Carmelo Anthony is Washed Up

[Fafnir]

Carmello is Paul Pierce pre-Doc Rivers.

They're similar, but Pierce had shown a lot more interest in playing defense and team basketball in his younger days than Melo ever has. His bad habits really solidified once he became a star after a few years, Doc successfully got most of those out of him. Though they still crop up from time to time.

[Greenbean]

Carmello is Paul Pierce pre-Doc Rivers.

Pierce is a clear model for Carmelo to build on. But I'm not sure I see it; I always thought Pierce was pretty good about trying to get other people involved, but the results didn't really show  b/c of a poor supporting cast. 

Melo wants to win, I don't see him as a player who is actively selfish. But I don't think he's nearly the team player Pierce is, and I'm not sure he can learn to be.

FOr a good 2 years, before Doc came on board, Pierce played a pretty selfish game and his shooting percentages dipped to the 40% level.

But I see your point about being a team player...Pierce did flash that when he was young. I havent even seen flashes with Melo.

[Finkelskyhook]

Carmello is Paul Pierce pre-Doc Rivers.

The snitchster is the pre and post-George Karl Allen Iverson.

[Celts Fan 92]

Carmello is Paul Pierce pre-Doc Rivers.

interesting comparison dat I told some Melo fans but people wasnt trynna hear me. Pierce was actually a better passer then Melo. Pierce had a few years when he led the team in scoring rebounding nd assist, Melo is gettin older nd he needs to sacrifice if he wants a championship

[SHAQATTACK]

Trade Dooling for Melo ...let KG and Doc explain how to play defense

[EDWARDO]

Carmello is Paul Pierce pre-Doc Rivers.

Will give you a tommy point, but I have said the exact same thing about 5x in this forum, including earlier in this thread, but no one took the bait!!!

Its entirely true... after the World Hoops Championships in Indy, Pierce was damaged goods in terms of his value. Was thought to be a me first gunner on a bad team who had been part of the worst national team we ever put out - full of egos and backstabbing and selfish play.

Put Carmelo between two pros and winners like Ray Allen and KG and he'd be forced to get his act together and he could achieve greatness. He's in a bad spot.

He needs to find his KG and Doc.... We have the Doc... don't think Rondo counts as the KG....

[Finkelskyhook]

Trade Dooling for Melo ...let KG and Doc explain how to play defense

Snitchster has had good defensive coaches at both the college and pro (Karl) levels for most of his career.  It simply isn't a priority to him. 

The Garnett thing is so overrated.  He'll only influence people who want to win. 

To compare the snitchster to Pierce at any point in his career is absurd.  The only year Pierce had the complete disregard for defense that the snitchster has is the year we tanked.  He even played decent defense during the other Rivers years pre-Thibodeau when nobody else was defending at all. 

[Chelm]

Very true I totally agree you can't win without talent
But my point is that Kobe had a reasonable team, post-Shaq, pre-Gasol
Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, Vuja-Snitch, Caron Butler, a young Bynum
If Kobe was as great as people say he his, he could at least have lead that team past the 1st round at least once
To me he's in the same boat as Vince Carter and Carmelo

If Kobe is a supposed ALL TIME GREAT (regarded as Top 10 or Top 15 by the media), then getting that team past the first round shouldn't be laughable

Are you serious with this? I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

Iverson went to the Finals with lesser talent. Name a person on his 2001 team a good as Lamar Odom
Iverson led his team farther but yet he's labeled as a "cancer", while Kobe is praised
Are you sure you're not the troll?

Dikembe Mutombo in the 2001 playoffs that year averaged 14 points, 14 rebounds and 3.2 blocks per game.  Additionally, he appeared in his 7th All-star game that year and won his 4th NBA defensive player of the year.

Lamar Odom has yet to even make an all-star team once in his entire career.

How can this even be a comparison?

What year did Odom have a greater impact than that?

[EDWARDO]

This Amare injury is going to prevent us from a shot at stealing this "washed up" 27yr old stud (stud in the right system).

[EDWARDO]

Carmelo must be lucky as well as washed up because he's putting up huge numbers the last week or so.

[Fafnir]

Carmelo must be lucky as well as washed up because he's putting up huge numbers the last week or so.

He's playing PF, which is a huge match up problem for most teams to deal with. Plus the spacing of the entire team is a lot better with Melo at the 4, they are surrounding Chandler with four players who can all shoot all the way to the three point line.

[Finkelskyhook]

This Amare injury is going to prevent us from a shot at stealing this "washed up" 27yr old stud (stud in the right system).

What exactly Edwardo, do you think the "right system" for the snitchster is?  

It would have been Rivers' system pre-Garnett/Thibs when defense was a 4-letter word.  

We saw the perfect storm the year Iverson went to the Finals.  Problem is...Woodson is no Larry Brown.  (Neither is Rivers if his is what you're suggesting the right system is)  Chandler is no Mutombo.  And the snitchter is no Tyrone Hill on the boards.  Iverson, arguably the most talented offensive player of that era...Even with the perfect team to complement his talent...Still fell short.

You're not going to see a defense-challenged primadonna win a championship in this era...Regardless of the system.

Just another style that the Knicks are playing.  Like the Lin phenomenom..The league will catch up.

That 4-on-5 defensive philosophy only takes you so far regardless of the scheme.  Want confirmation?  Just ask Los Nash.

[EDWARDO]

System not the right word. Situation is what I should have said. So I agree with you that there's no "system" that works better for him.

But I will reiterate that this guy is far from "washed up". You can say he's being a headcase. You can say he's underperforming his ability and he's been dragging that team down. All that's been true to a large part. But, he's not washed up. He's not a complete nut who is incapable of getting his act together. He's at a very similar crossroads in his career that Pierce was at 7 years ago or so. If Carmelo can find his Doc and KG, then I think you can win with him, but he needs those powerful locker room presences to guide him.

[cman88]

carmelo anthony is a prolific scorer. the guy has a littany of scoring moves...

the problem is though, I dont think he has very high basketball IQ..he doesnt know when to shoot or when to pass for the better option..and thats his downfall.

[indeedproceed]

Watching the Knicks let the game slip away last night with such passivity just reinforced the notion that someone is gonna feast on them in the 1st round. If they make it there.