A PG combo of Pierce+Bradley+Moore > Rondo!

[Roy H.]

Bradley was -13 last night on +/-.  He was not part of the big run that won the game.   Rondo + Pierce and Moore+Pierce is better than Bradley and I feel Bradley is the odd man out.  Bradley is shooting .36% from the field and 1.1 TO and 1.2 TO.  You know who Bradley reminds of me in a way is Marcus Banks in terms of his consistency.  A good game here and two or three bad ones, good athletic ability but poor decision making. 

While it is true Rondo is our best asset for trades being young and talented.   I would much rather keep him than Bradley.

In fairness, Bradley hasn't had a lot of time to develop.  He's basically a rookie out there.  He clearly has NBA-level defense and athleticism, though.  In time, hopefully the consistency on offense will come.

I mean, we can't knock Bradley for his FG% and his inconsistency, while saying that Moore should take his spot.  Even after last night's big game, Moore is averaging 2.9 points on 31.8% shooting.  He still needs a lot of development, as well.

I'd like to see both of them get some minutes, but in terms of a long-term prospect, I have higher hopes for Bradley, just because he's clearly got the athleticism necessarily to succeed.  Moore is a hard-worker and is a very likeable player, but I'm not sure if he's going to be able to remain offensively effective once teams start playing him more closely.

[Inside-Out]

Of course, any lineup with Rondo in it is better than one with rookies, however...

What we get from Bradley and Moore that we don't get with Rondo (or most vets) is consistent effort plus never-give-up-on-the-playness that veterans tend to not do (they pick their spots).  It can cause fits (e.g. JNelson on Monday).

Moore vs. Bradley

Moore has a far superior all around game and IQ, though he lacks quickness/explosiveness.  I've compared him in the past to Kevin Gamble, but he's a bit Pierce-lite:  smaller, not as explosive, but uses his body well, can shoot, cut, or midrange, and seems to usually make good decisions and not hurt you.  He could have a very long career as a 7-8th man.

Bradley's crazy defense and quicker first step are huge advantages, but his shooting...whoa...

I really like them both.  They make a great tandem.

[jsingh1699]

the hustle and energy was definitely there in the second half. im not sure who initiated it (maybe it was moore with his full court defense) but everyone fed off of that (i could not believe that block kg had on howard. didnt think he had those hops left in him). i like the idea of bringing ray allen off the bench. start pietrus next to pierce. let the offense flow thru him.

then when our second unit comes in, you have a guy like ray allen who you can then use 15 secs to get him the ball. against second string players, i feel like he can really light them up. throw in moore's shooting, daniels showing some glimpses last night of his attacking/slashing/postup, and its not a bad second unit against other team's second units.

just because allen would come off the bench doesnt mean his minutes would get reduced. he could still close out games where he is on. i see him playing a role similar to jason terry. im sure ray would have no problem with that.

[camboceltic]

A lot of Celtics' fans want to upgrade to DRose or CP3 for Rondo, but you have to see that Danny tried this and failed.  He tried and the league collectively said Rondo is not in the same company.  Rondo has been weighed and judge and found to be lacking.  I hope to God that that fact drives Rondo to be better, but this is the same conversation we've had year over year.  He has one of the best shooters in the history of the game in Ray Allen to learn from and he practiced under Mark Price and the guy still can't hit a jump shot. Yes, he plays hard, but every fall and crash he takes could be his last.  He is not built to last. 

People talk about his facilitation, but sadly, I just don't consider passing the ball to 3 future hall-of-famers facilitating. My original question was do you buy players or do you manufacture wins. If you look at all the players as individuals, then yes, Rondo wins out. BUT, if you can manufacture Rondo's numbers with a tag team of Pierce, Bradley and Moore at a cheaper cost and the potential to add Marcus Camby, Robin Lopez, D. Favors, Big Al (all of which work on ESPN's trade machine) it has to be discussed...

Celtics fans value Rondo greater than the league, which is understandable, but shouldn't be acceptable.

In Danny, I trust.

[Celtics4ever]

In fairness, Bradley hasn't had a lot of time to develop.  He's basically a rookie out there.

So is Moore though, Roy.   Some guys have it and some don't usually it is bigs who take longer to develop.  His shot is downright nasty and awful.  Judgement and basketball can benefit through experience but there is only so much they can develop if it's not there.  Most of us know not to directly challenge Dwight on a shot attempt and doing so is outright dumb, I am beginning to wonder about his mental acumen.

I love his D and his effort is great.   But the rest of his game is a project at best.  He belongs in the league as a spot defender.  This kid should have stayed in school most definitely. 

[pearljammer10]

You want Avery Sir Clank A lot Bradley and a rookie to lead this team through the playoffs? Threads keep getting worse everyday.

[Roy H.]

