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Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #60 on: December 12, 2011, 06:24:38 PM »

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Wait, people are actually upset with this? That is too funny. One of the better bigs available takes only $3 million to sign with year....yet we complain.

Boy I wish we still had that $3 million to sign Reggie Evans or Joel Pryzbilla.

Seriously...now people are just looking for things to whine about.

I'd have preferred Przyzbilla over Wilcox and it's not even close.

Wilcox one of the best bigs available? He wasn't even able to break the Pistons' rotation.

Sad News

Rasheed still getting $6,790,000 from Celtics (taking up cap space... bad move by Danny IMO...somewhat overpaid

Shaq still getting $1,399,507 (taking up cap space) and

JO getting $6,226,000 (he better come thru or another bad use of $$$ by DA....

Sheed and Shaq aren't being paid or taking cap space.

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #61 on: December 12, 2011, 06:24:46 PM »

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With the SG position I really think we need for Pierce to play around 12-16 minutes a game there.   It would allow him to spell Ray and free up more minutes for Jeff Green at small forward.  

For a short period he could hang.  Some quicker guards like DWade would be an issue but most he could contain for short spells.  He also could post many of them up.  

The main point is Doc doesn't need to have more than 9 men play he just needs to make sure their minutes aren't above 30...

Green 32
Pierce 30
Allen 30

That almost takes up all the 96 minutes for the SG/SF spots..

Keeps our best players out their longer.  Green also can post quite well at the 3...(Nice jump hook)

KG/Wilcox/Green/Pierce/Rondo  Is a group I'd be interested in watching especially with Wilcox and Green running the break...

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2011, 06:25:08 PM »

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Sad News

Rasheed still getting $6,790,000 from Celtics (taking up cap space... bad move by Danny IMO...somewhat overpaid

Shaq still getting $1,399,507 (taking up cap space) and

JO getting $6,226,000 (he better come thru or another bad use of $$$ by DA....


wow...what a waste on sheed and JO....JO is so overpaid it is pathetic

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2011, 06:25:56 PM »

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Sad News

Rasheed still getting $6,790,000 from Celtics (taking up cap space... bad move by Danny IMO...somewhat overpaid

Shaq still getting $1,399,507 (taking up cap space) and

JO getting $6,226,000 (he better come thru or another bad use of $$$ by DA....
All true im afraid



Actually, only the last is true, I believe.

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Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2011, 06:25:57 PM »

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Sad News

Rasheed still getting $6,790,000 from Celtics (taking up cap space... bad move by Danny IMO...somewhat overpaid

Shaq still getting $1,399,507 (taking up cap space) and

JO getting $6,226,000 (he better come thru or another bad use of $$$ by DA....

What does it matter if Rasheed and Shaq are still on the cap, it's not like they would get us under the Luxury Cap to get us the full MLE. It is irrelevant. But, we all know you just want to bash Danny.

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2011, 06:36:34 PM »

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That's too bad.  Still happy with the Wilcox get. 
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Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2011, 06:37:14 PM »

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Being from the bay area, I have to laugh at all these posters who complain about moves like this.  Really ?  You have to complain about adding a guy like Wilcox to your bench ?

You straight stole Bass, upgraded your backup PG position by leaps & bounds with Dooling, & are starting names like Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, & O'neal.....& you're complaining about adding Wilcox to that bench ?  Wilcox isn't a 12th man by any stretch.  Those are 3 solid bench guys to go with Green(haven't even seen what a Moore or Johnson could do.  Knowing Ainge, 1 of those 2 probably can play a valuable roll as well.  At least).

Spoiled, rotten. Your 2nd string competes with the Warriors & Kings starting lineup out here night in & night out.  Trust me, it could be worse.


Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2011, 06:38:58 PM »

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Being from the bay area, I have to laugh at all these posters who complain about moves like this.  Really ?  You have to complain about adding a guy like Wilcox to your bench ?

