Jeff Green to have surgery : out for the season

[Cman]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Has to rank right up there.

People can say what they want about hindsight being 20/20, but just about everything Danny has done over the last 10 months has been horrendous.

Interesting. I'd rank Danny up there among the best gms, in part because of what he has done or tried to do over the last 10 months.

[GrandTheftRondo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

you can insist all you want to, but it wasn't the center postion that cost us the heat series last year, it was lack of defenders at the 2-3 spots. That's why Ainge traded for Green, and honestly, Green failed at that job last season. Wade and Lebron killed us, and so did our bench, not the starting center spot. That's why getting Daniels back this year is huge imo.

We can agree here, like I said Jeff Green was a complete non factor last season as was bench. Those were both contributing factors in our loss.

But the fact is Ainge traded Perk and Nate for Green and Krstic (both non factors). I would have rather had Nate and Perk. It wasn't worth it, to me.

[hpantazo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

you can insist all you want to, but it wasn't the center postion that cost us the heat series last year, it was lack of defenders at the 2-3 spots. That's why Ainge traded for Green, and honestly, Green failed at that job last season. Wade and Lebron killed us, and so did our bench, not the starting center spot. That's why getting Daniels back this year is huge imo.

We can agree here, like I said Jeff Green was a complete non factor last season as was bench. Those were both contributing factors in our loss.

But the fact is Ainge traded Perk and Nate for Green and Krstic (both non factors). I would have rather had Nate and Perk. It wasn't worth it, to me.

Fair enough, I can understand this view. Green was a total non-factor last year, he failed at what he was brought in to do.

[hpantazo]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Has to rank right up there.

People can say what they want about hindsight being 20/20, but just about everything Danny has done over the last 10 months has been horrendous.

Interesting. I'd rank Danny up there among the best gms, in part because of what he has done or tried to do over the last 10 months.

So do I. Ainge has done an excellent job the last 10 months or so

[PosImpos]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Has to rank right up there.

People can say what they want about hindsight being 20/20, but just about everything Danny has done over the last 10 months has been horrendous.

Interesting. I'd rank Danny up there among the best gms, in part because of what he has done or tried to do over the last 10 months.

I totally agree. At least he's been trying.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Has to rank right up there.

People can say what they want about hindsight being 20/20, but just about everything Danny has done over the last 10 months has been horrendous.

Interesting. I'd rank Danny up there among the best gms, in part because of what he has done or tried to do over the last 10 months.

Trying is commendable but he wouldn't have to try so hard to fix his mistake if he hadn't made such a huge one in the first place.

I just do not trust his decision making right now. I feel like he's going to make another stupid knee jerk trade soon. I am honestly terrified of what this team will look like in the coming days.

[birdbrady]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

you can insist all you want to, but it wasn't the center postion that cost us the heat series last year, it was lack of defenders at the 2-3 spots. That's why Ainge traded for Green, and honestly, Green failed at that job last season. Wade and Lebron killed us, and so did our bench, not the starting center spot. That's why getting Daniels back this year is huge imo.

no, teh team got absolutely wrecked by Joel Anthony in Games 1-4 last year.  Don't think Perkins would've changed that?

Yes, Wade and Lebron "killed us."  Wanna know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE GREAT PLAYERS.  Joel Anthony is not a great player.  And Joel Anthony doing the damage he did on us, the first four games of the series was an absolute difference maker.

Oh, and you are also conveniently leaving out the fact that the chemistry on this team imploded almost immediately after the trade.  Important tidbit there too.

The year we won, Lebron and Kobe never killed us, we made them look bad, because we had great defenders like Posey and Tony Allen. That's what cost us the most the last 2 years, not the center spot. Joel Anthony? I guess you didn't watch the games much.

You're right. I don't watch teh games.  I only have season tickets, and own about 1,000 Celtics games on DVD, and have probably been a fan longer than you've been alive.

