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How exactly do the Celtics score points if we get Dwight?
« on: February 27, 2012, 07:02:24 PM »

Offline LeoMoreno

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Say we get Deron, say we get Dwight. In this case Deron is a better scorer than Rondo. We got a team where Bass is 4, we have no two as Bradley will be second unit's PG, and we got Pierce. That's our first team.

Dwight has his off nights, when he gets dominated by lesser centers. And if he's so great, he can carry the Magic team by himself further than he normally does. The only logical way to build around Dwight is to get shooters, which is what Orlando did. They have better shooters than we ever will. Pierce, Allen, Pietrus. That's all we got, while Orlando has like 10 3 point specialists. However, Dwight isn't really a Superman, he only shoots 55% from the field. Great addition to our rebounding subgroup which consists of exactly 0 players, but he won't get 40 points a game.

Deron Williams, however, might. He's a shooter, he can drive, he can find Dwight very well, make great pick and roll/pop with him. But he's as inconsistent as ever. On a team where Bradley would have 30+ points a night, he can't find a rhythm. Oh, and we count on Dwight striking fear into our opponents to ease up on Deron so that his fragile body doesn't get injured. Yeah, that's like telling LA "We got a better coach, start hailing us". This is only assuming he is a better scorer than Rondo. I am not the only one to think that Rondo would fit better with Dwight, and if he's got a player below the rim who can catch his misses, he'll shoot. A lot. Which still doesn't mean we can get over 100 points a night.

Pierce is uninterested. I stated this over and over and over again. He plays the playoffs and doesn't give much [dang] if he hits or misses in regular season until the season comes to line (as you will be able to witness in a few weeks ;) )
Bass is inconsistent. We have all witnessed that. His shot doesn't always fall, and it's starting to fall so rarely... Pick and pop or pick and roll with him and Dwight is impossible, they two take half the court's width standing next to each other.

As for SG... There aren't shooters in the league. I've had a cute conversation on some European NBA fans' forum about shooters in the league and we found that the only shooters remaining are Ray and Kobe. There aren't good shooting guards in the league right now, they're all inconsistent and pretty much useless. So whoever we get for that position will be just as... useless. And no, Monta Ellis needs the ball 45 minutes a game to score 20. Nothankyou.

So what about the bench? People don't like us that much, players like us even less. We can't get that good players for the bench that can carry us to 100 points a night.

To sum it up, Dwight would have one or two 35+pts nights, Rondo/Deron would do it twice or thrice, Pierce would be uninterested and the rest of the team doesn't really matter, the bench never mattered that much in Boston. I don't see it. I don't see a championship with Dwight.

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Re: How exactly do the Celtics score points if we get Dwight?
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The defense would be incredible. KG + Dwight = Unstoppable. We would be in the situation we are in right now, with another scorer in D-Will, and a post up option in Dwight. We add basically 2 great offensive threats to go around a Big 3 that is still doing pretty good. We would have more fast break opportunities, and easy PG to Dwight baskets.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012, 07:19:41 PM »

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Pick and roll, drive and kick, post-up and kick out to open shooters . . .
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 07:29:50 PM »

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Yeah, but try this:

we get Howard and send him to OKC for Durant and Harden. They would still have Westbrook + Dwight.

I think it's pretty fair... And we could throw in a draft pick for Harden's beard, to make it worth..
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Well, clearly the Celtics are doomed unless Ainge can put together a squad that is likely to go 82-0.
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Yeah, but try this:

we get Howard and send him to OKC for Durant and Harden. They would still have Westbrook + Dwight.

I think it's pretty fair... And we could throw in a draft pick for Harden's beard, to make it worth..

OKC is never going to trade Kevin Durant.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 07:41:29 PM »

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Yeah, but try this:

we get Howard and send him to OKC for Durant and Harden. They would still have Westbrook + Dwight.

I think it's pretty fair... And we could throw in a draft pick for Harden's beard, to make it worth..

OKC is never going to trade Kevin Durant.

Yeah, but it's DH we're talkin about.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2012, 07:47:50 PM »

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^ that starting 5 is ill

And how do you assemble that, exactly?

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2012, 07:53:17 PM »

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^ that starting 5 is ill

And how do you assemble that, exactly?

all 3 free agents this summer,and if it means danny has to amnesty clause paul pierce contract to make this team better then so be it i guess.

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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2012, 07:56:00 PM »

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Yeah, but try this:

we get Howard and send him to OKC for Durant and Harden. They would still have Westbrook + Dwight.

I think it's pretty fair... And we could throw in a draft pick for Harden's beard, to make it worth..

OKC is never going to trade Kevin Durant.

Yeah, but it's DH we're talkin about.

OKC is NEVER going to trade Durant. Durant is unstoppable and can score from anywhere. Howard? Well, he's stoppable. He's a great player, but you don't trade a top 2 player for him.

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2012, 07:57:25 PM »

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^ that starting 5 is ill

And how do you assemble that, exactly?

all 3 free agents this summer,and if it means danny has to amnesty clause paul pierce contract to make this team better then so be it i guess.

Isn't there a deadline to amnesty players? Either way, don't see it happening.

Gordon is a restricted free agent, and probably NO's only real asset, assuming they sell the team soon, as is rumored, no one is going to let him walk.

Humphries is apt to command a lot of salary space, probably not worth it and not really the best fit as Howard's frontcourt partner.

And also not sure, but pretty sure we more or less renounced Green's rights and he's an unrestricted free agent. Coming away from his surgery, I wouldn't offer him more than a 1 year, 4 million dollar contract. That may be being generous, as well. In other words, he'll likely go somewhere else.

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2012, 08:01:31 PM »

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Yeah, but try this:

we get Howard and send him to OKC for Durant and Harden. They would still have Westbrook + Dwight.

I think it's pretty fair... And we could throw in a draft pick for Harden's beard, to make it worth..

OKC is never going to trade Kevin Durant.

Yeah, but it's DH we're talkin about.

OKC is NEVER going to trade Durant. Durant is unstoppable and can score from anywhere. Howard? Well, he's stoppable. He's a great player, but you don't trade a top 2 player for him.

  I don't think that OKC makes the trade, but one could easily argue that Howard's the better player of the two, at least right not. Howard's not an unstoppable scorer, but wake me up the next time Durant wins a rebounding title or DPOY.

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2012, 08:04:32 PM »

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Where do people get this idea that Dwight is bad for a team's offense? Yeah he's not a great shooter, but the bottom line looks something like:

20PPG on 60% shooting, 60% TS
4 offensive rebounds
11 defensive rebounds and 2 blocked shots (= get out and run)

Yeah his defensive is better than his offense, but his offense is still All-Star level. You don't think Orlando scores 100PPG with Nelson, Turkoglu and Lewis alongside an average center do you? (Orlando's scoring is down this year, but they've been a 100PPG team for the last 4 years)

I'd be willing to bet any team's offense would improve with Dwight over their current center for all of the possession and opportunities he creates plus all the easy points he scores himself.