The Truth About The Celtic Roster And Changes That Must Be Made

[OttawaCeltic]

So... the current line up (without Green) is:

PG Rondo/Dooling
SG Allen/Bradley/Moore
SF Pierce/Quis/Pavlovic
PF Garnett/Bass/Johnson
C Jermaine/Wilcox/Stinksma
 
My Opinion:

1. The Bigs look great except Stinksma(he is on contract, look at the Offical Website). We should move Stinksma to the Maine Red Claws and grab Chris Johnson (remember that skinny D-Leaguer that met to great minutes) or Sweetney (A definite veteran who wouldn't be angry for minimal minutes).
2. Without Green at the SF spot, Quis looks to be more depended on but I believe that he and Sasha(If Quis gets out) can back up Pierce certainly and effectively.
3. The guard spots look terrible. Period. A sophmore and a 2nd drafted rookie backing up Ray A? Come on! I know Moore looks like a younger Marcus Thorton and Avery got better in the lockout, but there is no one that can be depended on scoring over there! We should try to get a back up scorer for once. Is that too much too ask?!?
 
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Now I've heard many opinions from others. Some say that Nate is off the books of OKC. He can relate to our offensive punch our Guard spots lack of. Also the old, busted Allen Iverson is looking to play for a contender. Eventhough we already have Dooling to gobble up minutes, I beleive that A.I should check in for Avery Bradley spot. (No matter how much we all love his defense, Avery absolutely is horrible on all other aspects. Period.) Plus, we'l only sign A.I for a 1 year, vet.minimum (so what is there to lose[a.k.a. deja vu of Marbury]) and Bradley can be dealt to NO for one (or both) of those 2nd round picks they've got from the CP3 deal. Then Sign Nate to a vet.minimum for a year or two.

So if we follow my opinion, this is the final line-up:

PG Rondo/Dooling/Nate
SG Allen/Iverson/Moore
SF Pierce/Quis/Pavlovic
PF Garnett/Bass/Johnson
C Jermaine/Wilcox/Sweetney

I think thats a way better caliber team than our current one. Plus after the season, we'll just release Sweetney/Iverson (whoever doesn't meet expectations) What are your opinions about my theory?(And Remember to compare from now to my roster)

[perks-a-beast]

I think you're right, the 1 and 2 position lack depth and scoring. I would definantly give A.I. a shot. If it doesn't work out then oh well, just cut him. Low risk, high reward type move. If it does work out then he gives the Celts definate offensive fire power at the 1 and 2 position.

A.I. claims that his only basketball goal left is to win a title and if he's properly motivated then he'd be a tremendous fit.

I'd also like for the Celtics to get a a big bully in the paint who can just take up space, a guy like Pryzbilla would be ideal. Steimsa seems okay but clearly lacks experience and the celtics need a guy they can stick in there in the play offs to bully BronBron and DWade around a bit.

Rondo/ Dooling/ Bradley
Allen/ Iverson/ Moore
Pierce/ Daniels/ Pavlovic
Garnett/ Bass/ JJJ
O'Neal/ Pryzbilla/ Wilcox

I like that teams chances against anyone.

[Surferdad]

Disagree on a number of levels:

First of all, your post title says "The Truth", but the post is all opinion as you stated.  That's a contradiction.

Most importantly, it was hard to take your post seriously once you said the "Guard spots look terrible. Period" which obviously includes Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen.  That's just wrong.  This was the starting backcourt of the 2008 NBA Champions and arguably still the best backcourt in the NBA.

Allen Iverson is not right for this team.  Too selfish.

Nate --- been there done that.  He sucked.

Then calling the kid "stinksma" is not fair.

Finally, your moves do nothing to improve the front court which is where help is needed the most.
  
I'd like to say nice try, but I can't.

[perks-a-beast]

Allen Iverson is not right for this team.  too selfish.

I really wouldn't see Allen Iversons selfishness being a issue on this team. This is a core group of players who are accustomed to playing around selfish players :Cough:Nate:Cough:Glen:Cough.

AI has acted egocentric in the past, no question, but that will be left in the past. Having to play in Turkey humbled Allen and i wouldn't be surprised if he's ready to take the 6th man role. He says he is. Actions speak louder than words so he'll have to prove it.

Bottom line is that scoring droughts killed the Celtics last season, it was painful to watch. When Ray and Rondo are riding the pine do you really expect Dooling/Bradley/Moore to fill up the cup? This team needs more backcourt scoring and if you know of a better option than AI for the vets minimum please let me know.

[OttawaCeltic]

Disagree on a number of levels:

First of all, your post title says "The Truth", but the post is all opinion as you stated.  That's a contradiction.

