Would you actively shop KG/Ray now? I personally wouldn't

[bfrombleacher]

Jeff Green's incident left Paul Pierce without a true, reliable backup. A few on here believe that we should break up the big 3 now.

I would, at this point, trade Rondo before touching the big 3 and I did not like the Chris Paul rumors (largely because I don't believe its worth throwing in so many assets for a rental who might be convinced into staying and might attract superstars).

Ray and KG would be valuable to teams already looking to contend, who will likely not give much in return as they would like to preserve their winning formula. We will also hurt our own chemistry.

The biggest thing, though, is the possibility of having them come back for dirt cheap. Having Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett coming off the bench and a lot of money to spare is very nice indeed as we step into rebuild mode in the coming few years.

That's not to say I'm not open to it. Say if Memphis has finally given up on OJ Mayo and would like to see how Ray would mesh, I would consider it. However, trading the big 3 at this point, in my opinion, is likely going to hurt more than help and there really isn't a point in stirring up rumors by putting them on the trading block.


Your thoughts?

[Roy H.]

I don't think it makes sense to trade KG or Ray because we're unlikely to get a good return for them.  We'd need to find a trading partner: 1) that's a contender; 2) has large expiring contracts to trade back; and 3) has young players with upside or draft picks.

Look at KG.  How many teams can absorb his $21 million contract, without sending us bad contracts in return?  From a sentimental fan point of view, I don't want to see KG or Ray traded regardless; I'd prefer to watch great players in their twilight over young guys who lose 65+ games per season.  However, even from a future-oriented point of view, it's unlikely that we can keep next year's cap clear while also adding assets by trading KG or Ray.

As for OJ Mayo, I don't understand the fascination at this point.  If he and Tony clashed, I can't imagine him with Rondo.

[BballTim]

  How many GMs break up contenders because they lose a backup small forward for the year?

[PosImpos]

as Roy outlined, neither KG or Ray is likely to get us commensurate return for trading them, and they are both on expiring deals, so there's no point in jettisoning them just for the sake of rebuilding, even if that's what Danny wanted to do.

[wdleehi]

Can we at least wait till Boston loses one regular season game before we start looking to shop the stars of this team? 


I understand trading for an available star (Paul).


I don't understand just selling the best players on this team. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I for one would like to see us keep Ray and KG, and Pierce for that matter, until they retire. It's all about managing contract lengths until that happens so when they leave we got cap space to work with.

Unless a great trade comes along, I like what we have, these people will always give us a fighting chance at a championship (unless they deteriorate too much), so it's about keep finding guys to surround them with, and find bridge players for when they're gone.

[pearljammer10]

As its been said we wouldn't get any value in return, especially for KG. I could see Allen being traded to a contender but only if the Celtics were to call it a season. There's no reason to blow up the team right now, we are in a good spot. We have a chance to be a contender this year, while having future financial flexibility after the season ends.

[Evantime34]

I think we're more likely to get fair value for them near the deadline because a team is more likely to know if they are one piece away from a title later in the season.

The problem with that is, approaching the trading deadline is exactly the worst time for the Celtics to move those two. If the Celtics are losing, chances are KG and Ray are injured or have regressed so there isn't much point in trading them. If they are playing well most likely win the Atlantic in which case there is no way you can trade either.

[Chris]

I think you always keep everyones names out there.  I just find it hard to imagine we could get anything close to enough value to offset what they bring to the team...and what they could continue to bring to the team on smaller contracts going forward. 

[Moranis]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

[mgent]

  How many GMs break up contenders because they lose a backup small forward for the year?

My guess is it was unprecedented for 65 years until Danny.

[Chris]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

The problem is, I don't think the majority of those deals would be accepted by the other teams.  And the ones that would (the Magic one, the Blazers one), I would want no part of.

[mgent]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

The problem is, I don't think the majority of those deals would be accepted by the other teams.  And the ones that would (the Magic one, the Blazers one), I would want no part of.

You're saying the Bulls wouldn't trade 3 average bench players and a 1st for an expiring Ray Allen?

Take the best record last year, swap Bogans for a top 5 SG, and give them Rip as a 6th man.  I understand why ANY team wouldn't want to trade a 1st for a 36 year old, but from a win-now perspective (without losing any of their future pieces) it's a must-do.

[Chris]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

The problem is, I don't think the majority of those deals would be accepted by the other teams.  And the ones that would (the Magic one, the Blazers one), I would want no part of.

You're saying the Bulls wouldn't trade 3 average bench players and a 1st for an expiring Ray Allen?

Take the best record last year, swap Bogans for a top 5 SG, and give them Rip as a 6th man.  I understand why ANY team wouldn't want to trade a 1st for a 36 year old, but from a win-now perspective (without losing any of their future pieces) it's a must-do.

First of all, they already cut Bogans.  And yes, they absolutely would not trade Asik (who they love) and a first rounder for Ray.  Perhaps before they got Rip they would consider it, but not now. 

[wdleehi]

Yes.  I'd move them in a heartbeat right now if the it meant the Celtics could get some young players and/or draft picks this summer.  The Celtics aren't going to win the title this year and they are never going to have the value from KG and Ray that they have right now.  Move them both now and start rebuilding.  Trade Rondo and O'Neal as well.  I'd even move Pierce, but would prefer to keep him around.

Some possible trades that might work for each team (not a full list)

Allen
to Bulls - Korver, Asik, Bogans, 2012 first (better of picks as Bulls might have two)
to Warriors - Ellis
to Blazers - Matthews, Barron, Johnson
to Magic - Redick & Richardson

Garnett
to Warriors - Lee & Biedrins
to Blazers - Camby & Oden
to Hawks - Smith & Hinrich (Williams if Hawks insist)
to Sixers - Brand & Turner
to Rockets - Scola, Dragic, Flynn

There is nothing there I would do.  The best talent are at or near 30.  All have bad contracts coming back.