I think the hornets were severely undervaluing Rondo

[deekhead]

Rondo is a crowd pleaser when he is on....his ball handling skills are second to none.

That said........he shoot freethrows about like Shaq...like he has never played ball

There is NO EXCUSE for Rondo to be a poor freethrow shooter, all he has to do is practice a million hours ...I think its mental more than anything. I could accept his poor ouside jumper if he could shoot 90% from the freethrow line.

Wait, are you saying that if he just "worked on it in the offseason" his FTs and jumpers would improve?

Cuz every offseason I read posts from ecstatic c-bloggers reporting that Rondo has been working on his shooting, and now he'll put it all together, be the complete package....

Rondo does practice his FTs and jumpers in the off season... mostly while he has his roller skates and headphones on.

Talk about trying to become the complete package! That's our Rondo.

DH

[dtrader]

Ah, I suspect that Demps just sees what objective NBA fans see in Rondo - a petulant, shooting-challenged player whose effort isn't consistent enough on either end of the floor. Star potential, but the reality is the game isn't developing.

  The reality isn't that Rondo's game isn't developing, more that the development is in areas less measurable than free throw percentage. Some people can see it, some don't.

This is possible, but the point that I'm taking from the last week, is that the people who do see the development are the ones already wearing green.  People outside that circle dont see him so highly.

And from the items that pop up from a quick google search, it seems like CP DID say that he would not sign an extension with the clippers OR warriors.  So it really wasn't an issue of whose better with them as it was with Rondo.

  Sigh. He wasn't going to sign an extension with anyone because he'll get a lot more money with a new deal. Just like Deron Williams, who won't extend with the Nets but still plans to sign a new deal with them. He definitely said they were a preferred destination.

  And the people who vote for all-star games, all nba teams and all those basketball "experts" that did the nba player rankings? Are they all in that circle, wearing green?

  People who claim that only Boston fans appreciate Rondo are in serious denial.

First you implied that GS and the LA werent willing to trade Curry or Gordon because they were overvaluing them in relation to CP3.  I said that wasn't the case, because neither of those teams had a commitment from CP3 that he'd sign an extension, so it wasnt about comparing the players.  Then you said "No, CP3 was definitely pointing to the Clips as a team that he'd sign an extension with".  So I looked it up, and found that CP said he would NOT sign an extension in LA.  Now you're saying that he wouldn't sign an extension with anyone.  I knew that already, but then why did you say he was "definitely pointing to the Clips as a team that he'd sign an extension with?" lol.  His preferred location doesnt really impact the discussion of who is being valued how.  The fact is, that Curry and Gordon were NOT being valued higher than CP...they just werent valued higher than 4 months with him.  Rondo on the other hand WAS valued substantially lower than all 3 (and lower than the Lakers package).

 One group that votes for all star games, is fans, and if you go browse through the other teams forums, you'll see that they dont see Rondo the same way the posters here do.  They see him as a flawed player that isnt a piece to build around.  GMs and owners obviously dont see Rondo the way posters on this forum see him, because if they did the deal for CP would have been done ten times over.  I dont see how you can look at the disconnect between the way this board saw our trade proposal, and the way the proposal was received by other organizations (and their fans), and not recognize that our view of Rondo may be in the minority.

[BballTim]

Lots of people around here value Rondo the same as New Orleans does, in that they are skeptical about building a team about Rondo.

Rajon Rondo is a great talent, but he's not a max-level contract talent like Chris Paul.  Rondo has certain flaws that mean that some players are a bad fit next to him.  Perhaps you wouldn't be quick to pair Rondo with a ball-dominant scoring wing who isn't a good three-point shooter.  So, if you're starting with Rondo, you may have fewer options in building a team.  Plus, there are some good point guards who will be free agents in the next couple of years.

So, even accepting that Rondo is a great player who is worth more than he is being paid, I can see how a team isn't crazy or severely undervaluing him if it doesn't want to build a team around Rondo.

  FWIW, there are other players in the league that have certain flaws that mean that some players are a bad fit next to him.  Perhaps you wouldn't be quick to pair them with a ball-dominant scoring wing who isn't a good three-point shooter. Names like James and Wade come to mind.

[Carhole]

He was undervaluing Rondo... No doubt about it.  Seems like most fans love to overvalue Rondo and most GM's and NBA front offices love to undervalue Rondo.

  So this means that Gordon and Curry are both more valuable than CP3?

No clue where you got that from BballTim.  Obviously they are worse.  CP3 is a top 5-7 player in the league.

  Seems like if NO not wanting to trade for Rondo means he's overvalued, then the fact that GS and LA wouldn't trade players that, let's face it, aren't exactly franchise players, for CP3 would mean that he's pretty overvalued as well.

