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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' Draft Board
« Reply #2505 on: February 18, 2012, 04:39:17 AM »

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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' Draft Board
« Reply #2506 on: February 18, 2012, 07:04:53 AM »

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I regret not being here for the SO/ IP auction. Also, whomever took Kawhi Leonard, we have blood feud. Starting... now.

Wha? Cmon man your team is solid already.
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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' Draft Board
« Reply #2507 on: February 18, 2012, 08:40:53 AM »

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D.J. Augustin is a good pick.  I'm surprised that one of the teams with a weak point guard didn't grab him already.


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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' Draft Board
« Reply #2508 on: February 18, 2012, 09:06:27 AM »

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Are we drafting today? Or monday?

Re: 2012 'Pick Two' Draft Board
« Reply #2509 on: February 18, 2012, 09:10:27 AM »

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Are we drafting today? Or monday?

Traditionally we haven't scheduled drafts on weekends, so no picks are "due" today.  I think the plan is to resume Monday, bright and early.


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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2510 on: February 18, 2012, 09:48:20 AM »

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2012 Draft 2 Chicago Bulls:
PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Evan Turner
SF: Omri Casspi
PF: Jason Thompson
C: Joakim Noah
Bench: JJ Hickson,  Lamar Odom
Why are you bringing Lamar Odom off the bench instead of starting him?
I was going to ask the same thing.

Also I'm enormously skeptical about Turner and Rose together.  I'd find a way to move him to the bench (although I hate the idea of Casspi at the 2, or really as a starter all-together).
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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2511 on: February 18, 2012, 10:04:56 AM »

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Know what I'm not skeptical about?

My team beating yours.

Lowry
Brandon Rush
Tay Prince
Paul Millsap
Dwight Howard

Yup.

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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2512 on: February 18, 2012, 10:17:35 AM »

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Know what I'm not skeptical about?

My team beating yours.

Lowry
Brandon Rush
Tay Prince
Paul Millsap
Dwight Howard

Yup.

It's hard to fault the front court.

The wings are a bit more questionable.  Brandon Rush's defense has been downright poor this year; he ranks 313th in points allowed per possession.  As for Prince, his defense has fallen to the mediocre range (168th in points allowed per possession), so his offensive deficiencies stand out even more.  

Lastly, after a hot start, Lowry hasn't looked so great.  He's ranked 182nd in points allowed per possession, which is pretty poor (although he is defending isolation plays well).  In terms of offense, he's been putting up around 15/7 on around 42% shooting over the last two months, which is decent but not great.

You have a good team, but it's flawed.  I think you're going to have some trouble with teams that have multiple good wings and guards.


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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2513 on: February 18, 2012, 10:22:27 AM »

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Know what I'm not skeptical about?

My team beating yours.

Lowry
Brandon Rush
Tay Prince
Paul Millsap
Dwight Howard

Yup.


Challenge accepted:

Andre Miller
Kawhi Leonard (starting for defense purpose)
Danilo Gallinari
Ekpe Udoh
Spencer Hawes

Kevin Martin off the bench.

Kawhi defends Lowry.

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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2514 on: February 18, 2012, 10:23:43 AM »

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Know what I'm not skeptical about?

My team beating yours.

Lowry
Brandon Rush
Tay Prince
Paul Millsap
Dwight Howard

Yup.

I think a good 1/5 Pick+Roll would kill this team. Especially with a 3pt specialist on the wing.

EDIT: Love the offense though.

Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2515 on: February 18, 2012, 10:28:52 AM »

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Know what I'm not skeptical about?

My team beating yours.

Lowry
Brandon Rush
Tay Prince
Paul Millsap
Dwight Howard

Yup.


Challenge accepted:

Andre Miller
Kawhi Leonard (starting for defense purpose)
Danilo Gallinari
Ekpe Udoh
Spencer Hawes

Kevin Martin off the bench.

Kawhi defends Lowry.


I wouldn't worry about Lowry personally. To me he's not a very dynamic scorer more of a 'takes what the defense gives him' kind of guy.

I think your team matches up well against the Knicks though. Definitely start Kevin Martin, without him you have 1 reliable shooter.

Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2516 on: February 18, 2012, 10:33:44 AM »

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Know what I'm not skeptical about?

My team beating yours.

Lowry
Brandon Rush
Tay Prince
Paul Millsap
Dwight Howard

Yup.

It's hard to fault the front court.

The wings are a bit more questionable.  Brandon Rush's defense has been downright poor this year; he ranks 313th in points allowed per possession.  As for Prince, his defense has fallen to the mediocre range (168th in points allowed per possession), so his offensive deficiencies stand out even more.  