Most importantly, it was hard to take your post seriously once you said the "Guard spots look terrible. Period" which obviously includes Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen.  That's just wrong.  This was the starting backcourt of the 2008 NBA Champions and arguably still the best backcourt in the NBA.

Allen Iverson is not right for this team.  Too selfish.

Nate --- been there done that.  He sucked.

Then calling the kid "stinksma" is not fair.

Finally, your moves do nothing to improve the front court which is where help is needed the most.
  
I'd like to say nice try, but I can't.

1. Iverson: We're desperate here! And what other guards are there, I don't want Bradley to be relied on at times...plus look at some games of A.I. from 2010. He actually passed the ball and apparently, he got more humble in Turkey.
2. Nate: He didn't suck that much. He was decent for a 3rd string(after Delonte for the PG spot) Plus, he was EXCELLENT as a starter when Rondo+Delonte were out[statistically, of course]
3. Stinksma: I actually don't even know his real, full name. Plus the name tunes with a ring . No offense to him,[he'll whoop me 100-0 in 1-on-1], but he really is someone that REALLY shouldn't be on the team. Proof: His contribution in the scrimmage game.Though ,in the first preseason game, he looked way better than Triple J!

[OttawaCeltic]

Allen Iverson is not right for this team.  too selfish.

I really wouldn't see Allen Iversons selfishness being a issue on this team. This is a core group of players who are accustomed to playing around selfish players :Cough:Nate:Cough:Glen:Cough.

AI has acted egocentric in the past, no question, but that will be left in the past. Having to play in Turkey humbled Allen and i wouldn't be surprised if he's ready to take the 6th man role. He says he is. Actions speak louder than words so he'll have to prove it.

Bottom line is that scoring droughts killed the Celtics last season, it was painful to watch. When Ray and Rondo are riding the pine do you really expect Dooling/Bradley/Moore to fill up the cup? This team needs more backcourt scoring and if you know of a better option than AI for the vets minimum please let me know.

Good reply

[Lucky17]

Isn't Marquis going to see minutes at the 2? I'd consider him Ray's backup at SG.

I don't expect much out of Bradley or Moore, other than sucking up available minutes in garbage time.

Stiemsma (and Sweetney) only make the roster if another low-cost veteran doesn't join the team for min money. Personally, I would welcome the addition of a lunch-pail guy like Przybilla or Gadzuric.

Bottom line: I expect the roster to look different come April. How different depends on Ainge's belief in competing for another banner. I would not be surprised to see JO, Bradley, Moore, Pavlovic, and/or Johnson all dealt for perceived upgrades.

[LarryForThree]

Switching Stinksma, as you refer to him, with Sweetney and adding Nate will according to you make this team "way better."

Don't see it at all. Switching a 14th, 15th big man with another. If either of them even find the court and play minutes this Celtics team is severely in trouble. So this move is so low that it can't add any significance.

Even adding Nate won't make this team "way better" He's already been in this system and didn't make as a big of an impact as some people thought last year. Neither did the C's (i.e. They traded him).

Nate and Iverson are flashy but are "team players" and wouldn't fit in well here. Nate would do well chucking up threes on some lottery team this year that doesn't have much of a chance to start the season.

One more preseason game. The C's chose Dooling as backup PG. There's not a lot of time to switch now. They made their choice now stick with it.

The C's are also not going to sign 80% of the players people keep mentioning the C's should pick up because of money reasons.

[OttawaCeltic]

I think you're right, the 1 and 2 position lack depth and scoring. I would definantly give A.I. a shot. If it doesn't work out then oh well, just cut him. Low risk, high reward type move. If it does work out then he gives the Celts definate offensive fire power at the 1 and 2 position.

A.I. claims that his only basketball goal left is to win a title and if he's properly motivated then he'd be a tremendous fit.

I'd also like for the Celtics to get a a big bully in the paint who can just take up space, a guy like Pryzbilla would be ideal. Steimsa seems okay but clearly lacks experience and the celtics need a guy they can stick in there in the play offs to bully BronBron and DWade around a bit.

Rondo/ Dooling/ Bradley
Allen/ Iverson/ Moore
Pierce/ Daniels/ Pavlovic
Garnett/ Bass/ JJJ
O'Neal/ Pryzbilla/ Wilcox

I like that teams chances against anyone.

Pryzibilla would be way better than Sweetney. Plus, he's worth more of his limited minutes (and I found out he's better than Garnett at grabbing boards) Only problems are:
1.How much does he cost?
2.Is he really better than Wilcox at the second Center spot?

