Trading Ray = Biggest Mistake

[Smutzy#9]

Ray Allen + pieces for a Josh Smith trade makes sense, and we should do it in a heart beat. Considering they have Heinrich playing the 2 spot atm I think he could definatly help that team. Maybe even through JO and in there. I would much rather have pietrus start and then have Moore with Doolings minutes.

Rondo/Bradley
Pietrus/Moore
PP/Pav/Quis
Smith/Bass/Johnson
KG/Wilcox/Steimsma

Then in the off season try and sign jeff green again and have him taking Pauls spot off the bench in a 6th man role. So you have a second line up of atleast

Bradley
Green
Bass

Then also maybe try to sign a decent 2G to help fill in minutes if other trades go down.

[jdz101]

Ray Allen + pieces for a Josh Smith trade makes sense, and we should do it in a heart beat. Considering they have Heinrich playing the 2 spot atm I think he could definatly help that team. Maybe even through JO and in there. I would much rather have pietrus start and then have Moore with Doolings minutes.

Rondo/Bradley
Pietrus/Moore
PP/Pav/Quis
Smith/Bass/Johnson
KG/Wilcox/Steimsma

Then in the off season try and sign jeff green again and have him taking Pauls spot off the bench in a 6th man role. So you have a second line up of atleast

Bradley
Green
Bass

Then also maybe try to sign a decent 2G to help fill in minutes if other trades go down.

This. Just give the hawks Dooling aswell... Heck, just someone take Dooling.

[Celticjay]

Just put Dooling on Craigslist in the free section

[Celticjay]

It would be ideal to trade Pierce instead of ray for J Smith.   I'm sure they'd say "NO THANKS" but that would give us Rondo, J Smith and even more cap space.  Those two with DH12 would be a treat to watch.  It would be rejection city.   If KG resigned on the cheap even better.  If I was dwight and saw Rondo and Smith I would think that could be the start of something special.  D williams is the only one in Jersey.  With KG and say Jeff Green we would look very menacing.

DH
KG
JS
Pietru/AB
Rondo

Jeff Green 6 man.

This team would be the most athletic in the league and Rondo would be the perfect field general for them. 

Seems we either keep Rondo and surround him with athletes, or we trade him.   

[chambers]

This team currently is the 4th or 5th slowest team on offense.

We have the lowest team FGA in the league....

We are virtually a top 10 poorest turnover team in the league based on T0%...

This team requires more efficient players. If we trade one of our most if not the most efficient player it will mark our truest downfall ever.

Not true.
If we could move Ray+Bass or Ray+a pick+Moore, for someone like Josh Smith, this would be an excellent move for now and the future.

Atlanta probably would want our two first round picks +Ray at least though which is a lot to give up.

Pietrus can step in and take Ray's position as a starter. We lose a bit of scoring, but Pietrus is good enough from the 3 point line and his defense is MUCH better than Ray. Particularly guarding players like Wade, Kobe, Iguadala and Hamilton in the play offs.

[j804]

Just put Dooling on Craigslist in the free section

How about on eBay starting at a penny?

[Smutzy#9]

It would be ideal to trade Pierce instead of ray for J Smith.   I'm sure they'd say "NO THANKS" but that would give us Rondo, J Smith and even more cap space.  Those two with DH12 would be a treat to watch.  It would be rejection city.   If KG resigned on the cheap even better.  If I was dwight and saw Rondo and Smith I would think that could be the start of something special.  D williams is the only one in Jersey.  With KG and say Jeff Green we would look very menacing.

DH
KG
JS
Pietru/AB
Rondo

Jeff Green 6 man.

This team would be the most athletic in the league and Rondo would be the perfect field general for them.  

Seems we either keep Rondo and surround him with athletes, or we trade him.  

That would be amazing to watch especially if jeff green re signed. maybe need 1 more guy that could come off the bench to add scoring. But im sure with a season under his belt, several months in the gym and a full training camp JJJ could easily become a 10+ PPG player off the bench.

The key to this process though is keeping Rondo who knows docs system and can lead the team. Rondo is a better PG than Westbrook when it comes to actually leading a team and being a floor general. Steve Nash and Tony Parker are the only other PG's id really consider over Rondo in that category atm. Thibs and Rose will be god like in that sense in a season or 2.

Add Jason Kidd in there as well.

[greenlion]

i have never been a proponent of any trade, much more ray-ray...i want him retiring as a celtic, hell with the business side of the nba..i pray that DA sticks it out with the team with one last push..

[Smutzy#9]

Knowing the way DA thinks he would be like "Ray we need to talk. Im going to trade you, with some assets to get Josh Smith. Then at the end of the year im going to re sign you, and you and jeff are going to be our go to guys coming off the bench"

I would actually face role if something like this happened.

