The Good Rondo / Bad Rondo Conundrum

[PosImpos]

What would you rather have? 


1) Good Rondo -- defined as the guy who's active on both ends and is a triple double threat -- one out of every two to three games, and Bad Rondo -- dejected, inconsistent, passive, turnover-prone -- the rest of the time.

2) A point guard who would give us 75% of what Good Rondo gives us, but give us that kind of play 80-90% of the time?



Serious question.  I'm not sure what the answer is.

[Capricious]

Its generally good Rondo in the play-offs, so I'll take that.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Where exactly is that super consistent PG? Rondo is probably a top 5 PG in the NBA. Guys like him don't exactly grow on trees.

[PosImpos]

Where exactly is that super consistent PG? Rondo is probably a top 5 PG in the NBA. Guys like him don't exactly grow on trees.

look at the other "top pgs."  none of them is as wildly inconsistent as Rondo.

Rondo is definitely capable of playing like one of the best players -- let alone point guards -- in the league.  But at least as often, if not most of the time, he plays like a role player.  It's maddening.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Where exactly is that super consistent PG? Rondo is probably a top 5 PG in the NBA. Guys like him don't exactly grow on trees.

look at the other "top pgs."  none of them is as wildly inconsistent as Rondo.

Rondo is definitely capable of playing like one of the best players -- let alone point guards -- in the league.  But at least as often, if not most of the time, he plays like a role player.  It's maddening.

The problem I have is that none of those guys that are as good as Rondo, but more consistent, are available for Boston. If Deron Williams could be had for Rondo, I'd take that easily, but I just don't see that as a possibility.

[PosImpos]

Where exactly is that super consistent PG? Rondo is probably a top 5 PG in the NBA. Guys like him don't exactly grow on trees.

look at the other "top pgs."  none of them is as wildly inconsistent as Rondo.

Rondo is definitely capable of playing like one of the best players -- let alone point guards -- in the league.  But at least as often, if not most of the time, he plays like a role player.  It's maddening.

The problem I have is that none of those guys that are as good as Rondo, but more consistent, are available for Boston. If Deron Williams could be had for Rondo, I'd take that easily, but I just don't see that as a possibility.

That's not the question I'm asking, though.

If we could get a point guard who isn't quite as great as "Good Rondo," but who plays well on a consistent basis, throughout the whole game, would that be better?  Rondo is great, but he disappears from quarter to quarter and game to game. 

So though he's capable of playing as well as guys like CP3 and Deron Williams for stretches, his overall impact as a player is much less than that.

[ManUp]

I'd probably take player 2 assuming he's a better free throw shooter and shooter, Rondo if not.

[syfy9]

Where exactly is that super consistent PG? Rondo is probably a top 5 PG in the NBA. Guys like him don't exactly grow on trees.

look at the other "top pgs."  none of them is as wildly inconsistent as Rondo.

Rondo is definitely capable of playing like one of the best players -- let alone point guards -- in the league.  But at least as often, if not most of the time, he plays like a role player.  It's maddening.

The problem I have is that none of those guys that are as good as Rondo, but more consistent, are available for Boston. If Deron Williams could be had for Rondo, I'd take that easily, but I just don't see that as a possibility.

That's not the question I'm asking, though.

If we could get a point guard who isn't quite as great as "Good Rondo," but who plays well on a consistent basis, throughout the whole game, would that be better?  Rondo is great, but he disappears from quarter to quarter and game to game. 

So though he's capable of playing as well as guys like CP3 and Deron Williams for stretches, his overall impact as a player is much less than that.

Can you give a few examples of a 75% "Good Rondo" in this league?

I was thinking along the lines of a Kyle Lowry...

[jdz101]

The more consistent one...

[PosImpos]

Where exactly is that super consistent PG? Rondo is probably a top 5 PG in the NBA. Guys like him don't exactly grow on trees.

look at the other "top pgs."  none of them is as wildly inconsistent as Rondo.

Rondo is definitely capable of playing like one of the best players -- let alone point guards -- in the league.  But at least as often, if not most of the time, he plays like a role player.  It's maddening.

