so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?

[libermaniac]

Can the Pats get Brady a running game sometime before his career is over?

Dan Marino called to say hello.

[Moranis]

Tom needs to get his wife under control

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/06/gisele-tom-brady-super-bowl-patriots-lose-giants/

If the Giants fans can't take what they dish out to a man's wife it's not my problem.  

She threw Tom's co-workers under the bus.  I am sure Tom doesn't want or need that being out there.  

[PosImpos]

Giants let the Pats dink and dunk, keeping their main pass catchers under 10 yards a catch.

Yeah.  The Giants' trash talkers were right . . . the Pats offense really is just a souped-up version of a dink-and-dunk, and against physical teams that can mix up coverages to confuse Brady, it loses its explosiveness.

[Roy H.]

The ball was catchable but anything but a routine catch.  The pattern Welker ran was to receive the ball in the inside, not on the outside.  So he had to almost do a 180 and catch a laser.  If you watched the replay they showed during the game, they did show a closeup of his footwork during the play.  Because he twisted his feet around, he could not plant and had no leverage to jump up and out towards the ball; he was just falling backwards.

Wow, thank you.  I was beginning to think that I was crazy, when I read stuff like "he makes that catch 100 times out of 100" and "it was a routine catch".

That was a catchable ball, but it was a tough catch to make, due to the poor throw.

[TheReaLPuba]

Defense wins championships.

You can't score in the playoffs like in the regular season.

The Pats have only 1 star and that's Brady.

Their system is great and all but when the big stage comes you need more talent to make the plays.

Truth is it's only 3 mere FG's that separates Brady from being a Superbowl Champion as opposed to Dan Marino.

And its a mere 3 and 4 points why hes not 5 time champion...Marino made one superbowl

Im not sure who their other stars were when they were winning championships either...they werent...including himself.Hes actually better now then he was then,,,Maybe its the curse of Gisele..ha

In big games Brady never dominates the game.

He doesn't throw 5 TDs and go over 350 yards.

He can do all that in regular season games but in the Superbowl he is an average QB most of the time.

The guy needs more help.

It's that simple.

Get him a dominant defense or a running game.

[Rondo2287]

Giants let the Pats dink and dunk, keeping their main pass catchers under 10 yards a catch.

Yeah.  The Giants' trash talkers were right . . . the Pats offense really is just a souped-up version of a dink-and-dunk, and against physical teams that can mix up coverages to confuse Brady, it loses its explosiveness.

I think it lost its explosiveness due to the fact that our biggest offensive threat couldnt run

[Roy H.]

Tom needs to get his wife under control

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/06/gisele-tom-brady-super-bowl-patriots-lose-giants/

For the record, I hate the terminology "get his wife under control", but all I have to say to Giselle is that Giselle should focus on the throwing aspect before she complains about the catching.

[jgod213]

bad throw. brady seems to be getting progressively worse with his "deep" throws as he ages.  just hit the guy in stride and you're all set.

that said - welker & manningham catches had a similar degree of difficulty. but the replay clearly shows welker with 2 hands on the ball. you want that new big contract you need to make that catch. gonna be a long offseason for him.

edit: sorry but the more i see it that manningham catch is much harder to make. toe tap, absorb the hit. uuuughhh.

[rondohondo]

For those of you saying that Brady threw the ball awful , do you not remember the David Patten throw from the superbowl against the Rams where he caught the exact same pass for a TD? It was the exact same throw, actually the throw to Patten was even more difficult because he has to keep his feet in and the ball was thrown higher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1NCr1U4GJ0
(The David Patten play is at 4:30 in the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or1nSVUJeq8

Brady clearly threw it to his back shoulder IMO because they work on this type of play all the time. THESE ARE CATCHES YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO MAKE IF YOU WANT TO WIN SUPERBOWLS

I am not saying Brady was flawless , but in reality he made 2 bad plays, the safety and the interception( which really didn't hurt the Patriots because it was more like a punt with the Giants starting behind their own 10, and they got the ball right away without giving up points .


I don't care what anyone says, that dropped pass was the game changer/ killer for the patriots. In 2001 they make that catch with a fringe NFL WR, In 2012 they drop that pass with a multi pro bowl receiver with an easier catch to make.