You straight stole Bass, upgraded your backup PG position by leaps & bounds with Dooling, & are starting names like Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, & O'neal.....& you're complaining about adding Wilcox to that bench ?  Wilcox isn't a 12th man by any stretch.  Those are 3 solid bench guys to go with Green(haven't even seen what a Moore or Johnson could do.  Knowing Ainge, 1 of those 2 probably can play a valuable roll as well.  At least).

Spoiled, rotten. You're 2nd string competes with the Warriors & Kings starting lineup out here night in & night out.  Trust me, it could be worse.



so you're saying that if we were to set the bar as low as the warriors / kings, we'd be ecstatic?


well, sure.  but saying that you're doing a lot better than the warriors and kings is not saying much.
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Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2011, 06:41:18 PM »

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Wait, people are actually upset with this? That is too funny. One of the better bigs available takes only $3 million to sign with year....yet we complain.

Boy I wish we still had that $3 million to sign Reggie Evans or Joel Pryzbilla.

Seriously...now people are just looking for things to whine about.

I'd have preferred Przyzbilla over Wilcox and it's not even close.

Wilcox one of the best bigs available? He wasn't even able to break the Pistons' rotation.

Sad News

Rasheed still getting $6,790,000 from Celtics (taking up cap space... bad move by Danny IMO...somewhat overpaid

Shaq still getting $1,399,507 (taking up cap space) and

JO getting $6,226,000 (he better come thru or another bad use of $$$ by DA....

Sheed and Shaq aren't being paid or taking cap space.

In what universe is Pryzbilla a better big than Chris Wilcox? Pryzbilla couldn't score if you left him open under the rim.

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2011, 06:45:58 PM »

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Being from the bay area, I have to laugh at all these posters who complain about moves like this.  Really ?  You have to complain about adding a guy like Wilcox to your bench ?

You straight stole Bass, upgraded your backup PG position by leaps & bounds with Dooling, & are starting names like Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, & O'neal.....& you're complaining about adding Wilcox to that bench ?  Wilcox isn't a 12th man by any stretch.  Those are 3 solid bench guys to go with Green(haven't even seen what a Moore or Johnson could do.  Knowing Ainge, 1 of those 2 probably can play a valuable roll as well.  At least).

Spoiled, rotten. You're 2nd string competes with the Warriors & Kings starting lineup out here night in & night out.  Trust me, it could be worse.



so you're saying that if we were to set the bar as low as the warriors / kings, we'd be ecstatic?


well, sure.  but saying that you're doing a lot better than the warriors and kings is not saying much.


Not at all, you said that.  I'm saying it could be a lot worse.

Wilcox is no slouch & you should be ecstatic about getting him.  You did well with this signing.

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2011, 06:46:21 PM »

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Wait, people are actually upset with this? That is too funny. One of the better bigs available takes only $3 million to sign with year....yet we complain.

Boy I wish we still had that $3 million to sign Reggie Evans or Joel Pryzbilla.

Seriously...now people are just looking for things to whine about.

I'd have preferred Przyzbilla over Wilcox and it's not even close.

Wilcox one of the best bigs available? He wasn't even able to break the Pistons' rotation.

Sad News

Rasheed still getting $6,790,000 from Celtics (taking up cap space... bad move by Danny IMO...somewhat overpaid

Shaq still getting $1,399,507 (taking up cap space) and

JO getting $6,226,000 (he better come thru or another bad use of $$$ by DA....

Sheed and Shaq aren't being paid or taking cap space.

In what universe is Pryzbilla a better big than Chris Wilcox? Pryzbilla couldn't score if you left him open under the rim.

In the universe where basketball is about more than scoring.

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2011, 06:51:49 PM »

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Being from the bay area, I have to laugh at all these posters who complain about moves like this.  Really ?  You have to complain about adding a guy like Wilcox to your bench ?

