Is anyone still upset about the Perk trade?

[indeedproceed]

Upset? No. Time heals all wounds.

I'd take it back though if I could.

Still though? Even with the way he's played?

Yup.

[Overrated]

Not to pile on Perkins being Mozgov'd last night...

[dtrader]

I would NOT be happy, if the Celts were playing Perk 9mil the next 3 or 4 years, and only getting 4 points, 6 boards, and 44% fgs from him.  IMO that would be our worst contract by far. 

Do you think that Perk would be putting up those numbers in Boston?  I get the sense that he'd be a lot closer to the old Perk, probably around 8/8 with a block and somewhere around 55% shooting.  I just think Perk was pretty much the perfect defensive and low-usage cog on our team.

That said, I don't think there's any way that Danny would have paid him $8+ million, and we would have signed-and-traded him.

Yes...I think he'd be largely the same player for us.  He hasnt looked or performed the same since his injury.  If there was no injury in the mix, maybe I'd be more willing to attribute the fall off to the system (which still wouldnt make him worth 8mil), but with the injury...the most reasonable conclusion to me, is that he's lost a step.  

Unfortunately, Perk isn't a player that had a step to lose.  He already had limited athleticism, and a limited offensive game.  He became a good player, because his effort allowed him to squeeze every once of ability out of what he had.  His current conditioning and game play shows that he hasnt stopped giving that effort.  His current production shows that he just doesnt have as much to give.

Could we have used Perk down the stretch last year...yes.  Do we need him now...no.  Would I like an injury prone Center with diminishing talents and basement level efficiency on a long term contract on my team...definitely not.

[Eja117]

definitely...got too cute and traded away a good shot at another banner...still not happy bout it

[indeedproceed]

Not to pile on Perkins being Mozgov'd last night...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w_Vy0lDk_A

Bubba Sparxx called. He said he's fine, he's doing well. Back to selling pirated DirectTV dishes out of his momma's basement.

He also called to say its gettin' UGLLAYYYYYY...UP IN HERE, UP IN HERE, UP IN HERE

[BballTim]

Not to pile on Perkins being Mozgov'd last night...but I'm curious, is there anyone out there that is still upset about the Perkins trade?

Last year, after the trade, Perkins missed significant time due to his knee. After he returned, OKC did make a marked improvement in its defense but overall, Perkins played terrible throughout the rest of the season and into the playoffs. He was a liability - but that's fine, because many people felt that he needed time to recover from his knee surgery. So how are we doing so far?

He's averaging 4.7 ppg, the lowest of his career since he was 22 years old. He's averaging 5.7 rebounds a game - the lowest of his career since he was 22 years old. He's shooting under 45% from the field - for a guy who's shooting 56% for his career.

His rebounding rate is 12.2 - which is awful - AWFUL - for a center and certainly the worst of his career. His PER is 7.1 - which is embarrassing for anyone's standards.

He's still blocking shots at a decent clip (1.2 bpg) - but that's still below his career average of 1.4.

As far as his defense goes, OKC is 14th in the league in defensive efficiency. His opponent's PER is 15.0 - which is not very good for Perk.

Defensively, it is clear that he has some effect - while he's on the court, OKC gives up 98.4 points per 48. When he's off, 106.1 - a net 7.7 point difference. Offensively? When he's on the court, OKC scores 105.5 but 113.5 per 48 when he's off - a net 8.0 difference. Of course, on/off court stats have a lot of noise and aren't exactly reliable.

The point is Perkins has played terribly this year and thankfully the Celtics aren't stuck with him for another 3-4 years. Green didn't exactly work out - neither did Krstic. But at the very least, the Celtics got something (the LAC clip) for someone that they should be glad isn't on the books for 8-10 mill a year for the next 3 years.

  I agree that Perk needs to rebound better. I still wouldn't be surprised if is knee improved more, but he's still only (from 82games) getting outrebounded by about a board and a half a game. But you're really glossing over his defense. If you check synergy sports, he's been a better 1v1 defender than Dwight Howard, and if you look at 82games you'll see that he's made a bigger difference there as well. Not saying that I wanted him for biggish money going forward, but he's an elite defender.