All of the thoughtful posts I have read from you over the years (even though sometimes I think you are Rajon father) and now you pull out the intentionally dense play?

You know full well that if CP3 was willing to sign long term both those deals are made. The issue is not talent level of the players the issue is those two teams do not want to rent CP3

So in review,

Celtics value - 1 year of cp3 > 3 more years of 10 million Rondo
GS values - Curry on his rookie deal + future with team > CP3 for one year
Clips value - Gordon on rookie deal + future with team > CP3 for 1 year.

Applying the transitive property will help you define the value of given players to their respective teams. You may not agree but Ainge values Rondo less than GS and LA value Curry and Gordon

[LarBrd33]

I think the Hornets ownership have no interest in Rondo for the same reason the Hornets ownership just rejected Scola, Odom and Martin... $$$ owed.   Rondo isn't going to fill seats so why would you want him on the books?  They want guys on their rookie contracts, draft picks and little salary commitment (hence why they were pushing Boston to get a 3rd team involved).  It's not about "talent".  They want to sell this team and buyers don't want to buy a crappy franchise with a bunch of financial baggage.  

[BballTim]

Ah, I suspect that Demps just sees what objective NBA fans see in Rondo - a petulant, shooting-challenged player whose effort isn't consistent enough on either end of the floor. Star potential, but the reality is the game isn't developing.

  The reality isn't that Rondo's game isn't developing, more that the development is in areas less measurable than free throw percentage. Some people can see it, some don't.

This is possible, but the point that I'm taking from the last week, is that the people who do see the development are the ones already wearing green.  People outside that circle dont see him so highly.

And from the items that pop up from a quick google search, it seems like CP DID say that he would not sign an extension with the clippers OR warriors.  So it really wasn't an issue of whose better with them as it was with Rondo.

  Sigh. He wasn't going to sign an extension with anyone because he'll get a lot more money with a new deal. Just like Deron Williams, who won't extend with the Nets but still plans to sign a new deal with them. He definitely said they were a preferred destination.

  And the people who vote for all-star games, all nba teams and all those basketball "experts" that did the nba player rankings? Are they all in that circle, wearing green?

  People who claim that only Boston fans appreciate Rondo are in serious denial.

First you implied that GS and the LA werent willing to trade Curry or Gordon because they were overvaluing them in relation to CP3.  I said that wasn't the case, because neither of those teams had a commitment from CP3 that he'd sign an extension, so it wasnt about comparing the players.  Then you said "No, CP3 was definitely pointing to the Clips as a team that he'd sign an extension with".  So I looked it up, and found that CP said he would NOT sign an extension in LA.  Now you're saying that he wouldn't sign an extension with anyone.  I knew that already, but then why did you say he was "definitely pointing to the Clips as a team that he'd sign an extension with?" lol.  His preferred location doesnt really impact the discussion of who is being valued how.  The fact is, that Curry and Gordon were NOT being valued higher than CP...they just werent valued higher than 4 months with him.  Rondo on the other hand WAS valued substantially lower than all 3 (and lower than the Lakers package).

  You're right, I misspoke when I said he'd sign an extension with them, I meant he'd sign a new contract with them. He as saying, as I mentioned, that the Clippers were one of his preferred destinations. And what I was implying is that it's just as ridiculous to assume that an owner not wanting to trade a player for CP3 meant that player was better than CP3 as what you were saying was.

One group that votes for all star games, is fans, and if you go browse through the other teams forums, you'll see that they dont see Rondo the same way the posters here do.  They see him as a flawed player that isnt a piece to build around.  GMs and owners obviously dont see Rondo the way posters on this forum see him, because if they did the deal for CP would have been done ten times over.  I dont see how you can look at the disconnect between the way this board saw our trade proposal, and the way the proposal was received by other organizations (and their fans), and not recognize that our view of Rondo may be in the minority.

   Message boards are a fairly small circle of people. How many fans are there, and how many of them post on message boards? Plus, opinions on message boards are fairly incestuous.

  Rondo was one of the higher vote getters for the all-star game, I doubt that was all Celtics fans. The all-nba teams are voted on by the media, Rondo finished 4th among pgs and 13th or so overall in the voting in spite of only having 6 or so healthy weeks all year. Manly Celtics fans there as well? He also finished in the top 20 in espn's nba rankings. Were those voters all Celts fans?

[BballTim]

You know full well that if CP3 was willing to sign long term both those deals are made. The issue is not talent level of the players the issue is those two teams do not want to rent CP3

  I know full well that the Clippers were one of the teams Paul wanted to be traded to. If you have proof that he didn't want to play for the Clips and wouldn't re-sign with them any more than he'd re-sign with NO, let's see it.