Lets just trade the whole team for Chris Paul

[GreenFaith1819]

"Sources said their offer includes point guard Rajon Rondo, a 2012 top-10 protected first-round pick from the Clippers, second-year guard Avery Bradley and rookie guard E'Twaun Moore. Another source said restricted free agent Jeff Green would likely be part of that deal as well."

You gotta be **** kidding me. I wouldn't make this trade in all of eternity. Lets just have Larry Bird and Bill Russel come out of retirement, find the fountain of youth, and then trade both of them for Chris Paul.

Danny is going all in with a terrible hand. What on Earth are we gonna do next year with Chris Paul and one other player??

yea bc bradley (who hasn't shown a single thing thus far), moore (who hasn't stepped foot on an nba court), and jeff green (decent player) are the whole team (other than rondo) and are worthy of comparrisons of bird, russell, etc.

I understand the point your making, but these guys i mentioned have yet to prove anything in green.  throwing them in with a pick and rondo for the near-consenus best pg in the nba is a steal for the celts.

Considering the lack of depth on the this roster I get his point but I think the only significant players offered are Rondo and Green. I still think Bradley could end up being solid since he seems like a good kid and a hard worker. Moore almost wasn't drafted so it's safe to say he's not going to be a superstar.

My problem is those guys plus the draft pick. I think the actual deal is worse because it sounds like two first rounders instead of Bradley and Moore. I value the Clippers pick since it's likely to be a lottery pick so it's easy to make the argument that you are trading away 3 players of significant talent. If not 4 depending on if the late first rounder ended up working out.

Being that I don't think CP3 is actually a whole lot better than Rondo it's a bad deal. I will admit that CP3 is better but not Jeff Green, 1st rounder and a lottery pick better. Especially on a team with such little depth, the bench without Green starts looking really pathetic.

Exactly - what you said about what Boston is reportedly offering.

BUT - Didn't Danny do something very similar to this back in Summer of 2007? A bunch of picks/players for one guy - KG?

Except this time, our potential landslide here is getting a 25 y/o Chris Paul, and hopefully drawing a 26 y/o Dwight next season.

KG and Ray Ray were still significant players, but were on the downside of their careers.

Here, Chris Paul is not even in his prime, yet....and the ulitimate prize (Dwight) isn't in his prime, either.

God forbid that Jeff Green is traded in this, but with the confirmed reports of Boston being on Shane Battier's wish list getting him could alleviate us losing Green.

I hate losing that 12th pick from the Clips...but again - shades of 2007 here.....

Looking back, KG and Ray, teaming up with Paul, have made Boston contenders in every year and one Banner. Rondo has matured into a significant part of the team as well.

Rajon Rondo could be our Al Jefferson this time around. I'm still very reluctant to trade him, but that is how this is looking.

[Jon]

Well, one thing I think the OP isn't taking into account is the potential ripple effect of trading for Chris Paul even over the next few weeks.  Right now I think the perception around the league is that the C's are a long shot at best to win a title. With Paul, they once again become a favorite (at least in terms of perception), allowing them to potentially get free agents to take less money to come here.

So, while we give up a lot, we may gain a significant recruiting edge, even for this year. I'm not so sure Grant Hill leaves sunny Phoenix for Boston right now, but I could see him doing it if Chris Paul ends up here.

[Roy H.]

Well, one thing I think the OP isn't taking into account is the potential ripple effect of trading for Chris Paul even over the next few weeks.  Right now I think the perception around the league is that the C's are a long shot at best to win a title. With Paul, they once again become a favorite (at least in terms of perception), allowing them to potentially get free agents to take less money to come here.

So, while we give up a lot, we may gain a significant recruiting edge, even for this year. I'm not so sure Grant Hill leaves sunny Phoenix for Boston right now, but I could see him doing it if Chris Paul ends up here.

Yep, and if not Hill, perhaps Shane Battier decides he prefers the Celts over Miami.  It's a very good point.

