Pierce offered to Portland - insider

[wdleehi]

Is it is Pierce for Wallace, I hate it.  He is almost 30.  He is not the piece I would want.

I wouldn't mind. Wallace is 5 years younger than Pierce and gives us 5M in cap room next season. And that's only if he takes the player option for next season.

Rondo + Wallace equals NBA no mans land.  Good enough not to get decent draft picks, not good enough to be a contender.


I rather have Piece the rest of the season and next season then Wallace.  He may be older, but he is better.  Wallace has no more upside to grow into.  

Can't the same be said about Rondo+Pierce?

Ainge probably asked for Batum though (with Wallace or more probably paired with a big like Camby).

Pierce is still better then Wallace.

I can understand moving him with the eye towards the future, but not for a lesser already reached their peek player.

I agree he's better, but wouldn't a Rondo+Pierce core leave Boston stuck in mediocrity in the next couple of years?

Pierce has one year left.  His trade value could go up next year. 


I do not like the idea of trading Pierce, but I can understand it if it helps rebuild the Celtics.  Trading for Wallace does not do that.

[Who]

Hopefully not too off topic, but it sounds like the inmates are running the asylum here in the Rose City:

Chad Ford of ESPN.com with some harsh words regarding Portland Trail Blazers guards Raymond Felton and Jamal Crawford...
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Let's just put this way. Either the Blazers find a new home for Raymond Felton and Jamal Crawford (who have quietly orchestrated a mutiny ever since Nate McMillan chewed them out in a video session a while back) or they'll probably have to let Nate go. If I'm a Blazer fan ... I'd rather lose Felton and Crawford. They won't get a lot for either guy, but there is such a thing as addition by subtraction.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/3/14/2871390/felton-and-crawford-quietly-orchestrated-a-mutiny

Nate be be joining Mike D in the bread lines soon. Either that, or Paul Allen tells his lackeys to ship half the team out in the next 24 hours.

They should try to trade Felton back to the Knicks.

[fairweatherfan]

Pierce has one year left.  His trade value could go up next year. 

Two years - he expires in '13-14

[Kane3387]

Pierce has one year left.  His trade value could go up next year. 

Two years - he expires in '13-14

Only 4 mill is guaranteed in the last year though if he is waived by a certain date.

[TA9]

Im curious about what Danny asked for.
Im sure that it isnt Wallace straight up for Pierce.
Portland would be a fool to decline such a trade.
He may have asked for Batum and Matthews?

[fairweatherfan]

Pierce has one year left.  His trade value could go up next year. 

Two years - he expires in '13-14

Only 4 mill is guaranteed in the last year though if he is waived by a certain date.

Interesting - didn't know that.  Man that would stink for the Captain - traded away from his only team then waived a year later to save $$

[LooseCannon]

Knowing Ainge, he probably offered something like Pierce, both 2012 first round picks, and JuJuan Johnson for LaMarcus Aldridge.

[Celtics4ever]

Aldridge is a good player.

Batum and Camby works.

[Kane3387]

Knowing Ainge, he probably offered something like Pierce, both 2012 first round picks, and JuJuan Johnson for LaMarcus Aldridge.

No one on our roster could get LA.

[LooseCannon]

Knowing Ainge, he probably offered something like Pierce, both 2012 first round picks, and JuJuan Johnson for LaMarcus Aldridge.

No one on our roster could get LA.

Well, yeah.  That's not going to stop Ainge from making an offer as ridiculous as asking Indiana for Hansbrough and a first in exchange for Ray Allen.

[Kane3387]

Knowing Ainge, he probably offered something like Pierce, both 2012 first round picks, and JuJuan Johnson for LaMarcus Aldridge.

No one on our roster could get LA.

Well, yeah.  That's not going to stop Ainge from making an offer as ridiculous as asking Indiana for Hansbrough and a first in exchange for Ray Allen.

I didn't think that was bad at all. Hansbrough? He's not part of their future just like he isn't part of ours.