Then you throw in the catches that Tyrie and Manningham made to help the Giants win and you realize just how catchable that ball to Welker was

And please stop with this Welker's too short to make this kind of catch the ball hit him right in the frakin hands it's not like he had to jumkp 5 ft in the air and it grazed off his finger tips, if anything it makes it harder for Brady to hit such a small target perfectly down field(gronkowski is a lot easier because you have such a big window to throw it to where he can catch it ). But lets not say it was an impossible catch for welker because he is only 5'8 , that's ridiculous.....

[Capricious]

Welker has to make that catch - Brady threw it where it made sense based on the coverage.

I was p---ed at Brady for throwing that pick, but thinking about it now, you have to make that throw.  Gronk against a scrub linebacker downfield?  Maybe if Gronk was 100% it would have turned out differently.

[PosImpos]

Isn't it kind of silly that we're getting mad at a 5'9'' slot receiver for not making a spectacular catch on a ball thrown way up in the air?

That play is just a glaring, painful example of why the Patriots need a receiver who can be a legitimate vertical, down field threat.

[rondohondo]

Isn't it kind of silly that we're getting mad at a 5'9'' slot receiver for not making a spectacular catch on a ball thrown way up in the air?

That play is just a glaring, painful example of why the Patriots need a receiver who can be a legitimate vertical, down field threat.

should have caught the ball, read my post from 2 posts ago in this thread , if anything welkers height makes it harder on brady to hit him perfectly than it does for welkers ability to catch the ball. Why does welkers height have anything to do with a ball that hit him right in the hands on a catch every receiver in the NFL works on constantly. That is such a cop out

He should have made the catch

[jgod213]

Isn't it kind of silly that we're getting mad at a 5'9'' slot receiver for not making a spectacular catch on a ball thrown way up in the air?

That play is just a glaring, painful example of why the Patriots need a receiver who can be a legitimate vertical, down field threat.

i don't think it's silly at all to expect arguably the best reciever in the nfl over the past 5 years to make a bigtime catch on the biggest stage.

[PosImpos]

Isn't it kind of silly that we're getting mad at a 5'9'' slot receiver for not making a spectacular catch on a ball thrown way up in the air?

That play is just a glaring, painful example of why the Patriots need a receiver who can be a legitimate vertical, down field threat.

should have caught the ball, read my post from 2 posts ago in this thread , if anything welkers height makes it harder on brady to hit him perfectly than it does for welkers ability to catch the ball. Why does welkers height have anything to do with a ball that hit him right in the hands on a catch every receiver in the NFL works on constantly. That is such a cop out

He should have made the catch

getting your hands on the ball is one thing . . . holding onto it and keeping it the entire way down when you have 4-5 feet to fall is another.

welker could have, and perhaps should have, made that play.  but that's not really his game, most of the time.

to me it's kind of like getting mad at Rondo for missing a wide open potentially game-winning 3 pointer.  it's not a high percentage play, and it's not his role.

[rondohondo]

Isn't it kind of silly that we're getting mad at a 5'9'' slot receiver for not making a spectacular catch on a ball thrown way up in the air?

That play is just a glaring, painful example of why the Patriots need a receiver who can be a legitimate vertical, down field threat.

should have caught the ball, read my post from 2 posts ago in this thread , if anything welkers height makes it harder on brady to hit him perfectly than it does for welkers ability to catch the ball. Why does welkers height have anything to do with a ball that hit him right in the hands on a catch every receiver in the NFL works on constantly. That is such a cop out

He should have made the catch

getting your hands on the ball is one thing . . . holding onto it and keeping it the entire way down when you have 4-5 feet to fall is another.

welker could have, and perhaps should have, made that play.  but that's not really his game, most of the time.

to me it's kind of like getting mad at Rondo for missing a wide open potentially game-winning 3 pointer.  it's not a high percentage play, and it's not his role.

please.....

like I said in my other post, David Patten caught that exact same pass in the 2001 superbowl , but it was even harder catch because he had to get his feet in and jump higher and more akwardly

David Patten was unloading coffe beans the year before the pats signed him , Welker has been to multiple pro bowls , thats a catch any pro bowl receiver makes in his sleep..