Donny Marshall: Celts still considering trading Rondo (merged)

[Moranis]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qd9v6c

Celts get Nash, Gortat
Suns get Rondo, Bradley, Bass and CLippers 1st round pick

Suns get a young all star and a first rounder
Celtics get two great players, and Gortat at a very reasonable price

Actually what the Celtics get is screwed for overpaying for an end-of-the-road, no-D PG and a mediocre center in exchange for an all-star PG, defensive guard, solid backup PF and a 1st round pick in a loaded draft. 

Nash is not going to put this team over the top.  just not happening

Not a fan of that trade, if Bass and the pick weren't included I be ok with it.

[BballTim]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qd9v6c

Celts get Nash, Gortat
Suns get Rondo, Bradley, Bass and CLippers 1st round pick

Suns get a young all star and a first rounder
Celtics get two great players, and Gortat at a very reasonable price

  If Gortat were a great player then he wouldn't be available.

[Kane3387]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qd9v6c

Celts get Nash, Gortat
Suns get Rondo, Bradley, Bass and CLippers 1st round pick

Suns get a young all star and a first rounder
Celtics get two great players, and Gortat at a very reasonable price

Overpaying way too much!

[Mike-Dub]

I listened to Donny & Tanguay. He did say it would be multiple teams involved if the transaction happened. I took it to mean at least three. Don't discount Sacramento. Ainge has always liked Tyreke Evans. And they have some other pieces that could benefit us also.

That'd be a guy I'd trade Rondo for.

Wouldn't mind Steph Curry either.

[snively]

My theory is that Donny was not kidding that people would be surprised by the destination, and the C's are reviving 3-way talks with Houston and the Lakers, with the Lakers getting Rondo and Ray, Houston getting Gasol, and the C's getting Martin, Scola, and Dragic.



....and yes, I am kidding, I think Donny knows nothing.

I can see the Lakers being in the mix, but I can't see them giving up Gasol for Rondo and Ray.  Chris Paul is a difference making PG, Rondo isn't and Ray is a backup on that team.  Now I could see some tweaks making that trade possible (and I think all 3 teams probably do this).

Celtics get Martin, Lowry, Barnes
Rockets get Gasol, Allen
Lakers get Rondo, Scola

Takes away most of the Celtic's cap space next summer, but still gets a promising young PG and a heck of a scorer and relatively young SG.  Barnes expires this year, but would be a great backup SF behind Pierce this year.

I think that gives the Celtics a similar shot at a title this year, but definitely improves the team going forward.

If Lowry/Martin was really as good as Rondo/Ray, I think the Rockets would have won a lot more games last year.  They are slightly above-average starters.  Rondo's a top 5 PG and Ray's a solidly above-average starter.

We get worse in the present and Rondo + cap space/cheaper Ray is better in the future too.

Did Lowry/Martin have Pierce, Garnett, etc. playing next to them?  Did they play in the Eastern Conference?  Houston was 43-39 in the West and not just the West but the Southwest where Houston was the last place team.  Every other division in basketball had at least 2 teams finish below .500. 

Also, Lowry is also improving by the minute and has significantly improved every year in the league.

Lowry has improved from solid back-up guard to above-average starting guard.  He's the same age as Rondo, who improved from back-up guard on a terrible team to the top 5 pg he is today.   I don't see why you'd prefer Lowry.

Kevin Martin is one of the league's most efficient & prolific scorers, but also one of its worst defensive players and he does little to facilitate his teammates offense.  I'd actually like him as a Ray Allen replacement (his ability to draw fouls would be useful), but I would definitely not downgrade from Rondo to Lowry to make it happen.

[jdub1660]

2 ideas I'd "consider"

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=chazfma
Deron Williams and Anthony Morrow for Rondo,Bradley, and JO
Unlikely due to Nets thinking they have a team to build around, when realistically DW will end up walking to a super team...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tk696s
Jennings,CaptJack, and Illysova for Rondo and Bradley
Personal fav, mainly b/c BJ can score, Big3 window is closing/closed, and that this team could compete. Use the draft and pray for a big man...