In fairness, Bradley hasn't had a lot of time to develop.  He's basically a rookie out there.

So is Moore though, Roy.   Some guys have it and some don't usually it is bigs who take longer to develop.  His shot is downright nasty and awful.  Judgement and basketball can benefit through experience but there is only so much they can develop if it's not there.  Most of us know not to directly challenge Dwight on a shot attempt and doing so is outright dumb, I am beginning to wonder about his mental acumen.

I love his D and his effort is great.   But the rest of his game is a project at best.  He belongs in the league as a spot defender.  This kid should have stayed in school most definitely. 

Bradley is definitely a work in progress.  However, he's come a long way from last year already, and I expect him to continue to improve.

E'Twaun Moore has had one good game.  He's still a project, too.  Both guys need to continue to develop.

In five years, I think there's a greater shot that Bradley's still in the league than there is that Moore is still playing.  Whoever made the Eric Snow comparison, that's probably a solid one for Bradley.  I don't know what to make of Moore yet.

[kozlodoev]

In fairness, Bradley hasn't had a lot of time to develop.  He's basically a rookie out there.

So is Moore though, Roy.   Some guys have it and some don't usually it is bigs who take longer to develop.  His shot is downright nasty and awful.  Judgement and basketball can benefit through experience but there is only so much they can develop if it's not there.  Most of us know not to directly challenge Dwight on a shot attempt and doing so is outright dumb, I am beginning to wonder about his mental acumen.

I love his D and his effort is great.   But the rest of his game is a project at best.  He belongs in the league as a spot defender.  This kid should have stayed in school most definitely. 

Bradley is definitely a work in progress.  However, he's come a long way from last year already, and I expect him to continue to improve.

E'Twaun Moore has had one good game.  He's still a project, too.  Both guys need to continue to develop.

In five years, I think there's a greater shot that Bradley's still in the league than there is that Moore is still playing.  Whoever made the Eric Snow comparison, that's probably a solid one for Bradley.  I don't know what to make of Moore yet.

My best-case scenario for Moore is a Mike James type of player. But we've seen so little of him that it's anyone's guess about how he pans out.

[snively]

In fairness, Bradley hasn't had a lot of time to develop.  He's basically a rookie out there.

So is Moore though, Roy.   Some guys have it and some don't usually it is bigs who take longer to develop.  His shot is downright nasty and awful.  Judgement and basketball can benefit through experience but there is only so much they can develop if it's not there.  Most of us know not to directly challenge Dwight on a shot attempt and doing so is outright dumb, I am beginning to wonder about his mental acumen.

I love his D and his effort is great.   But the rest of his game is a project at best.  He belongs in the league as a spot defender.  This kid should have stayed in school most definitely. 

Bradley is definitely a work in progress.  However, he's come a long way from last year already, and I expect him to continue to improve.

E'Twaun Moore has had one good game.  He's still a project, too.  Both guys need to continue to develop.

In five years, I think there's a greater shot that Bradley's still in the league than there is that Moore is still playing.  Whoever made the Eric Snow comparison, that's probably a solid one for Bradley.  I don't know what to make of Moore yet.

He actually reminds me a little of Erick Strickland. Energetic, good-sized combo guard.

[OsirusCeltics]

I LOVE Rondo. I think he's an underrated awesome player
But he's an opportunist and its annoying
 
He's an opportunist on steals with the way he gambles. He loses his man which puts the whole defensive rotation out of sync, and allows penetration with the opposing point guard. Also when he holds the ball and stops offensive flow, because he's looking for the right person to get an assist on the stat sheet

He's so great, an elite point guard. But all of those things he does kind of negates what he brings to the team

[Celtics4ever]

In five years, I think there's a greater shot that Bradley's still in the league than there is that Moore is still playing. 

I would take this were it a bet.   I 've seen a lot of physically talented guys like Gerald Green and Harold Miner leave the league  despite their talent.  I would take a smart guy like Moore or the White Mamba over an athletic guy with dubious decision making.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  I hope they are both productive players for us in the future but I have growing doubts about Bradley's ability to do so for us.

[2short]

rondo hate, nice

most important thing so EARLY in the season is that through injury etc doc is developing a TEAM concept, a player is out (insert many names) the other guys step up and play celtics team ball
rondo hasn't had a real backup pg ever, delonte is probably the closest and he was injured most of the time
right now we are looking at dooling who i like but turns the ball over way to much for his minutes (and looks more like a sg), moore who is unproven but looks the steadiest of the bunch to me, bradley who looks like gary payton mixed with gerald green/marcus banks etc

stay faithful people, we get guys like leon powe ready to come in a play 10 minutes a game for whatever the team needs its great
sasha didn't play for quite awhile and busted his but in a staring posistion
this could all click really nice