Is KG Done?

[anthony83]

The problem with KG is that he's not playing anything inside, and his jumper is inconsistent at the end of 4th quarters (and he's taking some long ones). Other than that he's completely fine. This "done" notion is absurd in my opinion.

 I agree, he´s not playing inside,in playoff he plays more inside but is normal, the players when they are oldest do not play on the inside too. But the shot of KG from 5 to 6 meters is very good.

 "DONE" THIS IS ABSURD.

 

[drza44]

All around the NBA, the vet players have started extremely slowly.  Either they all went down simultaneously, or the Lockout affected the vets more than the youngsters.  I think the latter is much more likely than the former.

As for KG, he obviously isn't remotely in shape yet.  This last week looked a lot like he did in the second half of the 2010 season.  The giveaway is the rebounds...in 2010 he had no quick explosiveness and couldn't rebound to save his life.  In 2011, he suddenly was among the league leaders in rebound% again.

When KG's rebound % comes back up (and coincidentally, that'll also be when he starts to operate a bit more comfortably creating his own offense) we'll have a better idea of where KG is right now.  If he doesn't get re-injured (unfortunately a possibility), I still expect that he'll be a lot better at the end of 2012 than he was at the end of 2011.  He's had the longest offseason rest that he's had in years, he's another year removed from the knee surgery...the schedule this year could be hard, but the way he's playing himself into shape I think you're likely to see him get better as the year goes along and then not fade as much as he may have in previous years.

We'll see.

[MBz]

The problem with KG is that he's not playing anything inside, and his jumper is inconsistent at the end of 4th quarters (and he's taking some long ones). Other than that he's completely fine. This "done" notion is absurd in my opinion.

 I agree, he´s not playing inside,in playoff he plays more inside but is normal, the players when they are oldest do not play on the inside too. But the shot of KG from 5 to 6 meters is very good.

 "DONE" THIS IS ABSURD.

 

He went inside against Miami in the playoffs once, that was actually the game we won.  He didn't do it much in the four games we lost.

[Greenbean]

Yes KG is done...

Done knocking off the rust of the lockout and is ready to compete like a maniac

[csfansince60s]

I think a lot of it has to do with him being out of shape. I don't think KG played much ball during the offseason especially with the lockout. Some of his struggles probably have to do with him dropping of some, but I think a lot of it has to do with him being out of shape/rusty. Doc has been trying to play KG is 5-6 minute spurts because of this. I think KG will look much better in a week or two when he starts getting into game shape.

Completely agree with this.

I think KG very much believed that there would not be a season and was very unprepared physically and menatlly.

He's coming around even though it's against lower-tiered teams.

Bosh and Amare were really tough matchups for him as opening games.

Let's see how he does in a month against the upper echelon teams before we decide KG has dropped off significantly.

[cman88]

the lockout/shortened offseason has really hit the older teams/players IMO...lakers, mavs, celtics alot of players look like they still arent in game shape yet..it may take them a couple weeks to get back to where they usually are at the beginning of the season.

I dont think Pierce is in game shape yet either

[TAllen]

Yes KG is done...

Done knocking off the rust of the lockout and is ready to compete like a maniac

TP!

[OttawaCeltic]

Yea KG's is done. He's old and weary and gets a single 20 point night each month(without taking about 20 FGA)

[Bankshot]

I'm glad KG played well last night, but I think he had all 9 of his rebounds in the first half, none in the second half.  When Washington started to play better, he didn't get any more rebounds.  Now I should say that I really don't think he is done, but I do think his days as a consistent player might be over. But I certainly wouldn't mind being wrong, because the Celtics could really be good this year if we get some good performances out of KG on a consistent basis.

[steefp2]

I'm glad KG played well last night, but I think he had all 9 of his rebounds in the first half, none in the second half.  When Washington started to play better, he didn't get any more rebounds.  Now I should say that I really don't think he is done, but I do think his days as a consistent player might be over. But I certainly wouldn't mind being wrong, because the Celtics could really be good this year if we get some good performances out of KG on a consistent basis.

I think he had like 2 rebounds early third quarter but your point still stands. Though i think it's important that in the second half when kg was on the floor he was boxing out pretty good but rondo (and others) was just gobbling all those rebounds up.

It's still pretty inexcusable that Mcgee had so many offensive boards, most of those were just from pure hustle wich really shouldn't happen.

