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Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #135 on: January 02, 2012, 11:48:15 PM »

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Maybe someone said this, but I sorta think Bass should start and KG should come off the bench. Or they should at least try this a lot. Tonite KG played like 33 mins and Bass played 31.  I dont' see why maybe it could be something like KG playing 27 and Bass playing more.

Nah, I don't think that would be smart.  Sends a bad message to KG.  I don't think KG would do well coming off the bench.  I like using Bass the same way they used Glen Davis -- bring him off the bench but play him starter minutes and have him finish the game with KG at center.
Better to have KG's defense against starting PFs more frequently out of his minutes than Bass.

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #136 on: January 03, 2012, 01:00:18 AM »

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Maybe someone said this, but I sorta think Bass should start and KG should come off the bench. Or they should at least try this a lot. Tonite KG played like 33 mins and Bass played 31.  I dont' see why maybe it could be something like KG playing 27 and Bass playing more.

It's possible to reduce KG's minutes without having him come off the bench.  If the problem is KG being too tired at the end of the fourth quarter, then the solution is bring him back into the game with six instead of eight minutes left or whenever he comes in.  Having him come off the bench either makes him more tired or less available for the end of the fourth quarter.  Reducing KG's minutes probably means giving 5mpg to Johnson or a big other than Bass.

I haven't been able to watch any games.  Has Doc experimented with three shorter stints per half instead of two for KG?
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Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #137 on: January 03, 2012, 01:02:23 AM »

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Maybe someone said this, but I sorta think Bass should start and KG should come off the bench. Or they should at least try this a lot. Tonite KG played like 33 mins and Bass played 31.  I dont' see why maybe it could be something like KG playing 27 and Bass playing more.

It's possible to reduce KG's minutes without having him come off the bench.  If the problem is KG being too tired at the end of the fourth quarter, then the solution is bring him back into the game with six instead of eight minutes left or whenever he comes in.  Having him come off the bench either makes him more tired or less available for the end of the fourth quarter.  Reducing KG's minutes probably means giving 5mpg to Johnson or a big other than Bass.

I haven't been able to watch any games.  Has Doc experimented with three shorter stints per half instead of two for KG?
He's been trying playing in him in five minutes but hasn't kept to that in the fourth.

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #138 on: January 03, 2012, 03:44:33 PM »

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Flip Saunders used to coach KG. Here was some stuff he said about him after the most recent games against Washington.

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Players make adjustments as they get older, what has he seen from KG?

"I don't think he's made any adjustments. I mean -- the one thing about KG, you have to understand, his adjustment, starting when he was a rookie all the way until now, 17 years later, is that, whatever they give him, he's going to take. Whatever the coach asks him to do, he's going to do. If they want him to try to score more, he might try to score more. But, he's going to always make the right play when he's on the floor. If I had to say an adjustment he's made, I'd say, like most players, when Kevin came in the league, he's a 7-footer who never wanted to be a seven-footer, so I called him 6-foot-13. I said he came into the league as a 3 man, he became an All-Star and he was an All-Pro player as a 4 man, and he'll probably finish his career as a 5 man. But his effectiveness has been astonishing, except for his injured year. When he's been healthy, he's been very effective."



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Has Garnett gone into the paint more?

"He'll go into the paint at times. Like I said, in Minnesota he averaged 25, 26 [points] per game and 15 rebounds, so he did that. But still, when he was down there, he would always make the right play. You know, he wouldn't take a poor shot, and if he got trapped, he passed the ball out. So he's going to make the right basketball play. That's what he's been weened to do."


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How do you see him dealing with age?

"I know I saw him [play well Sunday] night. His body did pretty much everything he wanted it to do. So, I didn't see much aging [Sunday] night. One thing about KG, he's always taken care of himself. It started when he was a young guy, he was, like I said, brought up the right way. He's always lifted weights, he's taken care of himself, and so he's been able to always go... Sometimes on back-to-backs, he might not have the same lift, but no one does. Kobe [Bryant] doesn't either. None of those guys [do.] It's just the amount of minutes you put, as far as, on your body. But, when I look at him, as they get older they might not have that, but they know to stay away from the things, and try to keep out of trouble. So I think he knows how to do that. But he's always been... KG's always been one of the most cerebral players I've ever had. We'd go through scouting reports and he'd say, 'Well, five years ago, we pick-and-rolled this way against this guy.' He's got a phenomenal memory, he doesn't forget anything, and he remembers how to guard people, how to play people, and I think that's one of the reasons -- his game preparation -- is why he always has an opportunity to have success, even when he gets older and maybe he's not as quick as he used to be." 

