Why did we trade MarShon Brooks for jjj and Moore

[Stig]

Oh, come on. With a veteran team and no training camp, obviously the rookies won't be ready and playing solid minutes.

As for all these "we should have picked X" ideas, realize you are talking about gunners on bad teams. Brooks played in garbage time, and still frequently got lit up by other scrubs. He scored 17 on the hawks? Great, he allowed McGrady to score 12 and was -15 for the game.

That's one of the worse games he played, but looking at the +/- of that game, there aren't much Nets players ranked better than him. The 2nd time they meet Hawks he scored 21 (8/13) while McGrady scored 6.

He's not playing garbage time, he's play very quality time. Sure he's in one of the worst teams in NBA, but so was good scorers like Nick Young, Jamal Crawford, and most of high drafted rookies..

[PosImpos]

Note that although Marshon is putting up big numbers on a bad team with few offensive options, he is doing so with very high effiency (28 PER).


Also, if you're talking about a bench gunner, poor defense is not nearly as much of an issue.  That's how Jamal Crawford (and to some extent Jason Terry) has made a career for himself.  Much easier to defend second unit opponents, and less noticeable when you don't.

[j804]

I personally wanted him and was happy when we got him only to be let down shortly after. 

[MBz]

He would be averaging about 3 minutes a game in garbage time if he was on the celts. You can't judge players that don't play and Doc wouldn't play him if he were on this team.

well that would be the sign of a bad coach than. 

I agree.  I think JuJuan Johnson should be playing at least a couple minutes a night.  You invested a first round pick in him, you need to at least give him the opportunity to see game time so he can develop.  If he was 18-19, I'd understand, but he's 22, the kid needs to play.

where & when is the question
kg and bass should have all the minutes at pf, jermaine 20 minutes a night, still have wilcox and the kid stiemsma has looked good enough to deserve minutes
bass has looked really good and I'm sure doc wants to get kg and jo moving so their minutes will be there

Give him 3 minutes in the first quarter.  He's not going to develop if we don't play him at all.

Because it's always a great idea to put a guy not up to speed defensively in against starters when you're trying to win.

Very rare that both starting bigs for any team play the entire first quarter.  Also, us losing a couple extra games shouldn't be a major issue, we aren't playing for the #1 seed, we need to play to make the playoffs and be healthy.

[cman88]

something has to be said that JJJ is at a position of alot of depth as well.

KG/Bass/Wilcox  hes just so far down the rotation...doesnt mean the kid is a bad player though.

in hindsight, Ainge shouldve kept brooks...but at that point shaq retired and there was no evidence we were getting anything for BBD...we needed big bodies

[dlpin]

Oh, come on. With a veteran team and no training camp, obviously the rookies won't be ready and playing solid minutes.

As for all these "we should have picked X" ideas, realize you are talking about gunners on bad teams. Brooks played in garbage time, and still frequently got lit up by other scrubs. He scored 17 on the hawks? Great, he allowed McGrady to score 12 and was -15 for the game.

That's one of the worse games he played, but looking at the +/- of that game, there aren't much Nets players ranked better than him. The 2nd time they meet Hawks he scored 21 (8/13) while McGrady scored 6.

He's not playing garbage time, he's play very quality time. Sure he's in one of the worst teams in NBA, but so was good scorers like Nick Young, Jamal Crawford, and most of high drafted rookies..

Are you kidding me?
1st Atlanta game and Orlando were all garbage minutes. And he barely played against the wizards. So no, he has not played a lot o quality time. And he got lit up by jj too.

[Stig]

Oh, come on. With a veteran team and no training camp, obviously the rookies won't be ready and playing solid minutes.

As for all these "we should have picked X" ideas, realize you are talking about gunners on bad teams. Brooks played in garbage time, and still frequently got lit up by other scrubs. He scored 17 on the hawks? Great, he allowed McGrady to score 12 and was -15 for the game.

That's one of the worse games he played, but looking at the +/- of that game, there aren't much Nets players ranked better than him. The 2nd time they meet Hawks he scored 21 (8/13) while McGrady scored 6.

He's not playing garbage time, he's play very quality time. Sure he's in one of the worst teams in NBA, but so was good scorers like Nick Young, Jamal Crawford, and most of high drafted rookies..

Are you kidding me?
1st Atlanta game and Orlando were all garbage minutes. And he barely played against the wizards. So no, he has not played a lot o quality time. And he got lit up by jj too.

No I kid you not.

He didn't play much in his FIRST EVER nba game, but still got 6 points in 8 minutes. He's got quality minutes in the fist half of the 1st Atlanta game and Orlando game, if those were all garbage minutes, then our games with Hornets and Pistons were also garbage.

[dtrader]

Oh, come on. With a veteran team and no training camp, obviously the rookies won't be ready and playing solid minutes.

As for all these "we should have picked X" ideas, realize you are talking about gunners on bad teams. Brooks played in garbage time, and still frequently got lit up by other scrubs. He scored 17 on the hawks? Great, he allowed McGrady to score 12 and was -15 for the game.

