Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley

[Inside-Out]

We've all been assuming that Minny is looking for garbage+picks for Beasley.

But given their needs (shooting, shooting, and shooting in that order), I bet they are asking for Ray.

It also makes sense that NJ is a logical partner, they have a surplus of shooters.

In fact, the Gerald Green signing makes a lot more sense if NJ is going to trade Morrow.

True.

Perhaps a big deal is a better deal in this case:

Ray, Dooling, and Bass

for

Beasley, Ridnour, and Darko.

Start Pietrus, and bring Ridnour, Bradley, Beasley, Wilcox, and Darko off the bench (or start Darko for JO).

Rondo/Ridnour
Pietrus/Bradley
Pierce/Beasley
KG/Wilcox
Darko/JO

Looks pretty solid, 1-10.

It wouldn't be worth it, in my opinion, to take on a contract like Darko's unless we're getting a big enough upgrade that we suddenly jump back to definite-contender status.  I don't think adding Beasley and Darko while removing Ray would do that.  I think there's a good chance we'd be worse, actually.

Darko's contract is for less than $5M per year.  That is incredibly cheap, especially compared to what rotation centers are getting these days.

[indeedproceed]

There is a reason he gets more run then anyone else after the big 4.

I think that reason is that he came in ready to play and KG's minutes are limited, while Wilcox had and early injury and is needed at the 5, JO is on minutes/health watch, and Steimsma and JJ are rookies and aren't ready for big minutes.

I rank our bigs as follows:

KG
Wilcox
JO (if/when healthy)
Bass
JJJ
Steimsma

The top 4 make the rotation.

We have one heck of a drop off from #1 to #2 any way you slice it.  If either Wilcox or Bass are your #2 big, your team is in trouble.  Ditto if your #3 big can't stay healthy and available to play on a consistent basis.

I'd very gladly trade any of them except KG (for this year's run) and JJJ (for the future).  The rest should be very available.  The idea that we NEED Brandon Bass just doesn't make any sense to me, even though he has played and does play well in a limited role.

I agree they don't 'need' brandon bass in the way that they should hold him out of a deal that would upgrade the team's core talent, but he's playing better than any of our bigs not named KG.

[heitingas]

JO, and a 1st (top 20 protected in 2014) for Beasley and Randolph.

We need to send a filler too Minnesota to make it work.

[letsgoblue86]

I'm shocked that Beasley is still only 23 years old, this just blew me away.  Him and JaJuan are the same age...

[Boris Badenov]

I will get crucified for this, but I would take Darko, Beasley and a pick for Ray.

We not going to win this year. Nor, in my opinion, is our cap room going to be worth much this summer. We stand a near-zero chance of getting one of the top assets, and we don't want to waste money on someone worse.

We need assets, and getting Beasley and a pick is worth the small price of taking on the Darko contract (which expires after 12/13 anyway).

Maybe Beasley or the pick turns into a valuable trade chip (3 #1s this year increases our odds of trading up, among other things). Darko will be tradeable too.

If none of these possibilities pans out, we haven't lost much.

[birdwatcher]

Bass eliminates any need for him whatsoever.

Completely agree

How does an undersized career backup PF eliminate any need for a highly skilled explosive scoring combo forward?

I don't consider Beasley a combo forward. I consider him an undersized PF.

In terms of future potential, there is a considerable difference there in Beasley's favour.

However, in terms of current ability and value to the Celtics this season, I do not think Beasley provides anything more valuable than what Bass brings to the table.

It's not really an argument of whether or not Beasly would be an upgrade over Bass, it's that we are short on bigs that can contribute, and Bass is really the only one who has shown any offense. Beasly can stretch the floor and really open things up, and if they ship JO out and possibly JaJuan (?), KG will be playing alot of C, and if Wilcox can get healthy (which is another reason to pursue this), he will be splitting time at C as well. Beasly could even play some SF depending on the matchup which would give Pierce a break. Its conceivable to see Beasly and Bass on the floor at the same time. As others have said, it's a good example of Low Risk/High Reward, and although we'd miss some of JO's defense that doesn't show in the stat sheet, its likely he isn't going to be on the floor much from here on out anyway. I say go get him, Danny!

[PosImpos]

I will get crucified for this, but I would take Darko, Beasley and a pick for Ray.

We not going to win this year. Nor, in my opinion, is our cap room going to be worth much this summer. We stand a near-zero chance of getting one of the top assets, and we don't want to waste money on someone worse.

We need assets, and getting Beasley and a pick is worth the small price of taking on the Darko contract (which expires after 12/13 anyway).

Maybe Beasley or the pick turns into a valuable trade chip (3 #1s this year increases our odds of trading up, among other things). Darko will be tradeable too.

If none of these possibilities pans out, we haven't lost much.

I can understand your reasoning behind this, but I would challenge the premise that Beasley has much value as a prospect, or that he ever will.  

I don't think  he's ever going to be much more valuable than a player like Marvin Williams or Trevor Ariza (and he's not even there yet).  I suspect that he's always going to be the kind of player who expects to make more money than he's really worth.  I'd rather sign Green to a one year deal and see what he's got than acquire Beasley and try to turn him into something.  Green has a better chance of becoming a quality starter, in my opinion.

[Inside-Out]

I will get crucified for this, but I would take Darko, Beasley and a pick for Ray.

We not going to win this year. Nor, in my opinion, is our cap room going to be worth much this summer. We stand a near-zero chance of getting one of the top assets, and we don't want to waste money on someone worse.