[wahz]

I also think it would be a great idea to make up a "is KG done?" banner and have it at Celtics games home and away and make sure he sees it. Kind of like the John 3:16 posters.

We might win the title.

[Neurotic Guy]

At any point in the preceeding 8 pages has there been a definition put forth for 'done'?   If so, I apologize for not reading through the thread. But if not, how about developing some objective criteria.

I'll start by suggesting that 'done' is probably an exageration from the start.  I am guessing the OP means that he isn't what he once was. And I would guess that just about everyone would agree with that assessment. 

So, in order for 'done' to be debatable, let's assume it means that he can no longer do any semblance of what he once did to contribute to a highly competitive team.  Given that consistent high level performance would be essential for KG to be considered 'undone', I'd like to suggest the following offensive standards as criteria:

1. He averages at least 13, 7 and 3 in 30 MPG.
2. He performs poorly (< 8/4/1 or comparative) in fewer than 25% of games in which he plays >25 minutes.
3. He plays 25+ minutes in <90% of games.

Defensive standards: I need help quantifying.

Offensively, KG thus far:

Game:
1. 15/8/3
2. 12/5/2
3. 8/7/4
4. 8/3/3
5. 24/9/3

Season averages so far: 13.4/ 6.4/ 3

To this point in the season, he is just about right at the cut-off for 'done' based on the offensive criteria I proposed.  I'd say he has had 1 poor and 1 borderline offensive game (statistically).

Of course, the 'eye test' may tell a different story and should be part of the assessment, but just as stats are often insufficient to draw definitive conclusions, so goes the eye test. 

[Jon]

I'm glad KG played well last night, but I think he had all 9 of his rebounds in the first half, none in the second half.  When Washington started to play better, he didn't get any more rebounds.  Now I should say that I really don't think he is done, but I do think his days as a consistent player might be over. But I certainly wouldn't mind being wrong, because the Celtics could really be good this year if we get some good performances out of KG on a consistent basis.

I think he had like 2 rebounds early third quarter but your point still stands. Though i think it's important that in the second half when kg was on the floor he was boxing out pretty good but rondo (and others) was just gobbling all those rebounds up.

It's still pretty inexcusable that Mcgee had so many offensive boards, most of those were just from pure hustle wich really shouldn't happen.

I think in general you're going to see the entire team be up and down statistically.  Part of that is due to age and part of that is because there's so much talent, balance, and unselfishness here.  Even in the height of the Big Three Era in 2008, there were games when Ray, Paul, or KG went for single digits.

Now that doesn't totally account for rebounds.  But I think part of the issue with KG is that he's a very effective 18 foot jump shooter.  When he's open, he hits the short with shocking efficiency.  The downside of course is that it leaves him nowhere near the basket.  

Still, while I don't expect him to post 20 and 10, I think he can still be quite effective.  

[nickagneta]

I'm glad KG played well last night, but I think he had all 9 of his rebounds in the first half, none in the second half.  When Washington started to play better, he didn't get any more rebounds.  Now I should say that I really don't think he is done, but I do think his days as a consistent player might be over. But I certainly wouldn't mind being wrong, because the Celtics could really be good this year if we get some good performances out of KG on a consistent basis.

I think he had like 2 rebounds early third quarter but your point still stands. Though i think it's important that in the second half when kg was on the floor he was boxing out pretty good but rondo (and others) was just gobbling all those rebounds up.

It's still pretty inexcusable that Mcgee had so many offensive boards, most of those were just from pure hustle wich really shouldn't happen.

I think in general you're going to see the entire team be up and down statistically.  Part of that is due to age and part of that is because there's so much talent, balance, and unselfishness here.  Even in the height of the Big Three Era in 2008, there were games when Ray, Paul, or KG went for single digits.

Now that doesn't totally account for rebounds.  But I think part of the issue with KG is that he's a very effective 18 foot jump shooter.  When he's open, he hits the short with shocking efficiency.  The downside of course is that it leaves him nowhere near the basket.  

Still, while I don't expect him to post 20 and 10, I think he can still be quite effective.  

TP...good point Jon. So far 5 games and 4 different high scorers. This could be a common theme all year as this team has any one of about 8-9 players that could end up being high scorers on any given night due to the depth the team has and the way Doc will use them all and rest players regularly.

[Celtics4ever]

Ray has been the most consistent and is notorious for being a fitness and training fanatic.  Rondo though is up there too pretty much this year.