We're Not Gonna Blow It Up, OK?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

"Blow it up" is the phrase that I get to dislike....because it shows people still think you can " Just sign some STARS!"  Well, that was a "one timer!"...Now the reality is you might have to develop some rookies, take some chances..maybe get scouts that really know talent and potential when they see it....play some rookies tll THEY are actualy tired, not till they "make a mistake!"......

[lightspeed5]

"Blow it up" is the phrase that I get to dislike....because it shows people still think you can " Just sign some STARS!"  Well, that was a "one timer!"...Now the reality is you might have to develop some rookies, take some chances..maybe get scouts that really know talent and potential when they see it....play some rookies tll THEY are actualy tired, not till they "make a mistake!"......

100% agreed.

I also think the phrase sounds stupid...

[FatjohnReturns]

Agree.  if ray and kg want to return on vet minimums deals next year great. With our cap space available we could get some quality free agents and with the hopefull return of jeff green. we could be right back competing for the eastern conference.

trading any of the big3 will net marginal talent on bad contracts. good topic op.

[Marcus13]

I don't see Ray in the vet min market next year.  I know his age...but dude has been one of our only bright spots through the first three games.  His game hasn't fallen off at all the last couple years

[jpk2000]

KG and Ray ain't going anywhere. They're still two of the better PF and SG in the league. I think people are overreacting, again! 

[tyrone biggums]

blowing the team up would be signing roy hibbert & oj mayo in the off season with a starting 5 of

rondo
mayo
pierce or green
Bass
Hibbert

Now that's a starting 5 ^

I can't argue that, that is in fact a starting five, how good of a starting five is a different matter entirely.

Yeah that's not a great starting 5. They'll probably make the playoffs.

That's no better than an 8th seed, I also don't think the Pacers trade Hibbert without getting Rondo back

[ManchesterCelticsFan]

if danny does blow it up via trades, im very nervous.  his track record is poor when it comes to trades (obviously with the exception of kg and ray....but lets not forget b4 that summer, there was serious discussion that danny's job as gm was in jeopardy)

I think he's had more decent/good trades than that but with lesser known, role players. Humans can also learn from their mistakes.

really?  think long and hard about his trades since he got here up until the big 3 era....terrible all around imo. then the perk deal obviously sucked in retrospect

He got more than most expected for Big Baby who would leave for more money anyways in Brandon Bass in a trade.

Perkins trade sucked for decreasing our chance at winning the championship (which was no gaurantee and may or may not have won anyways) last year.

This year and beyond, the Perkins trade was good as the C's couldn't afford the salary  via salary cap restrictions Oklahoma City are paying him.

i urge you to go back and look at all the trades he has made as our gm since day 1. 

Do you have a website link that lists all Danny Ainge's C's trades?

Some of those trades before acquiring KG & RA had motives to prepare himself to acquire expiring contracts that Minny and Seattle would want. Ainge has also proven to know how to collect "assets", like good young players and Draft picks. As long as he finds willing trading partners that want to get rid of their star players for financial reasons or they want to leave anyways, there's no reason he can't rebuild the C's the same way he did before again.

You also don't know how much Danny's Boss's, Wyc and Company have control over his GM-ing. Trading to get Antoine Walker back to generate a "buzz" in a mediocre team's season. Wyc's Man-Crush for Paul Pierce influenced Danny to give him $61 over 4 years which is probably on the high side at the time and his agent definately played off the emotion to get more money.

[Inside-Out]

if danny does blow it up via trades, im very nervous.  his track record is poor when it comes to trades (obviously with the exception of kg and ray....but lets not forget b4 that summer, there was serious discussion that danny's job as gm was in jeopardy)

I think he's had more decent/good trades than that but with lesser known, role players. Humans can also learn from their mistakes.

really?  think long and hard about his trades since he got here up until the big 3 era....terrible all around imo. then the perk deal obviously sucked in retrospect

He got more than most expected for Big Baby who would leave for more money anyways in Brandon Bass in a trade.

Perkins trade sucked for decreasing our chance at winning the championship (which was no gaurantee and may or may not have won anyways) last year.

This year and beyond, the Perkins trade was good as the C's couldn't afford the salary  via salary cap restrictions Oklahoma City are paying him.

i urge you to go back and look at all the trades he has made as our gm since day 1. 

Do you have a website link that lists all Danny Ainge's C's trades?

Some of those trades before acquiring KG & RA had motives to prepare himself to acquire expiring contracts that Minny and Seattle would want. Ainge has also proven to know how to collect "assets", like good young players and Draft picks. As long as he finds willing trading partners that want to get rid of their star players for financial reasons or they want to leave anyways, there's no reason he can't rebuild the C's the same way he did before again.