[OttawaCeltic]

Switching Stinksma, as you refer to him, with Sweetney and adding Nate will according to you make this team "way better."

Don't see it at all. Switching a 14th, 15th big man with another. If either of them even find the court and play minutes this Celtics team is severely in trouble. So this move is so low that it can't add any significance.

Even adding Nate won't make this team "way better" He's already been in this system and didn't make as a big of an impact as some people thought last year. Neither did the C's (i.e. They traded him).

Nate and Iverson are flashy but are "team players" and wouldn't fit in well here. Nate would do well chucking up threes on some lottery team this year that doesn't have much of a chance to start the season.

One more preseason game. The C's chose Dooling as backup PG. There's not a lot of time to switch now. They made their choice now stick with it.

The C's are also not going to sign 80% of the players people keep mentioning the C's should pick up because of money reasons.

Ugh, Did you not see how much our offense dropped after Nate was traded? Did you not see how much offense we needed from our bench from 'offense droughts'? Did you not see that some 3rd strings (Nenad/Turkish Delight or Nate) had to start in games which others were infected by injuries? Did you not notice that all these 'trading posts' are all opinions and are perspectives, in other words, will not happen in reality (unless we do a petition or something like that... )?

[OttawaCeltic]

Isn't Marquis going to see minutes at the 2? I'd consider him Ray's backup at SG.

I don't expect much out of Bradley or Moore, other than sucking up available minutes in garbage time.

Stiemsma (and Sweetney) only make the roster if another low-cost veteran doesn't join the team for min money. Personally, I would welcome the addition of a lunch-pail guy like Przybilla or Gadzuric.

Bottom line: I expect the roster to look different come April. How different depends on Ainge's belief in competing for another banner. I would not be surprised to see JO, Bradley, Moore, Pavlovic, and/or Johnson all dealt for perceived upgrades.

I only put the players in their 'main position-backing spots.' Also, as I replied to another, we saw some 3rd strings being relied on last season. And I'm trying to look at the current estate we are in, not April. God knows what will do after our postseason(Lets Go Banner 18!!!!).

[HUD4]

Ok, the "bring back Nate" needs to end..he went out on a sour note and I doubt we bring him back. We signed Dooling for a reason, he's not a spectacle and he's a solid back-up veteran PG. Secondly, I doubt Sweetney makes the roster, I'm sorry but someone who is what? 6'9 400lbs just doesn't cut it. And we need someone to replace Green and a big. I think that Pryz would be a nice option but he needs to make the decision sooner than "after the holidays". I also think they need to look at YOUNG guys to replace Green, Chris Douglas-Roberts would be an awesome pickup or Dominic McGuire, even Julian Wright. I'm really surprised we haven't heard AK47's name mentioned, he'd be nice

[RyNye]

The problem with Allen Iverson is he does NOT fit what we need. He certainly has his talents, but bottom line is that he is a VOLUME scorer, not an EFFICIENT scorer. The former is fine for a starter (not ideal, but fine ... got to the Finals that way). But  universally speaking, a 6th man/bench scorer needs to be EFFICIENT to be good. Iverson is only good if you give him a lot of touches, and a lot of minutes, which is not what he will get here.

[kozlodoev]

1. The Bigs look great except Stinksma(he is on contract, look at the Offical Website).

I'm sure 3 minutes in a preseason game are a great evaluation tool. Also, team routinely lock up players on short money contracts through preseason, as they have until the first regular-season game (or a deadline thereabout) to trim to 15. The Celtics have done that just about every season.

We should move Stinksma to the Maine Red Claws and grab Chris Johnson (remember that skinny D-Leaguer that met to great minutes) or Sweetney (A definite veteran who wouldn't be angry for minimal minutes).

NBA roster rules don't work this way. Also, I'm afraid that keeping Sweetney on the pine for prolonged period of times is a serious injury hazard. I'm having nightmares of someone breaking a leg when the bench inevitably splinters from the weight.

I think thats a way better caliber team than our current one.

Maybe there is. But it's certainly not the one presented in this post.

[Yogi]

   Our roster is close to complete.  There is only one thing missing, a defensive wing who can guard Lebron in transition.  That was Jeff Green who is absolutely perfect for the job with his length, speed and hops, but we have to settle for Pavlovic who can't compare to Lebron in any of those categories.  The only move left is to get someone like Jeff Green instead of Gil Brown who is too small.  Al Thornton is the only guy I can find that is still available.  If we can get him for the vet min. or injured player exception then we are complete.  

Andrei Kirelenko and Mikeal Pietrus are also possible.