[RyNye]

Yeah, I don't understand why people think Ray Allen for Hansbrough is such an offensively one-sided trade. Hansbrough is not THAT good. He is a decent young player with some upside, and Ray Allen is a proven veteran who can still contribute at a high level. In fact, I would say it is one-sided in Indiana's favor ... every statistical breakdown I can think of to look at, using John Hollinger's stats or otherwise, marks Ray Allen as a better player. Significantly more efficient, for one thing. Hansbrough's value is a little inflated because of the lack of decent big men, but still, he is probably not even a future All-Star. Good sixth man, in my guess.

[LooseCannon]

Knowing Ainge, he probably offered something like Pierce, both 2012 first round picks, and JuJuan Johnson for LaMarcus Aldridge.

No one on our roster could get LA.

Well, yeah.  That's not going to stop Ainge from making an offer as ridiculous as asking Indiana for Hansbrough and a first in exchange for Ray Allen.

I didn't think that was bad at all. Hansbrough? He's not part of their future just like he isn't part of ours.

Hansbrough for Ray Allen or a first round pick for Ray Allen would be overpaying somewhat for a rental.  Both for Ray Allen is a ridiculous price that is way out of line with what that sort of player generally fetches.  If Ray Allen were under contract for 1-2 more seasons, or if the Pacers were well over the cap and likely to use Allen's Bird rights to re-sign him, then it would make sense.  If Hansbrough were a crap player under contract for next season like Ryan Gomes, then it would make sense.  If it would make the Pacers the clear favorites over the Bulls and Heat in the East, then it might make sense.  A few months of Ray Allen for a first round pick and a useful rotation player still on his rookie scale contract who is good enough to earn minutes on a contender does not make sense.

Smart teams rebuild by getting short-sighted, poorly-run teams to overpay for a player such as Ray Allen.  Unfortunately, it seems like teams are a bit wiser these days.

[Jon]

Knowing Ainge, he probably offered something like Pierce, both 2012 first round picks, and JuJuan Johnson for LaMarcus Aldridge.

No one on our roster could get LA.

Well, yeah.  That's not going to stop Ainge from making an offer as ridiculous as asking Indiana for Hansbrough and a first in exchange for Ray Allen.

I didn't think that was bad at all. Hansbrough? He's not part of their future just like he isn't part of ours.

Hansbrough for Ray Allen or a first round pick for Ray Allen would be overpaying somewhat for a rental.  Both for Ray Allen is a ridiculous price that is way out of line with what that sort of player generally fetches.  If Ray Allen were under contract for 1-2 more seasons, or if the Pacers were well over the cap and likely to use Allen's Bird rights to re-sign him, then it would make sense.  If Hansbrough were a crap player under contract for next season like Ryan Gomes, then it would make sense.  If it would make the Pacers the clear favorites over the Bulls and Heat in the East, then it might make sense.  A few months of Ray Allen for a first round pick and a useful rotation player still on his rookie scale contract who is good enough to earn minutes on a contender does not make sense.

Smart teams rebuild by getting short-sighted, poorly-run teams to overpay for a player such as Ray Allen.  Unfortunately, it seems like teams are a bit wiser these days.

Maybe from Indy's perspective.  But I'm very glad Danny didn't make the deal. 

A first round pick from Indiana and Tyler Hansborough would likely leave us in the same place 5 year from now that keeping Ray will: with nothing to show for it. 

The late first round pick has a much better chance of being the next J.R. Kiddsn than the next Rajon Rondo and extending Tyler Hansborough would be putting the cart before the horse; you don't sign your future bench in the NBA before you sign your future starters. 

[Neurotic Guy]

I don't think Danny should think twice about pulling the trigger if he can get good value for Pierce.   I love Pierce, but I guess I just don't care all that much if he retires a Celtic or not.  Finishing his career elsewhere won't diminish anything he did here and he is a professional who I think will understand.

Truth is that life has disappointments -- often lots of them -- and Paul Pierce finishing his NBA career elsewhere wouldn't sit high on my list of disappointments -- and I doubt very strongly that he'll find it too difficult to adjust, even if he is initially disheartened.  He would quickly view it as the next phase of his life -- hopefully a good phase (unless he winds up with the Lakers).

Danny's job is to put the C's in the best position to make the next C's drought as short as possible. Anything he can do to that end I am in favor of.