Top 25 NBA Players List

[tyrone biggums]

you need to dig deeper into those statistics is what i'm telling you.  as soon as anyone does that they will realize Rondo is clearly not a Top 25 NBA Player

no no doc will get him into the system.  kg ray paul are the identity and anyone coming into their team will play celtic basketball.  kinda like patriots...

Your posts are not making much sense, they have about as much substance as Jiri's career. Not trying to snipe here at someone but come on! Please think about your arguments before posting them, I understand the top 25 is opinion but just back it up with why you think these guys are the best...don't say Ellis is a better offensive player when readily available statistics on NBA.COM say otherwise.

And Ellis is?? The same guy who Golden State was begging teams to take as little as a year ago? People don't do that with their franchise players. Rondo was different because Chris Paul presented an upgrade and was supposed to be an attractive piece to make Dwight Howard consider Boston.

[jiriwelsch]

i disagree, i think the whole new orleans thing was about danny and other teams trying to take advantage of an opportunity with the league owned money losing hornets.  however, no other team has shown any interest in Rondo.  Yet Monta is valued by many teams.  many many more teams than Rondo.

[KCattheStripe]

Actually with the exception of True Shooting-- In which there's a marginal difference and none at all if you remove Rondo's Rookie year-- Rondo is better in all advanced metrics.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

[tyrone biggums]

i disagree, i think the whole new orleans thing was about danny and other teams trying to take advantage of an opportunity with the league owned money losing hornets.  however, no other team has shown any interest in Rondo.  Yet Monta is valued by many teams.  many many more teams than Rondo.

Really? So why wasn't Golden State able to unload him then? Why didn't Danny just give away Rondo since he has such a team friendly contract? I find it hard to believe that teams that are starting scrub point guards wouldn't want Rondo.

[jiriwelsch]

you have to understand Rondo and Monta are on much different teams to begin to understand the information you are trying to use.  Rondo is surrounded and runs a much different offense.  Monta on the other hand doesnt have kg or ray or doc or paul.  theres no way rondo could lead gsw to a better season than monta but monta could easily give the celts the 55-65 win season hurdle.

[jiriwelsch]

Because he's better.... duh...

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i disagree, i think the whole new orleans thing was about danny and other teams trying to take advantage of an opportunity with the league owned money losing hornets.  however, no other team has shown any interest in Rondo.  Yet Monta is valued by many teams.  many many more teams than Rondo.

Really? So why wasn't Golden State able to unload him then? Why didn't Danny just give away Rondo since he has such a team friendly contract? I find it hard to believe that teams that are starting scrub point guards wouldn't want Rondo.
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[CelticsFanNC]

  Like someone else said, this thread loses all credibility if Rondo isn't top 25.  

  Scoring isn't the only value of a player.  Among PG's it is a highly over rated statistic.  

 Rondo is among the league leaders in steals and assists.  Always among the NBA leader for FG% and rebounding among guards.  He also is responsible for a huge amount of the Celtics over all points, among the best in the NBA.

[KCattheStripe]

you have to understand Rondo and Monta are on much different teams to begin to understand the information you are trying to use.  Rondo is surrounded and runs a much different offense.  Monta on the other hand doesnt have kg or ray or doc or paul.  theres no way rondo could lead gsw to a better season than monta but monta could easily give the celts the 55-65 win season hurdle.

Monta would have no idea how to use KG or Ray or Paul. Dude is a chucker.

[jiriwelsch]

please.  the celtics would be scoring 100 plus a night and never look back.  instead we got air rondo

[KCattheStripe]

Also, KG paul and Ray would kill him because he doesn't play defense. He plays the passing lanes like a bad Allen Iverson.

[jiriwelsch]

cant really get many assists if you cant score...

 Like someone else said, this thread loses all credibility if Rondo isn't top 25.  

  Scoring isn't the only value of a player.  Among PG's it is a highly over rated statistic.  

 Rondo is among the league leaders in steals and assists.  Always among the NBA leader for FG% and rebounding among guards.  He also is responsible for a huge amount of the Celtics over all points, among the best in the NBA.

[tyrone biggums]

you have to understand Rondo and Monta are on much different teams to begin to understand the information you are trying to use.  Rondo is surrounded and runs a much different offense.  Monta on the other hand doesnt have kg or ray or doc or paul.  theres no way rondo could lead gsw to a better season than monta but monta could easily give the celts the 55-65 win season hurdle.

Curry and Ellis are the same player almost (Curry is better)...Rondo could absolutely get that team to the playoffs. I understand the concept of teams not having stars etc...but your argument is that Ellis is better than Rondo and that Rondo is a product of his environment...but how many times last season did Rondo take over a game for the Celtics? How many times has Ellis done that in his career? How many times has that resulted in the Warriors winning games. I'll give you a clue, go on Wikipedia and look up "Golden State Warriors".

[jiriwelsch]

no no.  he would blend into the system just like every other player who has come to Boston.

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Also, KG paul and Ray would kill him because he doesn't play defense. He plays the passing lanes like a bad Allen Iverson.
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[jiriwelsch]

and what did they say about paul pierce before doc kg and ray came to town?

you have to understand Rondo and Monta are on much different teams to begin to understand the information you are trying to use.  Rondo is surrounded and runs a much different offense.  Monta on the other hand doesnt have kg or ray or doc or paul.  theres no way rondo could lead gsw to a better season than monta but monta could easily give the celts the 55-65 win season hurdle.

Curry and Ellis are the same player almost (Curry is better)...Rondo could absolutely get that team to the playoffs. I understand the concept of teams not having stars etc...but your argument is that Ellis is better than Rondo and that Rondo is a product of his environment...but how many times last season did Rondo take over a game for the Celtics? How many times has Ellis done that in his career? How many times has that resulted in the Warriors winning games. I'll give you a clue, go on Wikipedia and look up "Golden State Warriors".

[tyrone biggums]

Because he's better.... duh...

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i disagree, i think the whole new orleans thing was about danny and other teams trying to take advantage of an opportunity with the league owned money losing hornets.  however, no other team has shown any interest in Rondo.  Yet Monta is valued by many teams.  many many more teams than Rondo.

Really? So why wasn't Golden State able to unload him then? Why didn't Danny just give away Rondo since he has such a team friendly contract? I find it hard to believe that teams that are starting scrub point guards wouldn't want Rondo.

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So because in your opinion Ellis is better is the reason why NO ONE WOULD TRADE FOR HIM??? Could it be that everyone else sees Ellis for what he is...plays average at best defense and throws up a bunch of shots a game. He's not a terrible player, but he is absolutely not on Rondo's level. End of story