C's pick could be higher than the Clippers pick in 2012

[JSD]

Guys! This is NOT just a LAC pick:
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 In 2012, the Celtics would receive the lesser of the Clippers first-round pick or the T'Wolves' first-round pick (Marko Jaric trade)
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As long as it is outside the top 11.


Which pick is more likely to be outside the top 11? 

Plus, my guess is that the potential of that pick going to Boston was eliminated in their trade.

Since LA essentially got to choose which pick we got -- it was always the worse of the two -- they should be able to say "Never mind.  If that Twolves pick is actually worse than our original pick, we'll eat it".  The protection was in there for the Clippers benefit, not ours, so I'm sure it was struck out.

Im sure too.

At what point is this Clipper pick unprotected? It might make sense for the Celtics to wait 5-7 years at this point...

[Evantime34]

Even if the Clippers pick is in the late teens or early twenties there will still be a lot of good players left. Here is a list from draftexpress of their mock draft from 10- to the end of the first. Likely both our picks will between 10-20 which will net us two extremely good prospects. Even after 20 Lamb, and Lima jump out at me. This draft is absolutely stacked.

10 Bradley Beal  SG
18 years old; 6'4"; 177 lbs.
Florida, Freshman

11 Jeremy Lamb  SG
19 years old; 6'5"; 185 lbs.
Connecticut, Sophomore

12 Terrence Ross  SF
20 years old; 6'6"; 180 lbs.
Washington, Sophomore

13 Michael Gilchrist  SF
18 years old; 6'7"; 205 lbs.
Kentucky, Freshman

14 Tyler Zeller  PF/C
21 years old; 6'11"; 220 lbs.
North Carolina, Junior

15 Patric Young  C
19 years old; 6'9"; 220 lbs.
Florida, Sophomore

16 Kendall Marshall  PG
20 years old; 6'3"; 170 lbs.
North Carolina, Sophomore

17 Austin Rivers  SG
19 years old; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
Duke, Freshman

18 Mason Plumlee  PF
21 years old; 6'11"; 210 lbs.
Duke, Junior

19 Festus Ezeli  C
22 years old; 6'11"; 255 lbs.
Vanderbilt, Senior

20 Jeff Taylor  SF
22 years old; 6'6"; 200 lbs.
Vanderbilt, Senior

21 Evan Fournier  SG/SF
19 years old; 6'6"; 200 lbs.
Poitiers, International

22 LeBryan Nash  SF/PF
19 years old; 6'7"; 220 lbs.
Oklahoma State, Freshman

23 Tomas Satoransky  SG
20 years old; 6'6"; 190 lbs.
Sevilla, International

24 C.J. Leslie  SF/PF
20 years old; 6'8"; 205 lbs.
N.C. State, Sophomore

25 Khris Middleton  SF
20 years old; 6'7"; 215 lbs.
Texas A&M, Junior

26 Darius Johnson-Odom  SG
22 years old; 6'2"; 215 lbs.
Marquette, Senior

27 Doron Lamb  SG
20 years old; 6'4"; 170 lbs.
Kentucky, Sophomore

28 John Jenkins  SG
20 years old; 6'4"; 215 lbs.
Vanderbilt, Junior

29 Furkan Aldemir  PF
20 years old; 6'9"; 220 lbs.
Galatasaray, International

30 Augusto Cesar Lima  PF
20 years old; 6'10"; 235 lbs.
Granada, International

[slamtheking]

I think you underrate the west. The Clippers will probably just miss the play-offs. They're an 8th seed at best... I hope  

Hornets made the playoffs last year with a worse starting SF and PF, and arguably a worse starting SG, too.  Plus, it's not like Okafor is that much better than Deandre Jordan.  

Keep in mind also that Chris Paul was working his way back from an injury last year, so he wasn't performing at his top level throughout the regular season.  It's possible that he might not get back to that level, but if he does, he could propel the Clippers even further than we might imagine.


In any case, the Clippers' roster should be good for the equivalent of 50-55 wins.


I expect the equivalent of around 50 wins from the Celtics, perhaps a bit less if they deal with injuries for a significant stretch.