[anthony83]

Ray should be untouchable, he has to retire as a Celtic.
I do not know, Ray is like Reggie Miller, he still has a privileged physical.
Reggie Miller 36/37 years remained to be a killer, Allen as well.
They are special players, and I repeat, Ray Allen is still the best shooter in the league, I do not understand these rumors.

[PosImpos]

Ray should be untouchable, he has to retire as a Celtic.
I do not know, Ray is like Reggie Miller, he still has a privileged physical.
Reggie Miller 36/37 years remained to be a killer, Allen as well.
They are special players, and I repeat, Ray Allen is still the best shooter in the league, I do not understand these rumors.

Ray is a great shooter, and it would be nice if he could retire a Celtic.

But practically speaking, it just doesn't make sense.  Ray is at the end of his career, and he doesn' have much value to a team that isn't contending for a championship.  Ideally, at this point he should be coming off the bench and hitting big shots for some team looking to go on a deep playoff run. 

If the Celtics can get any reasonably valuable future assets for him as they look to start rebuilding this summer, they should, all sentimentality aside.

[anthony83]

Ray should be untouchable, he has to retire as a Celtic.
I do not know, Ray is like Reggie Miller, he still has a privileged physical.
Reggie Miller 36/37 years remained to be a killer, Allen as well.
They are special players, and I repeat, Ray Allen is still the best shooter in the league, I do not understand these rumors.

Ray is a great shooter, and it would be nice if he could retire a Celtic.

But practically speaking, it just doesn't make sense.  Ray is at the end of his career, and he doesn' have much value to a team that isn't contending for a championship.  Ideally, at this point he should be coming off the bench and hitting big shots for some team looking to go on a deep playoff run. 

If the Celtics can get any reasonably valuable future assets for him as they look to start rebuilding this summer, they should, all sentimentality aside.

 Ray has to stay in Boston, and next year to resign for less ,money, nothing more.

[Smutzy#9]

Ray should be untouchable, he has to retire as a Celtic.
I do not know, Ray is like Reggie Miller, he still has a privileged physical.
Reggie Miller 36/37 years remained to be a killer, Allen as well.
They are special players, and I repeat, Ray Allen is still the best shooter in the league, I do not understand these rumors.

Ray is a great shooter, and it would be nice if he could retire a Celtic.

But practically speaking, it just doesn't make sense.  Ray is at the end of his career, and he doesn' have much value to a team that isn't contending for a championship.  Ideally, at this point he should be coming off the bench and hitting big shots for some team looking to go on a deep playoff run. 

If the Celtics can get any reasonably valuable future assets for him as they look to start rebuilding this summer, they should, all sentimentality aside.

 Ray has to stay in Boston, and next year to resign for less ,money, nothing more.

Lets not forget that people are running a business here. Businesses try and make money, this one trys to win Rings (and of course money). If trading away Ray and assets means we get Josh Smith that is good for business in my eyes, and im sure it is good in alot of other peoples eyes.

Dont get me wrong I love the big 3 and Rondo and have since my mate got me into basketball towards the end of 06 and when the trade went down. And they won a ring together and should be inducted into the HoF together as well.

But they are getting close to the ends of their careers. Always sad to see great ones retire (look at Shaq) but if it means helping an organisation you love in the process i think Ray can live with himself for not retiring a Celtic.

Plus DA could always do a shifty and re sign him next season

[chambers]

Ray should be untouchable, he has to retire as a Celtic.
I do not know, Ray is like Reggie Miller, he still has a privileged physical.
Reggie Miller 36/37 years remained to be a killer, Allen as well.
They are special players, and I repeat, Ray Allen is still the best shooter in the league, I do not understand these rumors.

Sorry, but if it's a chance to get Josh Smith, he is 100% being moved. Why does he have to retire a Celtic? He's played here since 2008, it's not like he's been here his whole career. He won a ring with us and that's what he'll be remembered for.
We can't let opportunities to make ourselves stronger for the future just slip away for nostalgic purposes.
Ray is a step slower than he was in 08. He joined us as a veteran. That was almost 5 years ago.
Throw Pietrus in the starting line up and Josh Smith at the 4, with KG at the Center spot. Ceratinly makes us a much stronger team. Pietrus guarding Wade, Smith guarding Bosh or Anthony. You could even have Pierce guard Anthony and Smith guard Lebron with his length.
Our defense would just be amazing and Smith would give us rebounding+points in the paint AND run with Rondo all night.
No one is untradeable for the right deal, especially someone who's only been with us for less than 5 years.

[Celtics4ever]

Ray has to stay in Boston, and next year to resign for less ,money, nothing more.

This is not the Brother's Grimm or Mother Goose in other words it's real life not a fairy tale.   If he can bring back good trade value he is gone.