[dmny5000]

"Sources said their offer includes point guard Rajon Rondo, a 2012 top-10 protected first-round pick from the Clippers, second-year guard Avery Bradley and rookie guard E'Twaun Moore. Another source said restricted free agent Jeff Green would likely be part of that deal as well."

You gotta be **** kidding me. I wouldn't make this trade in all of eternity. Lets just have Larry Bird and Bill Russel come out of retirement, find the fountain of youth, and then trade both of them for Chris Paul.

Danny is going all in with a terrible hand. What on Earth are we gonna do next year with Chris Paul and one other player??

yea bc bradley (who hasn't shown a single thing thus far), moore (who hasn't stepped foot on an nba court), and jeff green (decent player) are the whole team (other than rondo) and are worthy of comparrisons of bird, russell, etc.

I understand the point your making, but these guys i mentioned have yet to prove anything in green.  throwing them in with a pick and rondo for the near-consenus best pg in the nba is a steal for the celts.

Considering the lack of depth on the this roster I get his point but I think the only significant players offered are Rondo and Green. I still think Bradley could end up being solid since he seems like a good kid and a hard worker. Moore almost wasn't drafted so it's safe to say he's not going to be a superstar.

My problem is those guys plus the draft pick. I think the actual deal is worse because it sounds like two first rounders instead of Bradley and Moore. I value the Clippers pick since it's likely to be a lottery pick so it's easy to make the argument that you are trading away 3 players of significant talent. If not 4 depending on if the late first rounder ended up working out.

Being that I don't think CP3 is actually a whole lot better than Rondo it's a bad deal. I will admit that CP3 is better but not Jeff Green, 1st rounder and a lottery pick better. Especially on a team with such little depth, the bench without Green starts looking really pathetic.

Exactly - what you said about what Boston is reportedly offering.

BUT - Didn't Danny do something very similar to this back in Summer of 2007? A bunch of picks/players for one guy - KG?

Except this time, our potential landslide here is getting a 25 y/o Chris Paul, and hopefully drawing a 26 y/o Dwight next season.

KG and Ray Ray were still significant players, but were on the downside of their careers.

Here, Chris Paul is not even in his prime, yet....and the ulitimate prize (Dwight) isn't in his prime, either.

God forbid that Jeff Green is traded in this, but with the confirmed reports of Boston being on Shane Battier's wish list getting him could alleviate us losing Green.

I hate losing that 12th pick from the Clips...but again - shades of 2007 here.....

Looking back, KG and Ray, teaming up with Paul, have made Boston contenders in every year and one Banner. Rondo has matured into a significant part of the team as well.

Rajon Rondo could be our Al Jefferson this time around. I'm still very reluctant to trade him, but that is how this is looking.

Al Jefferson was not on Rondo's level or even close imo. That and only the picks were valuable. Most of the young guys in the deal were busts or just barely rotation players. This time it's a solid sixth man on most teams in Jeff Green plus Rondo is way better than Jefferson ever was.

One of my biggest reasons for hesitation on this is Pauls knee. It really concerns me and that's one of my biggest issues with the deal.

It would certainly attract some free agents that aren't really considering the Celtics at this time  like Jon says. That's a big benefit obviously. I just worry about the knee mostly. I'm pretty torn myself on this and cant decide what I want to happen.

[SHAQATTACK]

ALso think of the potential good effect it will be for KG/Ray /PP to have somebody else to take some of the load off their older bodies and have a point guard like Paul. I suspect the big three are "ALL ABOUT" this happening .  They want another "SHOT" at the CHampionship , with CP3 they get that, with Rondo maybe though the first round of the playoffs.  I gotta believe the whole team is buying into the CP3 trade.

[jdz101]

You can't compare this to 07. Garnett is a big man and a defensive force that anchors the whole team. Chris paul is a point guard. Good big men win championships... The same can't be said about point guards.

[gpap]

All I know is Rondo is a horrible shooter and Chris Paul is a better player. So, give me Chris Paul!