The problem I have is that none of those guys that are as good as Rondo, but more consistent, are available for Boston. If Deron Williams could be had for Rondo, I'd take that easily, but I just don't see that as a possibility.

That's not the question I'm asking, though.

If we could get a point guard who isn't quite as great as "Good Rondo," but who plays well on a consistent basis, throughout the whole game, would that be better?  Rondo is great, but he disappears from quarter to quarter and game to game. 

So though he's capable of playing as well as guys like CP3 and Deron Williams for stretches, his overall impact as a player is much less than that.

Can you give a few examples of a 75% "Good Rondo" in this league?

I was thinking along the lines of a Kyle Lowry...

Tony Parker, Ty Lawson, Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, Lou Williams . . . perhaps even somebody like Jarrett Jack (this season) or Mike Conley.

[Capricious]

Where exactly is that super consistent PG? Rondo is probably a top 5 PG in the NBA. Guys like him don't exactly grow on trees.

look at the other "top pgs."  none of them is as wildly inconsistent as Rondo.

Rondo is definitely capable of playing like one of the best players -- let alone point guards -- in the league.  But at least as often, if not most of the time, he plays like a role player.  It's maddening.

The problem I have is that none of those guys that are as good as Rondo, but more consistent, are available for Boston. If Deron Williams could be had for Rondo, I'd take that easily, but I just don't see that as a possibility.

That's not the question I'm asking, though.

If we could get a point guard who isn't quite as great as "Good Rondo," but who plays well on a consistent basis, throughout the whole game, would that be better?  Rondo is great, but he disappears from quarter to quarter and game to game. 

So though he's capable of playing as well as guys like CP3 and Deron Williams for stretches, his overall impact as a player is much less than that.

Can you give a few examples of a 75% "Good Rondo" in this league?

I was thinking along the lines of a Kyle Lowry...

Tony Parker, Ty Lawson, Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, Lou Williams . . . perhaps even somebody like Jarrett Jack (this season) or Mike Conley.

None of those guys are upgrades, plain and simple.

[Eja117]

What would you rather have? 


1) Good Rondo -- defined as the guy who's active on both ends and is a triple double threat -- one out of every two to three games, and Bad Rondo -- dejected, inconsistent, passive, turnover-prone -- the rest of the time.

2) A point guard who would give us 75% of what Good Rondo gives us, but give us that kind of play 80-90% of the time?



Serious question.  I'm not sure what the answer is.

Since Doc would probably pair player 2 with JON and KG at the same time about 85% of the time I don't think it matters.

I think this season is on Doc just as much as any player.

One question in my head is "how about a player 230% of Rondo on defense and like 25% on offense?"

That's Avery Bradley and if Rondo were traded Doc would have no choice but to play him and Etwaun Moore.

Assuming we get a very good player for Rondo and maybe picks or a decent pg (CJ Watson anyone?) to go with Bradley I think I could live with that

[Merovech]

I'd prefer Rondo because he tends to be "Good Rondo" more than one out of every two or threee games in the playoffs.

[GreenFaith1819]

lol...I thought "Good-Bad" threads were only reserved for Tony Allen.....

[BballTim]

What would you rather have? 


1) Good Rondo -- defined as the guy who's active on both ends and is a triple double threat -- one out of every two to three games, and Bad Rondo -- dejected, inconsistent, passive, turnover-prone -- the rest of the time.

2) A point guard who would give us 75% of what Good Rondo gives us, but give us that kind of play 80-90% of the time?



Serious question.  I'm not sure what the answer is.

  One obvious answer is that Rondo isn't dejected, inconsistent, passive, turnover-prone more than half the time. That's ridiculous. You might be able to get someone who gives you about 3/4 of the stats Rondo does but contributes well less to the team beyond those numbers than Rondo does. That would satisfy many people here, but then the disappointment that comes with the realization that the player you traded for has flaws that you didn't expect and, like almost every player in nba history, isn't capable of playing their best 85% of the time.