I don't like wasting my time.  But I will here.  I'll educate you a litle bit.  That "year we  won"  uhhhh, I seem to remember, you know, since I was at the game - Lebron nearly scoring 50 in a deciding Game 7.  Did he struggle with his shooting at times? Yes, but not in Game 7.  And certainly not in Game 4 when he threw a dunk down on the whole team.  Oh, and also, Mr. Watch All the Games.  Tony Allen was at the bottom of the bench in 2008.  Did he help us defensively in 2010? Big time. Not 2008.  Btw, we had Tony Allen and we let him go for nothing.  So our response is to trade a far more important piece for a guy to replace Tony Allen?? Great!

Oh, and also Mr. Watch the Games.  How did we lose Game 4 to Miami? You know, the game that changed the complexition of the series? The game, that, had we won - that series likely would've gone to a deciding Game 7? ON AN OFFENSIVE REBOUND!!! hey!

[vinnie]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Pretty close.

First and foremost, best wishes to Jeff for a healthy recovery. I I were him, I am not sure I would ever come back to basketball, but medical technology today is amazing, so who knows. I would love to get more explanation on this medical condition. It is something that just happened or is it something that has been missed in previous physicals?

And thank God Danny told us all on Monday that Green's medical condition was not a major concern. That statement in itself is disgraceful and just one more incidence of Ainge either lying about something or making a statement before he knew the facts.

As for this year's team, without Green to back up Pierce, it moves everyone up the bench a slot, which means the always-soon-to-be-injured Daniels becomes Pierce's backup. In terms of the season, all it likely means to me is a potential first round and out rather than a second round.

As for Danny and the last 10 months, I am not sure what he has done that has posters here heaping praise on him. Would love someone to tell me all of the great moves he has made. And I don't want to hear about unproven rookies or a 7-1 guy who has played most of his career in the NBDL or in Europe.

[hpantazo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

you can insist all you want to, but it wasn't the center postion that cost us the heat series last year, it was lack of defenders at the 2-3 spots. That's why Ainge traded for Green, and honestly, Green failed at that job last season. Wade and Lebron killed us, and so did our bench, not the starting center spot. That's why getting Daniels back this year is huge imo.

no, teh team got absolutely wrecked by Joel Anthony in Games 1-4 last year.  Don't think Perkins would've changed that?

Yes, Wade and Lebron "killed us."  Wanna know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE GREAT PLAYERS.  Joel Anthony is not a great player.  And Joel Anthony doing the damage he did on us, the first four games of the series was an absolute difference maker.

Oh, and you are also conveniently leaving out the fact that the chemistry on this team imploded almost immediately after the trade.  Important tidbit there too.

The year we won, Lebron and Kobe never killed us, we made them look bad, because we had great defenders like Posey and Tony Allen. That's what cost us the most the last 2 years, not the center spot. Joel Anthony? I guess you didn't watch the games much.

You're right. I don't watch teh games.  I only have season tickets, and own about 1,000 Celtics games on DVD, and have probably been a fan longer than you've been alive.

I don't like wasting my time.  But I will here.  I'll educate you a litle bit.  That "year we  won"  uhhhh, I seem to remember, you know, since I was at the game - Lebron nearly scoring 50 in a deciding Game 7.  Did he struggle with his shooting at times? Yes, but not in Game 7.  And certainly not in Game 4 when he threw a dunk down on the whole team.  Oh, and also, Mr. Watch All the Games.  Tony Allen was at the bottom of the bench in 2008.  Did he help us defensively in 2010? Big time. Not 2008.  Btw, we had Tony Allen and we let him go for nothing.  So our response is to trade a far more important piece for a guy to replace Tony Allen?? Great!

Oh, and also Mr. Watch the Games.  How did we lose Game 4 to Miami? You know, the game that changed the complexition of the series? The game, that, had we won - that series likely would've gone to a deciding Game 7? ON AN OFFENSIVE REBOUND!!! hey!

Looks like someone got a bit ticked off. Don't take things personally man, I just have a different opinion that you do, and it's not changing at all based on anything you've said, but that's ok.

[KGs Knee]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Has to rank right up there.

People can say what they want about hindsight being 20/20, but just about everything Danny has done over the last 10 months has been horrendous.

Interesting. I'd rank Danny up there among the best gms, in part because of what he has done or tried to do over the last 10 months.