[dmny5000]

You can't compare this to 07. Garnett is a big man and a defensive force that anchors the whole team. Chris paul is a point guard. Good big men win championships... The same can't be said about point guards.

Better point than I was making so thanks haha.

[dmny5000]

All I know is Rondo is a horrible shooter and Chris Paul is a better player. So, give me Chris Paul!

People keep saying that but it's not really true. Yes his ft shooting blows. His mid range game is greatly improved and not only was he taking more last year he was also making more. Just look at his percentage from mid range last year and compare it to others and it's really not bad.

[wdleehi]

You can't compare this to 07. Garnett is a big man and a defensive force that anchors the whole team. Chris paul is a point guard. Good big men win championships... The same can't be said about point guards.

So we should make a move that helps get the better big man here.


And Howard has stated he wants to play with Paul.



Therefor, adding Paul for Rondo makes it more likely that Howard would want to go to Boston and thus, the move the Celtics should try an make happen.  

[wdleehi]

All I know is Rondo is a horrible shooter and Chris Paul is a better player. So, give me Chris Paul!

People keep saying that but it's not really true. Yes his ft shooting blows. His mid range game is greatly improved and not only was he taking more last year he was also making more. Just look at his percentage from mid range last year and compare it to others and it's really not bad.

Defenses give Rondo the outside shot.


Defenses do not give Paul the outside shot.

[GreenFaith1819]

"Sources said their offer includes point guard Rajon Rondo, a 2012 top-10 protected first-round pick from the Clippers, second-year guard Avery Bradley and rookie guard E'Twaun Moore. Another source said restricted free agent Jeff Green would likely be part of that deal as well."

You gotta be **** kidding me. I wouldn't make this trade in all of eternity. Lets just have Larry Bird and Bill Russel come out of retirement, find the fountain of youth, and then trade both of them for Chris Paul.

Danny is going all in with a terrible hand. What on Earth are we gonna do next year with Chris Paul and one other player??

yea bc bradley (who hasn't shown a single thing thus far), moore (who hasn't stepped foot on an nba court), and jeff green (decent player) are the whole team (other than rondo) and are worthy of comparrisons of bird, russell, etc.

I understand the point your making, but these guys i mentioned have yet to prove anything in green.  throwing them in with a pick and rondo for the near-consenus best pg in the nba is a steal for the celts.

Considering the lack of depth on the this roster I get his point but I think the only significant players offered are Rondo and Green. I still think Bradley could end up being solid since he seems like a good kid and a hard worker. Moore almost wasn't drafted so it's safe to say he's not going to be a superstar.

My problem is those guys plus the draft pick. I think the actual deal is worse because it sounds like two first rounders instead of Bradley and Moore. I value the Clippers pick since it's likely to be a lottery pick so it's easy to make the argument that you are trading away 3 players of significant talent. If not 4 depending on if the late first rounder ended up working out.

Being that I don't think CP3 is actually a whole lot better than Rondo it's a bad deal. I will admit that CP3 is better but not Jeff Green, 1st rounder and a lottery pick better. Especially on a team with such little depth, the bench without Green starts looking really pathetic.

Exactly - what you said about what Boston is reportedly offering.

BUT - Didn't Danny do something very similar to this back in Summer of 2007? A bunch of picks/players for one guy - KG?

Except this time, our potential landslide here is getting a 25 y/o Chris Paul, and hopefully drawing a 26 y/o Dwight next season.

KG and Ray Ray were still significant players, but were on the downside of their careers.

Here, Chris Paul is not even in his prime, yet....and the ulitimate prize (Dwight) isn't in his prime, either.

God forbid that Jeff Green is traded in this, but with the confirmed reports of Boston being on Shane Battier's wish list getting him could alleviate us losing Green.

I hate losing that 12th pick from the Clips...but again - shades of 2007 here.....

Looking back, KG and Ray, teaming up with Paul, have made Boston contenders in every year and one Banner. Rondo has matured into a significant part of the team as well.

