Challenging the Green-Tinted view of Rondo

[2short]

We get a rebound and the ball goes to rondo for a fast break opportunity then unless you are willis reed playing on 1 leg, everyone needs to fill a lane.  No excuses for not running the floor and no finger pointing either, run hard, raise your hand for a sub.

[OsirusCeltics]

Wait a minute. We beat the Lakers with Rondo for a title, came up against them again and barely lost.
I don't get the logic. His shooters have lost their athleticism and ability to compete with younger players- getting open for those wide open shots is a step harder.

The game has also evolved from 2008-2010.
The Thunder and the Heat are the dominant forces with offensive speed and athleticism.
Memphis and Chicago are trying to create hybrids of the 2008+2012  era with rebounding size whilst being able to run the floor and abuse match ups in the paint.

1. Rondo wasn't much of a factor in that 2008 championship team. He was like the 6th option after Pierce, Garnett, Ray, Posey, and Eddie House. He played an awesome game 6 in the Finals though

2. Thunder and the Heat aren't the dominant forces since they never won a title. I never said athletic teams never win the title. Micheal Jordan's Bulls are a perfect example. The fact that you run doesn't give you any advantage in winning a title, cause they game slows down in the playoffs

[OmarSekou]

1. Rondo wasn't much of a factor in that 2008 championship team. He was like the 6th option after Pierce, Garnett, Ray, Posey, and Eddie House

Rondo was the 6th scoring option. He was the 1st option to handle the ball and run the show. He was a major factor and the 4th most important guy on our team that year. I'm tired of the Rondo was along for the ride routine. He was the driver. Yeah, he was on his permit and the Big 3 had to look over him, but he was the driver.

[BballTim]

Wait a minute. We beat the Lakers with Rondo for a title, came up against them again and barely lost.
I don't get the logic. His shooters have lost their athleticism and ability to compete with younger players- getting open for those wide open shots is a step harder.

The game has also evolved from 2008-2010.
The Thunder and the Heat are the dominant forces with offensive speed and athleticism.
Memphis and Chicago are trying to create hybrids of the 2008+2012  era with rebounding size whilst being able to run the floor and abuse match ups in the paint.

1. Rondo wasn't much of a factor in that 2008 championship team. He was like the 6th option after Pierce, Garnett, Ray, Posey, and Eddie House. He played an awesome game 6 in the Finals though

  He also had 15/5/7 in game 1 and 16 assists in game 2. He scored double figures in 15 playoff games, 15 or more 6 times, with 7 or more assists 12 times. Posey didn't take more shots or score more points per minute than Rondo, Eddie scored 2.5 a game and didn't even play in 5 of the games. Did you even see the playoffs that year?

[CeltsAcumen]

I think sometimes people forget that the PG position is usually not a primary scoring position.  Just bc Allen Iverson, John Wall, Westbrook and C. Paul are shoot first pgs does not mean Rondo is inferior.

He is a play making pg and his job is to get out and get the ball to the open people and to put pressure on the opposing team's pg.

The Celts will regret giving up a point guard with Rondo's skill set and talent level.  I mean if you asked Kobe Bryant if he would take Rondo, he would probably pay for Rondo's condo in LA.  Rondo has very few options on an aging, slow and out of shape team.  

Lets not get crazy and say the guy is overrated.

[OsirusCeltics]

The perceptions of those who want Rondo gone are just as green tinted as the ones of those who want him to stay.  I'm sure that if many of the more "objective" fans were watching Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, or Derrick Rose play for 82 (or 66) games per season, they'd be picking apart those players' flaws as well.

It's a matter of perspective.  For many fans the grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence.  

I don't think its a matter of perspective. I don't like Westbrook or Derrick Rose's game, cause I can pick them apart that they are shooting guards masquerading as point guards, and have little to no court vision. I actually like Rondo more than those two. I just don't think Rondo fits this team

[Celtics18]

The perceptions of those who want Rondo gone are just as green tinted as the ones of those who want him to stay.  I'm sure that if many of the more "objective" fans were watching Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, or Derrick Rose play for 82 (or 66) games per season, they'd be picking apart those players' flaws as well.

It's a matter of perspective.  For many fans the grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence.  

I don't think its a matter of perspective. I don't like Westbrook or Derrick Rose's game, cause I can pick them apart that they are shooting guards masquerading as point guards, and have little to no court vision. I actually like Rondo more than those two. I just don't think Rondo fits this team

I do.  When he's in a good flow and Paul and Kevin and the rest of the guys get in it with him, this team is fun to watch and can still be very, very good.

[kenmaine]

The perceptions of those who want Rondo gone are just as green tinted as the ones of those who want him to stay.  I'm sure that if many of the more "objective" fans were watching Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, or Derrick Rose play for 82 (or 66) games per season, they'd be picking apart those players' flaws as well.