[Moranis]

My theory is that Donny was not kidding that people would be surprised by the destination, and the C's are reviving 3-way talks with Houston and the Lakers, with the Lakers getting Rondo and Ray, Houston getting Gasol, and the C's getting Martin, Scola, and Dragic.



....and yes, I am kidding, I think Donny knows nothing.

I can see the Lakers being in the mix, but I can't see them giving up Gasol for Rondo and Ray.  Chris Paul is a difference making PG, Rondo isn't and Ray is a backup on that team.  Now I could see some tweaks making that trade possible (and I think all 3 teams probably do this).

Celtics get Martin, Lowry, Barnes
Rockets get Gasol, Allen
Lakers get Rondo, Scola

Takes away most of the Celtic's cap space next summer, but still gets a promising young PG and a heck of a scorer and relatively young SG.  Barnes expires this year, but would be a great backup SF behind Pierce this year.

I think that gives the Celtics a similar shot at a title this year, but definitely improves the team going forward.

If Lowry/Martin was really as good as Rondo/Ray, I think the Rockets would have won a lot more games last year.  They are slightly above-average starters.  Rondo's a top 5 PG and Ray's a solidly above-average starter.

We get worse in the present and Rondo + cap space/cheaper Ray is better in the future too.

Did Lowry/Martin have Pierce, Garnett, etc. playing next to them?  Did they play in the Eastern Conference?  Houston was 43-39 in the West and not just the West but the Southwest where Houston was the last place team.  Every other division in basketball had at least 2 teams finish below .500. 

Also, Lowry is also improving by the minute and has significantly improved every year in the league.

Lowry has improved from solid back-up guard to above-average starting guard.  He's the same age as Rondo, who improved from back-up guard on a terrible team to the top 5 pg he is today.   I don't see why you'd prefer Lowry.

Kevin Martin is one of the league's most efficient & prolific scorers, but also one of its worst defensive players and he does little to facilitate his teammates offense.  I'd actually like him as a Ray Allen replacement (his ability to draw fouls would be useful), but I would definitely not downgrade from Rondo to Lowry to make it happen.

Who said I would prefer Lowry to Rondo?  I believe the upgrade at SG is worth the downgrade at PG.  I also believe, Lowry's much better offensive efficiency would be of benefit to this team and the team going forward (Rondo's terrible offense isn't as harmful with the players around him, but when they start retiring it will be a huge detriment).  By adding Lowry and Martin the team is much better positioned going forward and won't be any less likely to win the title this year (still a mid-level title contender).

[heyvik]

My theory is that Donny was not kidding that people would be surprised by the destination, and the C's are reviving 3-way talks with Houston and the Lakers, with the Lakers getting Rondo and Ray, Houston getting Gasol, and the C's getting Martin, Scola, and Dragic.



....and yes, I am kidding, I think Donny knows nothing.

I can see the Lakers being in the mix, but I can't see them giving up Gasol for Rondo and Ray.  Chris Paul is a difference making PG, Rondo isn't and Ray is a backup on that team.  Now I could see some tweaks making that trade possible (and I think all 3 teams probably do this).

Celtics get Martin, Lowry, Barnes
Rockets get Gasol, Allen
Lakers get Rondo, Scola

Takes away most of the Celtic's cap space next summer, but still gets a promising young PG and a heck of a scorer and relatively young SG.  Barnes expires this year, but would be a great backup SF behind Pierce this year.

I think that gives the Celtics a similar shot at a title this year, but definitely improves the team going forward.

If Lowry/Martin was really as good as Rondo/Ray, I think the Rockets would have won a lot more games last year.  They are slightly above-average starters.  Rondo's a top 5 PG and Ray's a solidly above-average starter.

We get worse in the present and Rondo + cap space/cheaper Ray is better in the future too.

Did Lowry/Martin have Pierce, Garnett, etc. playing next to them?  Did they play in the Eastern Conference?  Houston was 43-39 in the West and not just the West but the Southwest where Houston was the last place team.  Every other division in basketball had at least 2 teams finish below .500. 

Also, Lowry is also improving by the minute and has significantly improved every year in the league.