50 wins for the C's?  that's a record of 50-16 this year.  I don't see that happening even under the best of circumstances. 

Pencil them in for a 42-24 record. I see them coasting for part of the season but putting in just enough effort to get home court for at least the first round. 

As for the Clips pick, in a draft this deep, having 2 picks in the first round in the mid-teens to early 20's wouldn't suck.  Ainge has always done his best work in the draft.

[Kane3387]

I seriously doubt both these picks are between 10-20.

[droopdog7]

Guys! This is NOT just a LAC pick:
---
 In 2012, the Celtics would receive the lesser of the Clippers first-round pick or the T'Wolves' first-round pick (Marko Jaric trade)
---
 

As long as it is outside the top 11.


Which pick is more likely to be outside the top 11? 

Plus, my guess is that the potential of that pick going to Boston was eliminated in their trade.

Since LA essentially got to choose which pick we got -- it was always the worse of the two -- they should be able to say "Never mind.  If that Twolves pick is actually worse than our original pick, we'll eat it".  The protection was in there for the Clippers benefit, not ours, so I'm sure it was struck out.

Im sure too.

At what point is this Clipper pick unprotected? It might make sense for the Celtics to wait 5-7 years at this point...

It is not the Celts choice.  Basically, anytime the pick fall outside the top 10, it goes to the Celts.  No option to refuse it form our end.

[PosImpos]

I think you underrate the west. The Clippers will probably just miss the play-offs. They're an 8th seed at best... I hope 

Hornets made the playoffs last year with a worse starting SF and PF, and arguably a worse starting SG, too.  Plus, it's not like Okafor is that much better than Deandre Jordan. 

Keep in mind also that Chris Paul was working his way back from an injury last year, so he wasn't performing at his top level throughout the regular season.  It's possible that he might not get back to that level, but if he does, he could propel the Clippers even further than we might imagine.


In any case, the Clippers' roster should be good for the equivalent of 50-55 wins.


I expect the equivalent of around 50 wins from the Celtics, perhaps a bit less if they deal with injuries for a significant stretch.

50 wins for the C's?  that's a record of 50-16 this year.  I don't see that happening even under the best of circumstances. 

Pencil them in for a 42-24 record. I see them coasting for part of the season but putting in just enough effort to get home court for at least the first round. 

As for the Clips pick, in a draft this deep, having 2 picks in the first round in the mid-teens to early 20's wouldn't suck.  Ainge has always done his best work in the draft.

note my use of the word "equivalent."

[JSD]

Guys! This is NOT just a LAC pick:
---
 In 2012, the Celtics would receive the lesser of the Clippers first-round pick or the T'Wolves' first-round pick (Marko Jaric trade)
---
 

As long as it is outside the top 11.


Which pick is more likely to be outside the top 11? 

Plus, my guess is that the potential of that pick going to Boston was eliminated in their trade.

Since LA essentially got to choose which pick we got -- it was always the worse of the two -- they should be able to say "Never mind.  If that Twolves pick is actually worse than our original pick, we'll eat it".  The protection was in there for the Clippers benefit, not ours, so I'm sure it was struck out.

Im sure too.

At what point is this Clipper pick unprotected? It might make sense for the Celtics to wait 5-7 years at this point...

It is not the Celts choice.  Basically, anytime the pick fall outside the top 10, it goes to the Celts.  No option to refuse it form our end.

That's not how I understood the pick back when the trade went down. Do you have a link or can someone else verify?

[Roy H.]

Guys! This is NOT just a LAC pick:
---
 In 2012, the Celtics would receive the lesser of the Clippers first-round pick or the T'Wolves' first-round pick (Marko Jaric trade)
---
 

As long as it is outside the top 11.


Which pick is more likely to be outside the top 11? 

Plus, my guess is that the potential of that pick going to Boston was eliminated in their trade.

Since LA essentially got to choose which pick we got -- it was always the worse of the two -- they should be able to say "Never mind.  If that Twolves pick is actually worse than our original pick, we'll eat it".  The protection was in there for the Clippers benefit, not ours, so I'm sure it was struck out.

Im sure too.

At what point is this Clipper pick unprotected? It might make sense for the Celtics to wait 5-7 years at this point...

