Vecsey mentioned C's are targeting Beasley

[CelticG1]

Can people at least admit that Beasley would be scoring more and rebounding more than Bass?

No, because Bass is actually rebounding more. Beasley might score more, but it would be at a worse shooting %.

Does bass offer anything but shooting ? I mean he's getting blocked under the rim at the same rate big baby used to

Its actually worse, if you can believe it.

Would KC be doing better with Calderon because he is mote efficient

KC? Kirk Cameron? He's doing God's work, I doubt Calderon would help.

Ha on my phone OKC

Ok how about this. Beasley is more talented has more potential and can score in more ways?

Bass as stated before is an ideal 7th 8th man. I just don't see the risk in bringing the guy in as a rental unless you think this team has a solid chance at contending now.

We are below 500 now, are you really worried about Beasley making us that much worse?

[Boris Badenov]

We've all been assuming that Minny is looking for garbage+picks for Beasley.

But given their needs (shooting, shooting, and shooting in that order), I bet they are asking for Ray.

It also makes sense that NJ is a logical partner, they have a surplus of shooters.

In fact, the Gerald Green signing makes a lot more sense if NJ is going to trade Morrow.

[Kane3387]

Bass is our best offensive rebounder.

Nope.  JO, Wilcox, Stiemsma and even JJ (slightly) have all been better on the offensive boards this year.

Bass gets 1.6 a game for the highest on the team.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/

[PosImpos]

We've all been assuming that Minny is looking for garbage+picks for Beasley.

But given their needs (shooting, shooting, and shooting in that order), I bet they are asking for Ray.

It also makes sense that NJ is a logical partner, they have a surplus of shooters.

In fact, the Gerald Green signing makes a lot more sense if NJ is going to trade Morrow.

On the contrary, I think what Minnie needs most is veteran leaders and wing defenders.  Shooting is a plus, too, but with Ridnour / Barea / Rubio / Love / Johnson / Webster / Tolliver (not to mention Brad Miller) they have a lot of guys that can slot into various positions and spread the floor.

[cman88]

I would trade jo for beasly any time...scoring is a big problem for us and he would help that

[Inside-Out]

We've all been assuming that Minny is looking for garbage+picks for Beasley.

But given their needs (shooting, shooting, and shooting in that order), I bet they are asking for Ray.

It also makes sense that NJ is a logical partner, they have a surplus of shooters.

In fact, the Gerald Green signing makes a lot more sense if NJ is going to trade Morrow.

True.

Perhaps a big deal is a better deal in this case:

Ray, Dooling, and Bass

for

Beasley, Ridnour, and Darko.

Start Pietrus, and bring Ridnour, Bradley, Beasley, Wilcox, and Darko off the bench (or start Darko for JO).

Rondo/Ridnour
Pietrus/Bradley
Pierce/Beasley
KG/Wilcox
Darko/JO

Looks pretty solid, 1-10.

[indeedproceed]

Bass is our best offensive rebounder.

Nope.  JO, Wilcox, Stiemsma and even JJ (slightly) have all been better on the offensive boards this year.

Bass gets 1.6 a game for the highest on the team.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/

Look at ORB% (means % of available offensive rebounds each player gets while he's on the floor), its a much more accurate gauge of how well someone is rebounding. Bass is 5th.

[snively]

Bass is our best offensive rebounder.

Nope.  JO, Wilcox, Stiemsma and even JJ (slightly) have all been better on the offensive boards this year.

Bass gets 1.6 a game for the highest on the team.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/

I was going off of ORB%.  The only reason Bass has more is because he's playing more minutes than any other big other than KG (our worst offensive rebounding big).

The KG/Bass tandem has really struggled on the offensive boards.  A big reason why our offense has struggled so much. 

That said, Beasley wouldn't help in that area.

[Kane3387]

Bass is our best offensive rebounder.

Nope.  JO, Wilcox, Stiemsma and even JJ (slightly) have all been better on the offensive boards this year.

Bass gets 1.6 a game for the highest on the team.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/

Look at ORB% (means % of available offensive rebounds each player gets while he's on the floor), its a much more accurate gauge of how well someone is rebounding. Bass is 5th.

Lol stay out of this IP! JK!  Ok so I didn't research that as well as I could have. Fact is Bass is playing very well. He fits well and I would rather move the other bigs before him if at all possible. There is a reason he gets more run then anyone else after the big 4.

[Kane3387]

Bass is our best offensive rebounder.