You straight stole Bass, upgraded your backup PG position by leaps & bounds with Dooling, & are starting names like Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, & O'neal.....& you're complaining about adding Wilcox to that bench ?  Wilcox isn't a 12th man by any stretch.  Those are 3 solid bench guys to go with Green(haven't even seen what a Moore or Johnson could do.  Knowing Ainge, 1 of those 2 probably can play a valuable roll as well.  At least).

Spoiled, rotten. You're 2nd string competes with the Warriors & Kings starting lineup out here night in & night out.  Trust me, it could be worse.



so you're saying that if we were to set the bar as low as the warriors / kings, we'd be ecstatic?


well, sure.  but saying that you're doing a lot better than the warriors and kings is not saying much.


Not at all, you said that.  I'm saying it could be a lot worse.

Wilcox is no slouch & you should be ecstatic about getting him.  You did well with this signing.

im with you as far as that goes.  i like the addition of wilcox.  he's probably about on the same level as what nenad krstic gave us -- more athletic but not as big.  so it's nice that we were able to plug that hole.

i think people around here are just used to the MLE signing being a player who actually brings something to the team that we didn't have before.
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Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2011, 06:52:48 PM »

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That is a wee bit disappointing.

Delighted with Wilcox for the minimum. Just about satisfied with Wilcox for the mini-MLE (1yr).

I wasn't optimistic about the remaining talent available for the mini-MLE so it doesn't look a huge loss anyways. Fair enough.

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2011, 06:58:12 PM »

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Wait, people are actually upset with this? That is too funny. One of the better bigs available takes only $3 million to sign with year....yet we complain.

Boy I wish we still had that $3 million to sign Reggie Evans or Joel Pryzbilla.

Seriously...now people are just looking for things to whine about.

I'd have preferred Przyzbilla over Wilcox and it's not even close.

Wilcox one of the best bigs available? He wasn't even able to break the Pistons' rotation.

Sad News

Rasheed still getting $6,790,000 from Celtics (taking up cap space... bad move by Danny IMO...somewhat overpaid

Shaq still getting $1,399,507 (taking up cap space) and

JO getting $6,226,000 (he better come thru or another bad use of $$$ by DA....

Sheed and Shaq aren't being paid or taking cap space.

In what universe is Pryzbilla a better big than Chris Wilcox? Pryzbilla couldn't score if you left him open under the rim.

In the universe where basketball is about more than scoring.

There is no universe where Pryzbilla is better than Wilcox. Wilcox had a PER of 18 last year and Pryzbilla was a whopping 6. Pryzbilla averaged 2 points and 4 boards last year in 14 minutes. Wilcox averaged 7 points 5 boards in 17. I could also make the argument that Wilcox is more reliable at this point but I think the numbers are more than enough.

Re: C's used mini-MLE on Wilcox
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2011, 06:59:45 PM »

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Couple things:

1. Shaq and Rasheed are retired and are not on our cap or being paid. Rasheed was off the books last year and Shaq's papers may not have been processed yet by the league but his salary and cap number will not be on the books this year once they do get processed, if they haven't been already.

2. As much as I would have rather had Wilcox for the min, he is still very good value at the MMLE. He has consistently had Per36 numbers in the 15/9 area for many years and is just 29 years old. By comparison DeAndre Jordan, who's team defense and offensive repetoire beyond a dunk is not good at all, has Per36 numbers of 10/10 and will be making $10 million this year.

3. Would have loved to have gotten Paul or West but neither was very realistic, even less so once Herr Stern vetoed the Paul trade to LA. Take those to dreams out of the picture and I love what Danny has done this off season and give him major props for attempting the spectacular.

4. I do not see what all the pessimism is all about. Yes, there is a group of, let's call them "keeping it real", fans that post here and in the game threads that are going to advocate doom and gloom but for the most part, we are still the 2nd-4th best team in the East and any team in that area has a shot at a title. How many were predicting the Mavs as champs last year? Everyone thought them old and done. Strange things can happen and until the Celtics are eliminated, I think they have as good a chance as any and better chance than most to win this year's title.