You also don't know how much Danny's Boss's, Wyc and Company have control over his GM-ing. Trading to get Antoine Walker back to generate a "buzz" in a mediocre team's season. Wyc's Man-Crush for Paul Pierce influenced Danny to give him $61 over 4 years which is probably on the high side at the time and his agent definately played off the emotion to get more money.

Good points.  He made trades that didn't really make basketball sense at the time...some lateral moves, deck chairs on the Titanic sort of things...a sucky team trading away a lottery pick, for example. 

The franchise was in THAT much of a shambles when he, as they say, walked through that door. 

So let's cut Danny some slack here in the last year of this incarnation of the C's, enjoy the show from time to time, and let him do his thing next year.  He's given himself two allstars in Pierce and Rondo, home court advantage on keeping Green and Bass, two firsts and cap space to work with. 

I think it's going to work out fine.

[dark_lord]

if danny does blow it up via trades, im very nervous.  his track record is poor when it comes to trades (obviously with the exception of kg and ray....but lets not forget b4 that summer, there was serious discussion that danny's job as gm was in jeopardy)

I think he's had more decent/good trades than that but with lesser known, role players. Humans can also learn from their mistakes.

really?  think long and hard about his trades since he got here up until the big 3 era....terrible all around imo. then the perk deal obviously sucked in retrospect

He got more than most expected for Big Baby who would leave for more money anyways in Brandon Bass in a trade.

Perkins trade sucked for decreasing our chance at winning the championship (which was no gaurantee and may or may not have won anyways) last year.

This year and beyond, the Perkins trade was good as the C's couldn't afford the salary  via salary cap restrictions Oklahoma City are paying him.

i urge you to go back and look at all the trades he has made as our gm since day 1.  

Do you have a website link that lists all Danny Ainge's C's trades?

Some of those trades before acquiring KG & RA had motives to prepare himself to acquire expiring contracts that Minny and Seattle would want. Ainge has also proven to know how to collect "assets", like good young players and Draft picks. As long as he finds willing trading partners that want to get rid of their star players for financial reasons or they want to leave anyways, there's no reason he can't rebuild the C's the same way he did before again.

You also don't know how much Danny's Boss's, Wyc and Company have control over his GM-ing. Trading to get Antoine Walker back to generate a "buzz" in a mediocre team's season. Wyc's Man-Crush for Paul Pierce influenced Danny to give him $61 over 4 years which is probably on the high side at the time and his agent definately played off the emotion to get more money.

you could research and find the trades.  they are out there, but i dont have the time or energy to do it for u.

i think it is naive to think that all the moves he did were part of his plan to land kg and ray.  i never doubt ainge's ability to draft (although it is concerning that since the big 3, the only guy that he drafted that has contributed was bbd. since then, none of his drafts have panned out).

my concern with ainge is strictly with trades.


edit....a simple google search found his work. that wasnt very hard, u could have done that.  here is a link:

http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/danny_ainge.htm

[ManchesterCelticsFan]

The trade Ainge did before the Big 3 era for the draft rights of Rondo was a good one. However, you are correct in that Ainge hasn't done much trading since the C's were built to be a Championship contender. Other than the Perk trade, and reviewing the link you put here, Ainge's only other quasi-major trade was to get Robinson from House.

Has Danny had any motive to trade and ruin the Chemistry of a Championship contender other than Perkins leaving for more $$$ this year and getting nothing in return for him had he not Traded Perkins?

Clearly with the David West and Chris Paul Rumors this off-season, Danny has been a lot more aggressive at trying to trade to upgrade the talent of the team because he knows, along with most people, that the C's need a talent upgrade to be a leading Championship contender now. He missed, sure, but it's better than sitting on his butt, collecting his pay-checks and counting his cash.

All his trades did not lead up to KG & RA anticipation, but the one that got Theo Ratliff's expiring contract did which is why he had to give up a Draft Pick. Wasn't that Brandon Roy who made a few All-Star teams but also had bad knees and is forced to retire early? A lot of us C's fans, including me, did not see the method to his madness at the time, but in hindsight, a good portion of his trades make sense.

I'm not trying to say Danny is perfect, not trying to say that Danny's a great trader or anything, just want to point out that there was a strategy or a process to get RA & KG and that starts with good drafting and acquiring assets.

Quantity + Potential (Young Players that can improve and play a lot of years) for Quality (KG + RA)

Al Jefferson + Gomes + Draft Picks + Expiring Contract + The Rest for KG

D. West + Wally for RA

[celtics2]

The explosion already happened, Shaq, JO, Pierce, KG, Pietrus,Green, West, short season, back to backs, back to back to backs. And only the shock waves are here so far. While we tinker with a starting 5 and for bandages to come off 8 other Teams in the East will beat us out. Boston is due a Miracle because that's what it is going to take. God forbid an 8th or 7th place finish. The World would see a sad end to The Great Experiment.