Lastly, after a hot start, Lowry hasn't looked so great.  He's ranked 182nd in points allowed per possession, which is pretty poor (although he is defending isolation plays well).  In terms of offense, he's been putting up around 15/7 on around 42% shooting over the last two months, which is decent but not great.

You have a good team, but it's flawed.  I think you're going to have some trouble with teams that have multiple good wings and guards.

I think the points allowed per possession stat for point guards is a plain joke. Who are the top 10?

Brandon Rush's defense on a team where nobody plays defense doesn't concern me. His defense on teams that ask him to play defense is better.

Prince's defense I'm just plain not worried about.

Honestly I see perimeter defense as a strength here, not a weakness, and I'd stack my perimeter defenders as a unit against anyone else's. Couple that with Howard's backstop help defense and I think its the strongest defensive unit in the league.

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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2517 on: February 18, 2012, 10:39:23 AM »

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I didn't see the game, just the boxscore, but my man Monroe got his buttocks handed to him by my other man Cousins in head to head matchup tonight.

You got BOTH Monroe AND Cousins?

Nice!
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Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2518 on: February 18, 2012, 10:41:14 AM »

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Know what I'm not skeptical about?

My team beating yours.

Lowry
Brandon Rush
Tay Prince
Paul Millsap
Dwight Howard

Yup.


Challenge accepted:

Andre Miller
Kawhi Leonard (starting for defense purpose)
Danilo Gallinari
Ekpe Udoh
Spencer Hawes

Kevin Martin off the bench.

Kawhi defends Lowry.


I wouldn't worry about Lowry personally. To me he's not a very dynamic scorer more of a 'takes what the defense gives him' kind of guy.

I think your team matches up well against the Knicks though. Definitely start Kevin Martin, without him you have 1 reliable shooter.

Lowry is too fast for an aged Andre. So I have Leonard cover him who is not as fast but longer and quick enough to stay up front. Udoh will match up well against Millsap. Dwight is the problem. But Gallo would be problems for Tayshaun. Bring in Martin when Gallo struggles. But Kawhi starts so Lowry can't be on his pace.
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C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace

Re: 2012 'Pick Two' General Discussion
« Reply #2519 on: February 18, 2012, 10:43:19 AM »

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Know what I'm not skeptical about?

My team beating yours.

Lowry
Brandon Rush
Tay Prince
Paul Millsap
Dwight Howard

Yup.

It's hard to fault the front court.

The wings are a bit more questionable.  Brandon Rush's defense has been downright poor this year; he ranks 313th in points allowed per possession.  As for Prince, his defense has fallen to the mediocre range (168th in points allowed per possession), so his offensive deficiencies stand out even more.  

Lastly, after a hot start, Lowry hasn't looked so great.  He's ranked 182nd in points allowed per possession, which is pretty poor (although he is defending isolation plays well).  In terms of offense, he's been putting up around 15/7 on around 42% shooting over the last two months, which is decent but not great.

You have a good team, but it's flawed.  I think you're going to have some trouble with teams that have multiple good wings and guards.

I think the points allowed per possession stat for point guards is a plain joke. Who are the top 10?

Brandon Rush's defense on a team where nobody plays defense doesn't concern me. His defense on teams that ask him to play defense is better.

Prince's defense I'm just plain not worried about.

Honestly I see perimeter defense as a strength here, not a weakness, and I'd stack my perimeter defenders as a unit against anyone else's. Couple that with Howard's backstop help defense and I think its the strongest defensive unit in the league.

Yeah, synergy sports is known for being a joke.  It's not like they spend their days meticulously looking at individual plays and making assessments from there.  It's not like they craft their system to look at individual defense, rather than team defense.

Oh, wait, that's exactly what they do.

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How we select the player - Synergy tracks the initial on ball defender for many playtypes. For example, an offensive player is in Isolation and blows by his defender (player A) and gets to the rim. A help defender (player B) rotates over to try and contest the shot. We attribute the defensive play to Player A, as he was the person was initially beaten on the play.

What happened to the other play types? - We do not attach an individual defender on offensive rebounds, cuts or transition plays as these are team defense concepts and fault/credit usually cannot be attributed to one person.

Lowry, Prince, and especially Rush have all been pretty mediocre to poor on defense this year.  If you've got a problem with that, take it up with Synergy, i.e., the best in the business. 

If you don't buy Synergy, though, go over to 82games.com.  Rush and Prince getting outproduced by opposing players, and Lowry is playing them about evenly.  Those aren't huge strengths for your team, unfortunately.


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