It's a matter of perspective.  For many fans the grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence.  

I don't think its a matter of perspective. I don't like Westbrook or Derrick Rose's game, cause I can pick them apart that they are shooting guards masquerading as point guards, and have little to no court vision. I actually like Rondo more than those two. I just don't think Rondo fits this team

[kenmaine]

The perceptions of those who want Rondo gone are just as green tinted as the ones of those who want him to stay.  I'm sure that if many of the more "objective" fans were watching Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, or Derrick Rose play for 82 (or 66) games per season, they'd be picking apart those players' flaws as well.

It's a matter of perspective.  For many fans the grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence.  

I don't think its a matter of perspective. I don't like Westbrook or Derrick Rose's game, cause I can pick them apart that they are shooting guards masquerading as point guards, and have little to no court vision. I actually like Rondo more than those two. I just don't think Rondo fits this team

Sorry, but Rondo doesn't fit WHAT team? Only Rondo and the big three are left from the previous year or two, and at least one and probably two of the big three will be gone next year. So the team, if DA keeps up with his constant shuffling of the deck, will be different again next year.
My "green-tinted glasses" tell me that Rondo is one of the top 3 to 5 pgs in basketball, who also rebounds, and rises to the occasion in the playoffs. And with his "reasonable" contract the C's have about $5 million left over to spend elsewhere.
To me the Rondo hatred and scapegoating is bizarre. I love all the gossipers and wannabe insiders and "coaches" who constantly minimize Rondo's game, or say that he can't carry a team. What point guard can? Magic Johnson ain't walking through that door.
Anyway, if DA trades him, it'll be a long time before anyone comparable comes along. But it won't be long before the cbloggers pick apart his replacement 

[BballTim]

The half court play is when Rondo's glaring weaknesses comes to play. He hogs the ball alot. He stands at the top of the key, dirbbles for 20 seconds and stagnates the offense.

  Hopefully you noticed that with Ray out of the lineup we weren't watching Rondo "dribbling for 20 seconds and stagnating the offense". Like it or not, that's not Rondo's bad habit, it's the team trying to get Ray open for a three.

[mctyson]

The half court play is when Rondo's glaring weaknesses comes to play. He hogs the ball alot. He stands at the top of the key, dirbbles for 20 seconds and stagnates the offense.

  Hopefully you noticed that with Ray out of the lineup we weren't watching Rondo "dribbling for 20 seconds and stagnating the offense". Like it or not, that's not Rondo's bad habit, it's the team trying to get Ray open for a three.

This x 10000.  TP for you.

[Celtics4ever]

Hopefully you noticed that with Ray out of the lineup we weren't watching Rondo "dribbling for 20 seconds and stagnating the offense". Like it or not, that's not Rondo's bad habit, it's the team trying to get Ray open for a three.

Sadly I think Ray will be traded if they can do it.

[CelticsFanNC]

The half court play is when Rondo's glaring weaknesses comes to play. He hogs the ball alot. He stands at the top of the key, dirbbles for 20 seconds and stagnates the offense.

  Hopefully you noticed that with Ray out of the lineup we weren't watching Rondo "dribbling for 20 seconds and stagnating the offense". Like it or not, that's not Rondo's bad habit, it's the team trying to get Ray open for a three.

  Exactly.  I love what Ray Allen has brought to the Celtic's but he is the reason the offense slows down to a crawl and Rondo dribbles out the shot clock waiting for him to clear multiple screens.  That is by design, it not on Rondo.

[greenlion]

i beg to disagree, i love rondo but his pace is really favoring the opponents for them to set up..are you all saying that everytime they are together, him and ray, all the set plays are geared towards ray? what about pierce& kg? that's far from what i see when bradley is inside, he pushes the ball hard, way ahead of the opposing team, creating this small gap on defense which we can capitalize..i wonder. since rondo is more freakishly athletic but he is not taking advantage of that, bradley is improving in all sorts of ways, makes you think about DA and doc's sincerity on keeping rajon..

[scaryjerry]

I think people are blind to the fact that every player in the league has defincies, plays inconsistently from night to night, other than maybe lebron and durant, I think people are very blind to the fact hes the only core member of the celtics that has improved drastically since we won a championship and the pieces around him are decaying and much more inconsitent,....I also really dont think celtics fans hold him to any higher standard then the rest of the leagues fans....some hate him, some fans would trade great pieces for him in a heartbeat, much like alot of celtics fans arent crazy about him and would trade him in a second and others see no wrong with him at all.
Chris Paul and Deron Williams both got traded, both were malcontents, and Chris Paul and Deron Williams went into the tank after the hornets/jazz traded/didnt sign tyson chandler/carlos boozer...much like rondo after the perkins deal...yet you never hear the spin on their cases like you do with rondo