So do I. Ainge has done an excellent job the last 10 months or so

Well, I guess what they say is true.  One man's garbage is another man's gold.

Sorry, I see garbage.  WM picks up on Wednesdays here, you guys still got time to come sort through mine if you want.

Point blank, Ainge has blown it.  I just don't see how anyone could see it differently.

[hpantazo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

you can insist all you want to, but it wasn't the center postion that cost us the heat series last year, it was lack of defenders at the 2-3 spots. That's why Ainge traded for Green, and honestly, Green failed at that job last season. Wade and Lebron killed us, and so did our bench, not the starting center spot. That's why getting Daniels back this year is huge imo.

no, teh team got absolutely wrecked by Joel Anthony in Games 1-4 last year.  Don't think Perkins would've changed that?

Yes, Wade and Lebron "killed us."  Wanna know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE GREAT PLAYERS.  Joel Anthony is not a great player.  And Joel Anthony doing the damage he did on us, the first four games of the series was an absolute difference maker.

Oh, and you are also conveniently leaving out the fact that the chemistry on this team imploded almost immediately after the trade.  Important tidbit there too.

The year we won, Lebron and Kobe never killed us, we made them look bad, because we had great defenders like Posey and Tony Allen. That's what cost us the most the last 2 years, not the center spot. Joel Anthony? I guess you didn't watch the games much.

You're right. I don't watch teh games.  I only have season tickets, and own about 1,000 Celtics games on DVD, and have probably been a fan longer than you've been alive.

I don't like wasting my time.  But I will here.  I'll educate you a litle bit.  That "year we  won"  uhhhh, I seem to remember, you know, since I was at the game - Lebron nearly scoring 50 in a deciding Game 7.  Did he struggle with his shooting at times? Yes, but not in Game 7.  And certainly not in Game 4 when he threw a dunk down on the whole team.  Oh, and also, Mr. Watch All the Games.  Tony Allen was at the bottom of the bench in 2008.  Did he help us defensively in 2010? Big time. Not 2008.  Btw, we had Tony Allen and we let him go for nothing.  So our response is to trade a far more important piece for a guy to replace Tony Allen?? Great!

Oh, and also Mr. Watch the Games.  How did we lose Game 4 to Miami? You know, the game that changed the complexition of the series? The game, that, had we won - that series likely would've gone to a deciding Game 7? ON AN OFFENSIVE REBOUND!!! hey!

Looks like someone got a bit ticked off. Don't take things personally man, I just have a different opinion that you do, and it's not changing at all based on anything you've said, but that's ok.

Translation: The back and forth posts we just had made me look like a complete fool so now I'm going to play Dr. Phil on a message board.

Yea, thanks for being understanding. There are forum rules here about insulting people personally. Just trying to give you a heads up.

[TripleOT]

So do I. Ainge has done an excellent job the last 10 months or so

I think he's done a lousy job the past 10 months.  Besides the Perk trade, he moved the Marshon Brooks pick to the Nets to pick JuJaun Johnson, although the Cs could have really used an athletic, scoring wing to back up Ray Allen. (I see Brooks as a future 20 ppg scorer in the league.

Then he spent this FA signing period inking 9th man types like Dooling, Daniels, Wilcox and Pavlovic.  The Bass trade was an OK move, but not much more of a roster upgrade from BBD.
  

[hardlyyardley]

Danny didn't lie....he said it was all about what perspective you put on it.....meaning life vs basketball.....from the life perspective it was fortunate it was detected and can be corrected with surgery

[KG_ended_Bias]

Can we just talk YAO MING out of retirement already tell him we don't care if you may break your foot again. Just try it for us at Guaranteed money.....
And Marshon Brooks is looking really nice right now wish we still had him!

[GrandTheftRondo]

Danny didn't lie....he said it was all about what perspective you put on it.....meaning life vs basketball.....from the life perspective it was fortunate it was detected and can be corrected with surgery

Danny is always lying. The lies regarding Shaq's return last season during the playoffs were something else. Everyday it was a new lie. Just like the lies about KG's knee prior.