Trading Ray = Biggest Mistake

[LB3533]

This team currently is the 4th or 5th slowest team on offense.

We have the lowest team FGA in the league....

We are virtually a top 10 poorest turnover team in the league based on T0%...

This team requires more efficient players. If we trade one of our most if not the most efficient player it will mark our truest downfall ever.

[indeedproceed]

This team currently is the 4th or 5th slowest team on offense.

We have the lowest team FGA in the league....

We are virtually a top 10 poorest turnover team in the league based on T0%...

This team requires more efficient players. If we trade one of our most if not the most efficient player it will mark our truest downfall ever.

Trading any one of the Big 3, because of their assumed value (I'm not buying the KG for Josh Smith stuff for a second), will nearly guarantee a 'downfall'.

But, if you assume that the team is not a contender as is, and no trade will make it one with the current core, trading anyone of them comes down to future value anyways, so a 'downfall' is expected, and possibly encouraged (to make our lotto odds better).

Not saying I fall on either side (trust in Danny), just that it's another way to look at it.

[Celtics4ever]

I don't think so.    He is our worst perimeter defender out of the starters. 

I am in the mindset that this team can't win a title so it is time to rebuild.

[PosImpos]

I love Ray, but he's a high level role player at this point in his career.

[Evantime34]

I think Ray will be moved, he is a player that thrives when other players create a shot for him on a team that can't create. This means he will be much more effective on another team.

[2short]

Ray will be wanted by many contending teams so danny will be listening.  And if we can trade him and ? for josh smith you don't hesitate on that one.  Class act guy though and I'd miss him but ray has been traded before

[kozlodoev]

This team currently is the 4th or 5th slowest team on offense.

We have the lowest team FGA in the league....

We are virtually a top 10 poorest turnover team in the league based on T0%...

This team requires more efficient players. If we trade one of our most if not the most efficient player it will mark our truest downfall ever.

There's nothing efficient in waiting for Allen to run through 35 screens so that you can pass him the ball. There's more to efficiency than shooting percentages.

[Change]

Ray Allen from now on is a bench player. There's a chance he refuses that role, and DA ships him somewhere else to try an curtail locker room problems rising from it. Frankly, I'm not sure even at this stage of his career Ray Allen thinks of himself as bench player.

Another possibility DA thinks Ray Allen signs with another team next year. Out of big3 I think Ray Allen is the least loyal. Thats the impression I got when he was FA 2 years ago. Had another team stepped up offered him more money Ray Allen wouldn't be here right now. I'm fairly certain this offseason he is going to the highest bidder, and it won't be the Celtics.

[PosImpos]

Ray Allen from now on is a bench player. There's a chance he refuses that role, and DA ships him somewhere else to try an curtail locker room problems rising from it. Frankly, I'm not sure even at this stage of his career Ray Allen thinks of himself as bench player.

Another possibility DA thinks Ray Allen signs with another team next year. Out of big3 I think Ray Allen is the least loyal. Thats the impression I got when he was FA 2 years ago. Had another team stepped up offered him more money Ray Allen wouldn't be here right now. I'm fairly certain this offseason he is going to the highest bidder, and it won't be the Celtics.

I think Allen is more loyal than you suggest, but I also don't think the Celtics will be in a position to bring back Ray this summer, so it makes sense to get anything they can for him now.

[indeedproceed]

Ray Allen V Grant Hill: Who has the higher value this second, right now?

[mustang]

He's probably a little less loyal than the other two guys, who've been traded a grand total of once between them (and KG had a lot of say in that one deal), but that's probably because he's experienced the business end of the game more.

I think Allen fits in fine as a starter and 3rd or 4th option in a Rondo-led, fast paced offense.  If the offense continues to be designed around Pierce (not saying that's a bad thing), then you might as well get Josh Smith, who loves to play just as slow as 34 does.

[Evantime34]

Ray Allen V Grant Hill: Who has the higher value this second, right now?

I think it depends on the team. Ray is better at converting an opportunity set up for him by someone else where hill is better at creating his own opportunity (shot or drive). I think Hill would be a better fit for us but I see Ray as being more in demand throughout the league since most contenders have good creators.

[PosImpos]

Ray Allen V Grant Hill: Who has the higher value this second, right now?

Ray, no doubt.

[Smokeeye123]

This team currently is the 4th or 5th slowest team on offense.

We have the lowest team FGA in the league....

We are virtually a top 10 poorest turnover team in the league based on T0%...

This team requires more efficient players. If we trade one of our most if not the most efficient player it will mark our truest downfall ever.

Ray Allen is a mediocre passer and his passes are prone to TO's...And I'm pretty sure Ray Allen isn't helping our speed game.

[cman88]

I would only trade Ray Allen if it netted us say..Josh Smith

as good as Ray is, you would be getting a borderline allstar power-forward who hasnt yet really reached his prime.

other than that, I dont see trading him for role players..and according to WOJ if we dont get solid young players for our big 3..he would rather let them expire