Lowry has improved from solid back-up guard to above-average starting guard.  He's the same age as Rondo, who improved from back-up guard on a terrible team to the top 5 pg he is today.   I don't see why you'd prefer Lowry.

Kevin Martin is one of the league's most efficient & prolific scorers, but also one of its worst defensive players and he does little to facilitate his teammates offense.  I'd actually like him as a Ray Allen replacement (his ability to draw fouls would be useful), but I would definitely not downgrade from Rondo to Lowry to make it happen.

yeah but how many full seasons has Kevin Martin played. He's ALWAYS injured! He's more fragile than the Christmas gift being delivered by that FedEx guy!

[demiurg]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qd9v6c

Celts get Nash, Gortat
Suns get Rondo, Bradley, Bass and CLippers 1st round pick

Suns get a young all star and a first rounder
Celtics get two great players, and Gortat at a very reasonable price

  If Gortat were a great player then he wouldn't be available.

Well, he isn't available. Not as a throw in.

[dasani]

with some of these trade ideas, I am wondering why so many are in such a a hurry (or panic) that they are actually making the team worse with their trade ideas. I understand being upset that the cp3/west deal fell through but some of these ideas are...just wow.

[Potapenko Boxout]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qd9v6c

Celts get Nash, Gortat
Suns get Rondo, Bradley, Bass and CLippers 1st round pick

Suns get a young all star and a first rounder
Celtics get two great players, and Gortat at a very reasonable price

Overpaying way too much!

I'm sorry but I don't want to stand pat with a team with NO SHOT of winning the championship.

[BballTim]

Rondo, and maybe our first round pick to Oklahoma City for Westbrook, and Nazr Mohammed.

I think Oklahoma might eventually realize that a player that takes the ball outta Durant's hand instead of having a player that can get him the easiest shots possible is for the best for them.

Rondo has a pretty friendly contract for a pure PG that can move the ball like he does, Westbrook is probably gonna command a max deal after this year. The money that they save by acquiring Rondo as their PG they can use to focus on resigning Harden as their pure SG and getting some more bench depth.

I would do it as the Celtics, Westbrook is a decent PG with spreading the floor, but it also gives them the scoring on the perimeter that they need and they get the size they need with Nazr. I think for the future, players might want to come here to play with an up and coming elite scoring PG.

  Westbrook isn't a great perimeter shooter. He's a shoot first pg and I don't think I'd want to be the team that gives him a max contract.

[BballTim]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qd9v6c

Celts get Nash, Gortat
Suns get Rondo, Bradley, Bass and CLippers 1st round pick

Suns get a young all star and a first rounder
Celtics get two great players, and Gortat at a very reasonable price

Overpaying way too much!

I'm sorry but I don't want to stand pat with a team with NO SHOT of winning the championship.

  Which team is that, the Suns?

[Kane3387]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qd9v6c

Celts get Nash, Gortat
Suns get Rondo, Bradley, Bass and CLippers 1st round pick

Suns get a young all star and a first rounder
Celtics get two great players, and Gortat at a very reasonable price

Overpaying way too much!

I'm sorry but I don't want to stand pat with a team with NO SHOT of winning the championship.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. By the time Phoenix is willing to let Nash go we will know whether or not we are a legit contender as is with Rondo. I find a trade for Nash interesting but Phoenix has no leverage. He is unrestricted at the end of the year and likely headed elsewhere. If anything they should give us a protected pick for Rondo. He's younger and cheaper.

A deal like this makes more sense:

Robin Lopez, Michael Pietrus, and Steve Nash
for
Rondo, a 2nd round pick and Jermaine (and maybe a filler if were at 15 guys)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d2uj5s7

[Kane3387]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qd9v6c

Celts get Nash, Gortat
Suns get Rondo, Bradley, Bass and CLippers 1st round pick

Suns get a young all star and a first rounder
Celtics get two great players, and Gortat at a very reasonable price

Overpaying way too much!

I'm sorry but I don't want to stand pat with a team with NO SHOT of winning the championship.

  Which team is that, the Suns?

TP