We need assets, and getting Beasley and a pick is worth the small price of taking on the Darko contract (which expires after 12/13 anyway).

Maybe Beasley or the pick turns into a valuable trade chip (3 #1s this year increases our odds of trading up, among other things). Darko will be tradeable too.

If none of these possibilities pans out, we haven't lost much.

You get a TP for that.

Darko/KG would be pretty good defensively, maybe VERY good.  It also moves JO to his natural backup C role.

Beasley gets to play the 6th man role for which he is suited, giving us much needed offense off the bench.

We get to start Pietrus at SG, improving quickness and defense without giving up much shooting at the loss of Ray.

As the Guiness guys used to say:  BRILLIANT!

[PosImpos]

We've all been assuming that Minny is looking for garbage+picks for Beasley.

But given their needs (shooting, shooting, and shooting in that order), I bet they are asking for Ray.

It also makes sense that NJ is a logical partner, they have a surplus of shooters.

In fact, the Gerald Green signing makes a lot more sense if NJ is going to trade Morrow.

True.

Perhaps a big deal is a better deal in this case:

Ray, Dooling, and Bass

for

Beasley, Ridnour, and Darko.

Start Pietrus, and bring Ridnour, Bradley, Beasley, Wilcox, and Darko off the bench (or start Darko for JO).

Rondo/Ridnour
Pietrus/Bradley
Pierce/Beasley
KG/Wilcox
Darko/JO

Looks pretty solid, 1-10.

It wouldn't be worth it, in my opinion, to take on a contract like Darko's unless we're getting a big enough upgrade that we suddenly jump back to definite-contender status.  I don't think adding Beasley and Darko while removing Ray would do that.  I think there's a good chance we'd be worse, actually.

Darko's contract is for less than $5M per year.  That is incredibly cheap, especially compared to what rotation centers are getting these days.

But what are we getting out of adding him?  We get slightly better, which still isn't likely to win us a playoff series this year.

I'd rather keep JO, let him expire, and gamble on a center with some upside -- like Mahinmi -- who we could sign to a deal similar to Darko's.

[Chris]

I will get crucified for this, but I would take Darko, Beasley and a pick for Ray.

You shouldn't get crucified for that.  I think that is tremendous value for Ray.  Beasley immediately replaces a large amount of his scoring (even if its less efficient, this team needs guys who can put the ball in the basket, efficient or not...and Beasley might be more consistent at this point in his career), while not giving up much defensively (Pierce can cover most SGs, and Beasley can defend 3's as well as Ray covers 2's), you improve the rebounding, both with Beasley and by adding Darko.  

Also, Darko has become a very underrated defensive center.

So, if they could get a pick along with that...its an absolute steal IMO.  

The only downside is that you are adding salary for next year in Darko...but you aren't likely to find a significantly better center who makes less than him on the open market anyways, so he is an asset.  

[PosImpos]

I will get crucified for this, but I would take Darko, Beasley and a pick for Ray.

You shouldn't get crucified for that.  I think that is tremendous value for Ray.  Beasley immediately replaces a large amount of his scoring (even if its less efficient, this team needs guys who can put the ball in the basket, efficient or not...and Beasley might be more consistent at this point in his career), while not giving up much defensively (Pierce can cover most SGs, and Beasley can defend 3's as well as Ray covers 2's), you improve the rebounding, both with Beasley and by adding Darko. 

Also, Darko has become a very underrated defensive center.

So, if they could get a pick along with that...its an absolute steal IMO. 

The only downside is that you are adding salary for next year in Darko...but you aren't likely to find a significantly better center who makes less than him on the open market anyways, so he is an asset. 

Does it improve us enough to win us a championship this season, though?

If it doesn't, what do we get out of it after this season other than a long term contract in Darko?  Would the plan be to sign Beasley to a long term contract?  There's no way he'll expect to make what he's actually worth.

So all we'd really get for the future is a pick, which would have to be a 2nd rounder, if Minnie is willing to surrender one at all.

Cap space is more valuable to a rebuilding team than a 2nd round pick and Darko Milicic.

[cman88]

Beasly could play a lot of 3 on this team and move pietris to the 2 spot....beasley is a scorer while pietrus is a one dimensional 3point shooter on offense.

I wouldn't trade bass...but jo or some other players sure...the guy averaged 19ppg last year. And for a team near the bottom of the league in offense this is the type of player we need

[PosImpos]

Beasly could play a lot of 3 on this team and move pietris to the 2 spot....beasley is a scorer while pietrus is a one dimensional 3point shooter on offense.

I wouldn't trade bass...but jo or some other players sure...the guy averaged 19ppg last year. And for a team near the bottom of the league in offense this is the type of player we need

Adding an inefficient gunner to a team that struggles to score doesn't necessarily improve that team's offense.  Especially when the biggest issue with the Celtics' offense is the lack of an inside threat.  Most of Beasley's shots are the worst kind -- long two pointers.

[WeMadeIt17]

I would take him but not for anything crazy like Ray. Beasley could be a very good running mate with Rondo. Shooting not terrible this year at 45% from the Field and 42% from downtown which is very good. If we get the twolves on a low ball offer then do it, cause if it doesn't work out then his near 7 million is off the books. If he does fit in we have money to spend to resign him and a young 23 year old scorer who could be another block for the future. I also think he needs a good kick in the ass (sorry for foul mouth) but with people like KG and Pierce to players that could help his game a lot this could be the best thing for him.

[Change]

Bunch of elitist poster on CB. In a heartbeat I'd trade for Beasley.