Brooks HASNT just played in garbage time.  He's played well against all the teams he's faced so far.  At first people said it was one game, then it was just garbage time, then it was just against a bad team , etc, etc.  The fact is, he looks like he's going to be doing it consistently now.  And he's not JUST scoring.  He's defending too.  He's not a lock down defender, but he's definitely not bad.  First game they played tmac had 12, and Brooks had 17.  Last game, Tmac was limited to 6 points, got blocked by Brooks, and gave up 21.  Tmac isnt a scrub.  Hes not the star he was, but he's far from a scrub.

Brooks would definitely get play time for us.  He's a long athletic wing capable of getting his shot off on his own.  He wouldnt be starting for us (though I bet he will be for the nets soon), but I see no reason why he wouldn't play 10-15 mins a game in place of marquis or pietrus.  With how many chances Bradley has been given, I dont think it's reasonable to say Brooks wouldnt be given a look (especially if he had a game where he dropped 17 in 20 minutes for us).

[gar]

Danny must have already had some ideas about bringing back either Delonte or Quis or both. Brooks was definitely the best player available at that pick; but to draft for need and get a player like JjJ is hard to fault.

[Change]

Guards like Marshon are dime a dozen. But few bigs are as talented as JJ. I believe in 5 years Jajuan will be an allstar.

[TripleOT]

Guards like Marshon are dime a dozen. But few bigs are as talented as JJ. I believe in 5 years Jajuan will be an allstar.

Too bad Danny didn't spend a dime the last 5 drafts and gotten one, because this team desperately needs a scoring wing with the second unit.

It's a tiny sample size, but even the biggest JJJ defender has to admit that Brooks has shown that he can fill it up (15.2 ppg on 49% shooting, and 7th highest scorer per minute in the entire league). 

I don't know if Brooks would have been able to get rotation minutes on the Cs, who stress defense.  It's going to suck to see Brooks become a big time scorer while the beanpole JJJ barely finds any traction in the league the next couple of seasons. 

I really want to be wrong about this one, but from what I've seen, Brooks looks like a prototype scoring SG (perfect SG size, natural ability to fill it up, not shy about hoisting shots at any time, good shooter, athletic finisher).

Thinking of Brooks as Ray Allen's understudy for a couple of seasons before stepping up as a starter next to Rondo had me thrilled for about three minutes on draft night.

On a woeful Nets team, I expect Brooks to put up huge (if empty) numbers this season.  Don't be surprised if he leads all rookies in scoring this season.     

[bfrombleacher]

Guards like Marshon are dime a dozen. But few bigs are as talented as JJ. I believe in 5 years Jajuan will be an allstar.

Too bad Danny didn't spend a dime the last 5 drafts and gotten one, because this team desperately needs a scoring wing with the second unit.

Pietrus and Marquis Daniels are more than enough for a bench. Jeff Green would also have been a wing scorer. I have a feeling Pietrus might be leaning towards staying here as well.

[dlpin]

Oh, come on. With a veteran team and no training camp, obviously the rookies won't be ready and playing solid minutes.

As for all these "we should have picked X" ideas, realize you are talking about gunners on bad teams. Brooks played in garbage time, and still frequently got lit up by other scrubs. He scored 17 on the hawks? Great, he allowed McGrady to score 12 and was -15 for the game.

Brooks HASNT just played in garbage time.  He's played well against all the teams he's faced so far.  At first people said it was one game, then it was just garbage time, then it was just against a bad team , etc, etc.  The fact is, he looks like he's going to be doing it consistently now.  And he's not JUST scoring.  He's defending too.  He's not a lock down defender, but he's definitely not bad.  First game they played tmac had 12, and Brooks had 17.  Last game, Tmac was limited to 6 points, got blocked by Brooks, and gave up 21.  Tmac isnt a scrub.  Hes not the star he was, but he's far from a scrub.

Brooks would definitely get play time for us.  He's a long athletic wing capable of getting his shot off on his own.  He wouldnt be starting for us (though I bet he will be for the nets soon), but I see no reason why he wouldn't play 10-15 mins a game in place of marquis or pietrus.  With how many chances Bradley has been given, I dont think it's reasonable to say Brooks wouldnt be given a look (especially if he had a game where he dropped 17 in 20 minutes for us).

Huh? The nets were out of the game against the hawks and magic after the first quarter. So two of thwart 3 games he did ok he was on the wrong side of a blow out.

[Celtics4ever]

It is way too early to tell how this is going to pan out one way or another.

[clover]

Guards like Marshon are dime a dozen. But few bigs are as talented as JJ. I believe in 5 years Jajuan will be an allstar.

Yep, in general, bigs are harder to come by and worth more than equivalently talented guards.  They also take longer to develop.  Brooks may prove to be a good player and a good pick, he's off to a good start.  But if 3J pans out in the next couple of years, he'll be the more valuable player and the better pick.