Rajon Rondo could be our Al Jefferson this time around. I'm still very reluctant to trade him, but that is how this is looking.

Al Jefferson was not on Rondo's level or even close imo. That and only the picks were valuable. Most of the young guys in the deal were busts or just barely rotation players. This time it's a solid sixth man on most teams in Jeff Green plus Rondo is way better than Jefferson ever was.

One of my biggest reasons for hesitation on this is Pauls knee. It really concerns me and that's one of my biggest issues with the deal.

It would certainly attract some free agents that aren't really considering the Celtics at this time  like Jon says. That's a big benefit obviously. I just worry about the knee mostly. I'm pretty torn myself on this and cant decide what I want to happen.

I'm torn, too - and my biggest concern, like you stated, is that knee of Chris Paul. When I read that article from A. Sherod Blakely it sounded like Brandon Roy to some extent.

As for Al Jefferson prior to the KG trade? He was averaging 16 pts and 11 rebs and seemed to be on the upswing. Danny sold him well. Gerald Green was playing well and had just won the dunk contest, so he had a lot of press. Ryan Gomes was a starter in Minny for much of the time he was there.

With what Boston gave up for KG, Minny has not done a good job with it. Danny basically sold the farm, IMO.

My optimistic view is that Chris Paul will re-up in Boston after we win Banner 18 in June of next year....he'll draw Dwight here....KG and Ray Ray will return for less money...we'll still have Paul...hopefully Battier or Grant Hill, like others here have stated.

Boston is due for some more good fortune, especially after our slate of injuries.

I'm trying to take the optimistic approach here.

[GreenFaith1819]

I honestly think that if Chris Paul just got here, he'd be nuts to leave.

Can you imagine the crowd noise? I remember KG's comments on the crowd after one of his first games in Green. I don't think he had any idea of how Boston would receive him:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rV52VCLJHo

The ironic thing here is that he also speaks well of Rondo, too.

[nickagneta]

Chris Paul for Rondo and Green and picks is a great trade for the Celtics. Adding in Moore and Bradley, if they have to go, well then, they have to go and are easily replaced.

Defenses collapsed the last two years and gave Rondo an outside shot that he was hesitant to take and not making at a very good clip given that he was wide open. His inability to properly make free throws or hit that wide open shot are easily the biggest weakness this team has offensively and they have struggled mightily at times on that end of the floor. Something has to be done and the best PG in the league is available.

And fans should have seen the Jeff Green heading out of town written on the wall. He didn't fit in last year. He's not a great rebounder and lacked defensive toughness. So what were the very first rumors we heard this year after the lockout ended, the Celtics were looking at SFs and were going to pick one up, definitely. Who's names popped up most? Shane Battier, Grant Hill, and Marquis Daniels. All SFs who play better defense than Green, will come a whole lot cheaper than Green, and can be had for a lot less years than Green will want.

Bradley showed nothing and Moore might not even be good enough for the NBA. Do the trade and sign cheap players and the roster could look like this

Chris Paul, Delonte West, Chris Quinn
Ray Allen, Anthony Parker
Paul Pierce, Shane Battier
Kevin Garnett, Glen Davis JaJuan Johnson, Leon Powe
Jermaine O'Neal, Dan Gadzuric, Jason Collins

I could be quite happy with a team like this for this year with just about everyone except Pierce and Paul expiring at years end.

[BballTim]

All I know is Rondo is a horrible shooter and Chris Paul is a better player. So, give me Chris Paul!

People keep saying that but it's not really true. Yes his ft shooting blows. His mid range game is greatly improved and not only was he taking more last year he was also making more. Just look at his percentage from mid range last year and compare it to others and it's really not bad.

Defenses give Rondo the outside shot.


Defenses do not give Paul the outside shot.

  Chris Paul doesn't get to the rim any more often than Ray Allen. Last year we were near the top of the league in inside scoring. Trade for Paul, and we may be close to the bottom. It's great that people won't sag off Paul that much, not so great that they won't have to worry too much about protecting the rim.