Why did we trade MarShon Brooks for jjj and Moore

[Stig]

MarShon Brooks is averaging 15points in 23 minutes, while jjj and moore can only play in garbage time. Isn't he the kind of 2/3 scorer we need at the moment?

[adam8]

He would be averaging about 3 minutes a game in garbage time if he was on the celts. You can't judge players that don't play and Doc wouldn't play him if he were on this team.

[bfrombleacher]

He would be averaging about 3 minutes a game in garbage time if he was on the celts. You can't judge players that don't play and Doc wouldn't play him if he were on this team.

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[Moranis]

He would be averaging about 3 minutes a game in garbage time if he was on the celts. You can't judge players that don't play and Doc wouldn't play him if he were on this team.

well that would be the sign of a bad coach than. 

[MBz]

He would be averaging about 3 minutes a game in garbage time if he was on the celts. You can't judge players that don't play and Doc wouldn't play him if he were on this team.

well that would be the sign of a bad coach than. 

I agree.  I think JuJuan Johnson should be playing at least a couple minutes a night.  You invested a first round pick in him, you need to at least give him the opportunity to see game time so he can develop.  If he was 18-19, I'd understand, but he's 22, the kid needs to play.

[Stig]

I think if Brooks is in the Celtics, Doc will let him play some meaningful minutes, at least in the first few games.

People were talking about getting Nick Young and Jamal Crawford, Brooks isn't far behind those guys but is much younger and cheaper. If he can play for the Celtics then the 2nd unit will have a lot more fire power.

Again I don't understand what do we gain by exchanging Brooks with Johnson, who's getting the least minutes at the moment. It'll probably take two seasons for Johnson to grow to a reliable bench player, while Brooks is ready now.

[birdbrady]

so tired of this "Doc doesn't play the rookies" garbage.

Doc doesn't play the rookies that suck (Giddens, Bradley, and now maybe Johnson.)

But the rookies that were good (Al, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Rajon Rondo) played.  Funny how that works.  West ended up being the starting 2-guard in a playoff series.  And Tony Allen started much of that season on a team (05 Celtics) that eventually won the division.

We all saw JaJuan Johnson play in the pre-season and he looked like garbage.  Brooks played in the pre-season and played well.  Brooks is continuing his solid play.  Johnson isn't there.

I'm really getting impatient with Danny's drafts.  This team doesn't have a lick of young talent at all.  I don't think anyone is expecting a young Kobe with his draft picks.  But to not come away with one contributor in four full years is as bad as it gets.

[jason macleod]

Would it be fair to acknowledge that Marshon is averaging those numbers on the Nets (who currently don't even have Lopez) and isn't necessarily interested in being elite defensive team?  Doc tends to "protect" rookies because of their acclimation with offensive sets and defensive rotations.  Until players display competence Doc tends to "protect" them.  Could Marshon be so quickly integrated into the Celtics sysytem as he is in New jersey?

[Inside-Out]

so tired of this "Doc doesn't play the rookies" garbage.

Doc doesn't play the rookies that suck (Giddens, Bradley, and now maybe Johnson.)

But the rookies that were good (Al, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Rajon Rondo) played.  Funny how that works.  West ended up being the starting 2-guard in a playoff series.  And Tony Allen started much of that season on a team (05 Celtics) that eventually won the division.

We all saw JaJuan Johnson play in the pre-season and he looked like garbage.  Brooks played in the pre-season and played well.  Brooks is continuing his solid play.  Johnson isn't there.

I'm really getting impatient with Danny's drafts.  This team doesn't have a lick of young talent at all.  I don't think anyone is expecting a young Kobe with his draft picks.  But to not come away with one contributor in four full years is as bad as it gets.

My first thought on the drafting was regression to the mean: the early drafts were pretty solid, the last several...not so much.

Then I thought about the team.  The players drafted early in the Ainge Regime played because the team sucked and they had to.  He even added non-drafted young players to try to find someone.  Remember the PG experiments?  JR Bremer?

Perhaps the players drafted earlier turned out to be more solid NBA players because they were developed on the court, rather than being afterthoughts?

[bfrombleacher]

Would it be fair to acknowledge that Marshon is averaging those numbers on the Nets (who currently don't even have Lopez) and isn't necessarily interested in being elite defensive team?  Doc tends to "protect" rookies because of their acclimation with offensive sets and defensive rotations.  Until players display competence Doc tends to "protect" them.  Could Marshon be so quickly integrated into the Celtics sysytem as he is in New jersey?

Also I think there might be some sort of hierarchy with 4 Hall of Famers. Even Bass has had playoff experience. Maybe Doc might have felt and still is feeling the need to respect that?

As for the other guy who said Brookes showed up in the preseason, even in the preseason JJJ didn't get much playing time and on top of that JJJ barely got touches.

Doc is a good coach at making adjustments and strategizing but I think players have to work real hard to earn his trust, which is both good and bad. Doc leaned on a struggling Baby last year even with Troy Murphy and Krstic both available. As a few others have pointed out Troy Murphy is producing for our nemesis right now.

[Stig]

I don't think Brooks has much integration with the Nets, he's a selfish scorer. But do you really see a integration in our second unit, especially offensively?

We have plenty of team players who can play D, but the truth is except Bass we haven't got anyone from the bench can score. We scored 10 points in the 4th quarter yesterday, facing a rubbish Pistons team.

[Celtics4ever]

Doc should have played the rooks some more last night.  I think he stuck to the starters for way too long.

[footey]

Doc should have played the rooks some more last night.  I think he stuck to the starters for way too long.

Normally would agree, but it was so important to get the win, going away, last night, to get back on the right track.  Look, when we put the scrubs in with just a few minutes to go, the lead dwindled from about 18 to 10.  Doc did the right thing.

[2short]

He would be averaging about 3 minutes a game in garbage time if he was on the celts. You can't judge players that don't play and Doc wouldn't play him if he were on this team.

well that would be the sign of a bad coach than. 

I agree.  I think JuJuan Johnson should be playing at least a couple minutes a night.  You invested a first round pick in him, you need to at least give him the opportunity to see game time so he can develop.  If he was 18-19, I'd understand, but he's 22, the kid needs to play.

where & when is the question
kg and bass should have all the minutes at pf, jermaine 20 minutes a night, still have wilcox and the kid stiemsma has looked good enough to deserve minutes
bass has looked really good and I'm sure doc wants to get kg and jo moving so their minutes will be there

[Greenbean]

Where Ainge has been drafting is a crap shoot.

Ainge is on an unlucky streak but there arent many players to be had in the bottom 3rd of the first round.

We are certainly due though!

Also, as a fan of PC basketball, I was highly disappointed when they traded Brooks. I thought he could be a scorer instantly in the NBA.

It's a case where Danny drafted for need rather than talent in my opinion.

But I dont fault him, I wouldnt have been surprised if Brooks didnt turn out to be a player either. No guarantees in the Draft at all.