It is not the Celts choice.  Basically, anytime the pick fall outside the top 10, it goes to the Celts.  No option to refuse it form our end.

That's not how I understood the pick back when the trade went down. Do you have a link or can someone else verify?

As far as I know, droopdog is correct; I haven't heard anything about a rollover option.  The only caveats I've seen regarding the pick are that it's top-10 protected (until something like 2016), and the Clips could have sent us the Twolves pick if both picks fell outside the top 10.

[ctrey]

Both picks will be from 15 to 23 and the Celtics pick will be the higher pick. The Clippers will have a better record than the Celtics.

Now that Jeff Green has turned into Reggie Lewis, we are looking at between 38 to 42 wins. Additionally, one of the big three will break down for a decent chunk of time this season (My nominee, Paul Pierce) and another (Ray Allen) will be traded to a contender once it becomes clear we will not be winning a title this year.

I just hope they play the young guys enough so we can see what we have. Jajuan Johnson in particular.

[JSD]

Guys! This is NOT just a LAC pick:
---
 In 2012, the Celtics would receive the lesser of the Clippers first-round pick or the T'Wolves' first-round pick (Marko Jaric trade)
---
 

As long as it is outside the top 11.


Which pick is more likely to be outside the top 11?  

Plus, my guess is that the potential of that pick going to Boston was eliminated in their trade.

Since LA essentially got to choose which pick we got -- it was always the worse of the two -- they should be able to say "Never mind.  If that Twolves pick is actually worse than our original pick, we'll eat it".  The protection was in there for the Clippers benefit, not ours, so I'm sure it was struck out.

Im sure too.

At what point is this Clipper pick unprotected? It might make sense for the Celtics to wait 5-7 years at this point...

It is not the Celts choice.  Basically, anytime the pick fall outside the top 10, it goes to the Celts.  No option to refuse it form our end.

That's not how I understood the pick back when the trade went down. Do you have a link or can someone else verify?

As far as I know, droopdog is correct; I haven't heard anything about a rollover option.  The only caveats I've seen regarding the pick are that it's top-10 protected (until something like 2016), and the Clips could have sent us the Twolves pick if both picks fell outside the top 10.

Hmm... so based on that info why is that the assumption? I always thought of this pick like the Denver pick used on the Joe Johnson draft a few years back in that every year the protection decreases and we can use it when we want. That's how I understood it anyway but your probably right, Roy. Bummer...

[Texstyles]

Even if the Clippers pick is in the late teens or early twenties there will still be a lot of good players left. Here is a list from draftexpress of their mock draft from 10- to the end of the first. Likely both our picks will between 10-20 which will net us two extremely good prospects. Even after 20 Lamb, and Lima jump out at me. This draft is absolutely stacked.