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How do you have Andray Blatche ignore KG on the court?

"Well, I think you've got to go out and you've got to take it to KG. I know that when I had him, he had his most problems when guys just went right at him, and didn't back down. It might be easier said than done, but this game is as much mental as it is physical. I know a lot of people get on KG around the league because of how he gets on players, and he's always been a guy that's always talked, but I've always said, he does that to motivate himself. That's kind of how he motivates himself to go out and play. I know one thing, there's not a guy in the league that plays with as much passion for 48 minutes on the floor as he does. So, any coach would relish the opportunity to have somebody like that."


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Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #139 on: January 03, 2012, 04:02:41 PM »

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Good stuff Kane...TP. That interview with Flip might deserve its own thread.

Makes me believe even stronger in the fact that KG will coach in this league.

He says absolutely not now but he has too advanced of a basketball mind to let it go to waste.

He will need to compete somehow.

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #140 on: January 03, 2012, 04:16:46 PM »

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Yeah another TP from me Kane that was a very intersting read.  KG has been great here but I always imagine what would have happend if he didn't waste away on the T-Wolves all those years.  I think he was the best player in the league no doubt and at that point the best PF of all time.  Such a great player.
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Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #141 on: January 03, 2012, 04:21:01 PM »

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Kevin Garnett is made up of 3 equal parts. 1/3 done, 1/3 average nba power forward, 1/3 all-star.

If you watch three straight games, you'll most likely see an appearance from each.

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #142 on: January 03, 2012, 05:15:39 PM »

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Kevin Garnett is made up of 3 equal parts. 1/3 done, 1/3 average nba power forward, 1/3 all-star.

If you watch three straight games, you'll most likely see an appearance from each.

This is probably right.
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Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #143 on: January 03, 2012, 05:17:21 PM »

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Kevin Garnett is made up of 3 equal parts. 1/3 done, 1/3 average nba power forward, 1/3 all-star.

If you watch three straight games, you'll most likely see an appearance from each.

This is probably right.
Offensively its certainly true, up through last year he still brought it as a defensive force and defensive rebounder. It remains to be seen whether or not he can play at that level this year, so far he hasn't.

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #144 on: January 03, 2012, 05:21:14 PM »

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He's not done, he's just an aging superstar. For arguement's sake, is Duncan done? His # are worse.

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #145 on: January 04, 2012, 10:45:43 AM »

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Biggest problem I see is his inability to rebound....I don't care if he doesn't score down low anymore, but he has to rebound better.  **** 7' tall and can't get a board is allowing way too many offensive rebounds.

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2012, 10:55:43 AM »

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Yeah another TP from me Kane that was a very intersting read.  KG has been great here but I always imagine what would have happend if he didn't waste away on the T-Wolves all those years.  I think he was the best player in the league no doubt and at that point the best PF of all time.  Such a great player.

This.

I remember reading a post a while a go that if you look purely at advanced metrics (wins produced, defensive and offensive efficiencies, etc.) then Kevin Garnett should have won like 4 MVPs (including the year he did win). That is, for the 3 years after he won, he was still a far better player than Steve Nash or Dirk Nowitzki, but the success of the others was more noticeable because they were on better teams.

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #147 on: January 04, 2012, 11:06:46 AM »

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I used to watch the T-Wolves during the KG years , he was such fun to watch even on sucky team , and dream of him being a Celtic ( a natural) , so its hard for me to say he needs to retire . The time is really close. He is one of charcacters like Bird , ect that is unforgettable NBA icon and would be disaster to see him fade away sitting on the bench of another team and get injured . Hope he retires a Celtic. Or stays another year in a minor backup role...to bring along new talent ::)

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2012, 10:46:23 PM »

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the writing is on the wall; KG is FINISHED!

FREE Jajuan johnson

Re: Is KG Done?
« Reply #149 on: January 11, 2012, 10:50:09 PM »

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KG looked done tonight.  He cost us the game.  He missed a WIDE OPEN 16 footer that he used to make 80% of the time in the last 2 minutes and then simply lost the ball with a minute to go.  He has NO lift!  NONE!  He simply CANNOT jump any more.  Yes, he looks done.

Agree with free JJ.

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