Nope.  JO, Wilcox, Stiemsma and even JJ (slightly) have all been better on the offensive boards this year.

Bass gets 1.6 a game for the highest on the team.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/

I was going off of ORB%.  The only reason Bass has more is because he's playing more minutes than any other big other than KG (our worst offensive rebounding big).

The KG/Bass tandem has really struggled on the offensive boards.  A big reason why our offense has struggled so much. 

That said, Beasley wouldn't help in that area.

I wouldn't trade Bass for Beasley but I would welcome Beasley to the team for say JO or in some other bigger trade like for Pau Gasol.

[PosImpos]

We've all been assuming that Minny is looking for garbage+picks for Beasley.

But given their needs (shooting, shooting, and shooting in that order), I bet they are asking for Ray.

It also makes sense that NJ is a logical partner, they have a surplus of shooters.

In fact, the Gerald Green signing makes a lot more sense if NJ is going to trade Morrow.

True.

Perhaps a big deal is a better deal in this case:

Ray, Dooling, and Bass

for

Beasley, Ridnour, and Darko.

Start Pietrus, and bring Ridnour, Bradley, Beasley, Wilcox, and Darko off the bench (or start Darko for JO).

Rondo/Ridnour
Pietrus/Bradley
Pierce/Beasley
KG/Wilcox
Darko/JO

Looks pretty solid, 1-10.

It wouldn't be worth it, in my opinion, to take on a contract like Darko's unless we're getting a big enough upgrade that we suddenly jump back to definite-contender status.  I don't think adding Beasley and Darko while removing Ray would do that.  I think there's a good chance we'd be worse, actually.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Michael Beasley's problem is that he makes a lot of negative contributions to his own team. He has dodgy shot selection, turns the ball over too often, weak man-to-man and team defense. Is inconsistent in his focus and effort. All areas that create negative value for his own basketball team.

Sounds like the rest of our team, so why wouldn't he fit?  

Seriously, though, I've never thought of Bass and Beasley as the same type of player. They're both decent rebounders, but Bass is more about knocking down open Js, whereas Beasley is more of a pure scorer (albeit his shooting %s aren't always great). And according to ESPN, Beasley's 6-10, two inches taller than Bass, yet seems to be quicker ... so couldn't you play Beasley at the 3 and Bass at the 4?

[ManUp]

So Vecsey is telling us Ainge is interested in the immature gunner version of Jeff Green? Michael Beasley the turnover prone, tweener, who's an inefficient scorer, reluctant passer, below average rebounder, and has character issues. I don't think Danny would do that to himself.

[Boris Badenov]

We've all been assuming that Minny is looking for garbage+picks for Beasley.

But given their needs (shooting, shooting, and shooting in that order), I bet they are asking for Ray.

It also makes sense that NJ is a logical partner, they have a surplus of shooters.

In fact, the Gerald Green signing makes a lot more sense if NJ is going to trade Morrow.

On the contrary, I think what Minnie needs most is veteran leaders and wing defenders.  Shooting is a plus, too, but with Ridnour / Barea / Rubio / Love / Johnson / Webster / Tolliver (not to mention Brad Miller) they have a lot of guys that can slot into various positions and spread the floor.

Love is the only great shooter in that group, and he has enough else to do.

Right now they start Ridnour and Rubio, two point guards, for the simple reason that they need a shooter at one of those positions.

Any legitimate starting-level SG is a huge upgrade over Ridnour.

No one else you mention (Rubio/Barea/Tolliver/Johnson/Webster) is shooting above 40% from the floor!

[Inside-Out]

There is a reason he gets more run then anyone else after the big 4.

I think that reason is that he came in ready to play and KG's minutes are limited, while Wilcox had and early injury and is needed at the 5, JO is on minutes/health watch, and Steimsma and JJ are rookies and aren't ready for big minutes.

I rank our bigs as follows:

KG
Wilcox
JO (if/when healthy)
Bass
JJJ
Steimsma

The top 4 make the rotation.

We have one heck of a drop off from #1 to #2 any way you slice it.  If either Wilcox or Bass are your #2 big, your team is in trouble.  Ditto if your #3 big can't stay healthy and available to play on a consistent basis.

I'd very gladly trade any of them except KG (for this year's run) and JJJ (for the future).  The rest should be very available.  The idea that we NEED Brandon Bass just doesn't make any sense to me, even though he has played and does play well in a limited role.