIxers, Pacers) we were outrebounded by a total of 3

So 4 or 5 teams we out rebounded and 1 we tied and a couple we were right there with them....doesn't seem like enough since we've played like 24 games since the AS break.

That Miami game where we won by 20, they shot .348 percent and we grabbed 2 more rebounds than them. To me, that actually feels like they out rebounded us.

[CelticG1]

Have we out rebounded any teams since the All-Star break?

Cleveland, Milwaukee, Golden State, Charlotte, Miami.

Tied the Wolves and in our last 2 games (SIxers, Pacers) we were outrebounded by a total of 3

So 4 or 5 teams we out rebounded and 1 we tied and a couple we were right there with them....doesn't seem like enough since we've played like 24 games since the AS break.

That Miami game where we won by 20, they shot .348 percent and we grabbed 2 more rebounds than them. To me, that actually feels like they out rebounded us.

Well that obviously gets skewed in a blowout. Same thing with turnovers. If our first team was finishing off the heat and Sixers games than we win rebounding margin by more. Both those games the last 5 min of the 4th we barely scored. Especially against the Heat.

We aren't going to be a good rebounding team but if we get to close to an average rebounding team, with our defense, keeping turnovers down, it really doesn't matter as much.

[LooseCannon]

So 4 or 5 teams we out rebounded and 1 we tied and a couple we were right there with them....doesn't seem like enough since we've played like 24 games since the AS break.

That Miami game where we won by 20, they shot .348 percent and we grabbed 2 more rebounds than them. To me, that actually feels like they out rebounded us.

The Celtics don't really need to out-rebound teams to beat them, but they do generally need to keep it close.  Avoiding getting out-rebounded by more than five is probably enough.

[guava_wrench]

Have we out rebounded any teams since the All-Star break?

Cleveland, Milwaukee, Golden State, Charlotte, Miami.

Tied the Wolves and in our last 2 games (SIxers, Pacers) we were outrebounded by a total of 3

So 4 or 5 teams we out rebounded and 1 we tied and a couple we were right there with them....doesn't seem like enough since we've played like 24 games since the AS break.

That Miami game where we won by 20, they shot .348 percent and we grabbed 2 more rebounds than them. To me, that actually feels like they out rebounded us.

All that matters to me is wins. It is rare that a team excels at everything, especially one on the decline like ours.