  I'd also say that a good amount of his drop in offensive productivity stems from no longer playing with Rondo (or PP or KG, for that matter).

[StartOrien]

I supported the decision to make the trade at the time, now I'm forced to defend the logic. Obviously, with the benefit of hein*-sight I'd rather have finished the year w/ Perk.


*yes, on purpose.

[ssspence]

was never really troubled by it, and ain't now. felt perk was overvalued by Cs fans for intangibles.  wish we'd received better value in return (hindsight is 20/20), but i wouldn't want him for the price he received as we rebuild, especially if it's around rondo.

[Fafnir]

The question I have about Perk's value is can he be an elite team defender or at least an impact one? I have full confidence in his own one on one defense, but his team defense effectiveness is my worry.

[TheTruthFot18]

If green didn't have his unfortunate surgery (which some one here say the Thunder knew about his problem  ) this discussion wouldn't be very valid.

If we had perk we would have beat the heat and bulls last year and swept the mavs in the finals. 

Perk wasn't coming back, straight up. I understand rondo being upset when it happened but on here what would we have gotten if he stayed. Nothing against perk as a player, but Danny did the right thing at that time.

[Redz]

I'm still hurting from Harangody

[LB3533]

I'm upset that Perk got hurt last season and he didn't want to re-up with us.

But the trade was the right move, it just didn't work out.

[Interceptor]

I love these Perkins threads, and will enjoy posting in them until the day that I die. They are endless wells of convenient memory loss and hilarious cherry-picking.

Does anyone here even remember how many players could get to the court without crutches or a wheelchair when Danny pulled the trigger on the deal last February? Spoiler alert, it was a straight-up nightmare. Marquis was out for the season (goodbye to Pierce's only backup), Shaq was out with the Achilles inflammation (and never really came back), JO was gone because of his left knee, Semih was constantly out and barely hanging on with shoulder/groin injuries, DWest was still recovering from his broken wrist, Perkins was injured AGAIN (sprained MCL), and even NATE was out with a bruised knee. BBD was basically playing injured, and Avery Bradley was recalled from the D-league out of desperate necessity.

PG: Rondo, lolAvery
SG: Ray, Wafer
SF: Pierce
PF: KG, Harangody
C: BBD

Watch out folks, here comes the late February '11 Boston Celtics, with an 8-man rotation that includes two players who didn't even belong in the NBA.

I was NEVER upset about the Perk trade, and never will be. Ainge did the best that he could do with what he had at the time. He traded injured players for fresh ones, and got a first-rounder out of it to boot. I don't care if Perkins turns into Dwight Howard, Jeff Green declines to sign with us in the 2012 offseason, and our first-rounder from the 2012 Championship-winning Clippers at the 30th pick turns out to be a scrub who breaks his leg in the first game with us, retiring from the NBA forever and becoming a monk. No regrets. The wisdom of trades can't be judged with hindsight, it was a good move at the time.

I get angry when people claim that we traded away Banner 18. I don't even consider that position to be the least bit defensible. But here's to a hundred years of lamenting over the loss of Bill Russell Jr.

[Celts Fan 92]

I was never upset and felt the board was overrating him acting like he was an all-star ya'll gotta realize Boston makes a lot of players better and most of em ain't the same once they leave word to Posey, Eddie House, Big Baby, Leon Powe etc.

[CeltsAcumen]

Original Poster fails to consider what the Celtics got in return.  Damaged Goods.  Jeff Green played 1/2 a seasons and did not live up to the DA hype.  Now he is not even on the club.

So answer is yes, I am upset that the Celtics traded a healthy player for a guy who's career could be over.

I am one of the people that believe Danny Ainge's incompetence cost the Celtics a final shot at a title and his negligence for not uncovering Jeff Green's health issues prior to the trade cost them the 2012 season.

Anyway you look at it, whether you like Perkins or not, Danny Ainge should of NEVER traded for Jeff Green and that's why the trade was a mistake.