10 Bradley Beal  SG
18 years old; 6'4"; 177 lbs.
Florida, Freshman

11 Jeremy Lamb  SG
19 years old; 6'5"; 185 lbs.
Connecticut, Sophomore

12 Terrence Ross  SF
20 years old; 6'6"; 180 lbs.
Washington, Sophomore

13 Michael Gilchrist  SF
18 years old; 6'7"; 205 lbs.
Kentucky, Freshman

14 Tyler Zeller  PF/C
21 years old; 6'11"; 220 lbs.
North Carolina, Junior

15 Patric Young  C
19 years old; 6'9"; 220 lbs.
Florida, Sophomore

16 Kendall Marshall  PG
20 years old; 6'3"; 170 lbs.
North Carolina, Sophomore

17 Austin Rivers  SG
19 years old; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
Duke, Freshman

18 Mason Plumlee  PF
21 years old; 6'11"; 210 lbs.
Duke, Junior

19 Festus Ezeli  C
22 years old; 6'11"; 255 lbs.
Vanderbilt, Senior

20 Jeff Taylor  SF
22 years old; 6'6"; 200 lbs.
Vanderbilt, Senior

21 Evan Fournier  SG/SF
19 years old; 6'6"; 200 lbs.
Poitiers, International

22 LeBryan Nash  SF/PF
19 years old; 6'7"; 220 lbs.
Oklahoma State, Freshman

23 Tomas Satoransky  SG
20 years old; 6'6"; 190 lbs.
Sevilla, International

24 C.J. Leslie  SF/PF
20 years old; 6'8"; 205 lbs.
N.C. State, Sophomore

25 Khris Middleton  SF
20 years old; 6'7"; 215 lbs.
Texas A&M, Junior

26 Darius Johnson-Odom  SG
22 years old; 6'2"; 215 lbs.
Marquette, Senior

27 Doron Lamb  SG
20 years old; 6'4"; 170 lbs.
Kentucky, Sophomore

28 John Jenkins  SG
20 years old; 6'4"; 215 lbs.
Vanderbilt, Junior

29 Furkan Aldemir  PF
20 years old; 6'9"; 220 lbs.
Galatasaray, International

30 Augusto Cesar Lima  PF
20 years old; 6'10"; 235 lbs.
Granada, International

The pick that stands out to me is # 17

17 Austin Rivers  SG
19 years old; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
Duke, Freshman


How convenient !!!!!

[droopdog7]

Roy is right?  Okay, I am kidding.  And while I don't have a link, I am about 100% sure that I am right on this one.

Guys! This is NOT just a LAC pick:
---
 In 2012, the Celtics would receive the lesser of the Clippers first-round pick or the T'Wolves' first-round pick (Marko Jaric trade)
---
 

As long as it is outside the top 11.


Which pick is more likely to be outside the top 11?  

Plus, my guess is that the potential of that pick going to Boston was eliminated in their trade.

Since LA essentially got to choose which pick we got -- it was always the worse of the two -- they should be able to say "Never mind.  If that Twolves pick is actually worse than our original pick, we'll eat it".  The protection was in there for the Clippers benefit, not ours, so I'm sure it was struck out.

Im sure too.

At what point is this Clipper pick unprotected? It might make sense for the Celtics to wait 5-7 years at this point...

It is not the Celts choice.  Basically, anytime the pick fall outside the top 10, it goes to the Celts.  No option to refuse it form our end.

That's not how I understood the pick back when the trade went down. Do you have a link or can someone else verify?

As far as I know, droopdog is correct; I haven't heard anything about a rollover option.  The only caveats I've seen regarding the pick are that it's top-10 protected (until something like 2016), and the Clips could have sent us the Twolves pick if both picks fell outside the top 10.

Hmm... so based on that info why is that the assumption? I always thought of this pick like the Denver pick used on the Joe Johnson draft a few years back in that every year the protection decreases and we can use it when we want. That's how I understood it anyway but your probably right, Roy. Bummer...

[LarBrd33]

Well....

(healthy) Chris Paul >>>> Rondo
(healthy) Butler probably = to Pierce these days
Griffin is probably the best PF in the league... probably  >> KG at this point
We have a shooting guard (Ray)... they have a center (Jordan)...

Nothing about the Clippers would shock me.  I could totally seem them being contenders.

It also wouldn't shock me if the Celtics were a lotto team this year.

[Fafnir]

Well....

(healthy) Chris Paul >>>> Rondo
(healthy) Butler probably = to Pierce these days
Griffin is probably the best PF in the league... probably  >> KG at this point
We have a shooting guard (Ray)... they have a center (Jordan)...

Nothing about the Clippers would shock me.  I could totally seem them being contenders.

It also wouldn't shock me if the Celtics were a lotto team this year.

Getting ahead of yourself with Griffin, he needs to harness his potential as a defender/rebounder before he becomes better than KG/Amar'e/Gasol/Bosh. He'll be the best soon, but not yet.

Butler being as good as Pierce is also a bit strange to me, not unless Pierce declines an awful lot this year compared to last.

[Celtics18]

Well....

(healthy) Chris Paul >>>> Rondo
(healthy) Butler probably = to Pierce these days
Griffin is probably the best PF in the league... probably  >> KG at this point
We have a shooting guard (Ray)... they have a center (Jordan)...

Nothing about the Clippers would shock me.  I could totally seem them being contenders.

It also wouldn't shock me if the Celtics were a lotto team this year.

You've got some nerve saying that Caron Butler is probably equal to Paul Pierce.