Rondo has been angry the Celtics are shopping him

[Marcus13]

Rondo's passer rating and CP3's passer ratings are identical. Hmmm....

True; but the more our scorers begin to vanish (as we've already seen over the last couple years), the more valuable CP3 becomes to us than Rondo

If CP3 had the opportunity to play with three hall of famers - his passer rating would be off the charts.  It is equal to Rondo's by making guys like David West and Tyson Chandler look beyond serviceable

[Fafnir]

Rondo's passer rating and CP3's passer ratings are identical. Hmmm....

Chris Paul doesn't turn it over as much as Rondo does, that's the biggest difference when it comes to their passing.

And I do concur with those who say that Rondo's offensive limitations have a negative impact on the team's offense. His inability to shoot limits the sort of lineups you can play with him and also allow for more gimick defenses. (Kobe on him)

[indeedproceed]

Rondo's passer rating and CP3's passer ratings are identical. Hmmm....

True; but the more our scorers begin to vanish (as we've already seen over the last couple years), the more valuable CP3 becomes to us than Rondo

If CP3 had the opportunity to play with three hall of famers - his passer rating would be off the charts.  It is equal to Rondo's by making guys like David West and Tyson Chandler look beyond serviceable

Oh I agree completely. I was saying the notion that Rondo's passing was another tier above CP3's is just bogus.

[Fafnir]

Rondo's passer rating and CP3's passer ratings are identical. Hmmm....

True; but the more our scorers begin to vanish (as we've already seen over the last couple years), the more valuable CP3 becomes to us than Rondo

If CP3 had the opportunity to play with three hall of famers - his passer rating would be off the charts.  It is equal to Rondo's by making guys like David West and Tyson Chandler look beyond serviceable

Oh I agree completely. I was saying the notion that Rondo's passing was another tier above CP3's is just bogus.

A big part of passing is avoiding giving away the ball. CP3 is able to achieve the same assist % with half the turnover rate.

I don't know about another tier, but CP3 is a better passer in my book because he is more efficient with the ball when he dishes.

[Inside-Out]

Rondo's passer rating and CP3's passer ratings are identical. Hmmm....

True; but the more our scorers begin to vanish (as we've already seen over the last couple years), the more valuable CP3 becomes to us than Rondo

If CP3 had the opportunity to play with three hall of famers - his passer rating would be off the charts.  It is equal to Rondo's by making guys like David West and Tyson Chandler look beyond serviceable

Oh I agree completely. I was saying the notion that Rondo's passing was another tier above CP3's is just bogus.

A big part of passing is avoiding giving away the ball. CP3 is able to achieve the same assist % with half the turnover rate.

I don't know about another tier, but CP3 is a better passer in my book because he is more efficient with the ball when he dishes.

And is able to do so with far inferior finishers around him than Rondo has enjoyed. 

[CDawg834]

If Ainge was going to trade Rondo... you wouldn't here a single word about it.  How many people saw the Perkins trade coming?

At the same time, how many people knew Ainge was interested in KG before that trade?  (Hint:  everybody and their brother)

Wanting to get a guy you like is different than trading part of your core.

Okay...  then how many people knew Big Al was on the block?  Again, everybody, and Danny had described Big Al on the radio that summer as part of his "core".

Not to mention it's never been a big secret that Ainge has always wanted Chris Paul...even trying to work a draft night trade sending Paul Pierce to Portland for the #3 pick, which he would have used to take Chris Paul.

[LB3533]

I also want to make a couple points about Rondo's bad habits....

1.) Sometimes Rondo won't drive (to score) because he wants the assist so darn much.

2.) Sometimes Rondo won't drive because he don't want to go to the line.


I mean, it's great that Rondo is a pass first player, but sometimes you can be selfish when you don't try to score.

[Weird Facts]

He has been angry?
so he is not angry anymore.

all good then.  Nice subject title =0)

[Q_FBE]

Rondo has to know this is a basketball business and that the team of the Celtics comes 1st.

If Danny is really after CP3, I think he is after the BIG DH as well. With PP the Career Celtic Hall of Famer, he has Bird rights to Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett to stay fairly relevent after this season.

It seems KG did not want to come here at one time. Now he don't want to leave. It is funny how winning a title in Boston does that to you.

[BballTim]

I think CP3 does address at least one of our needs and that is an offensive outlet not named BBD, Kendrick Perkins or Rajon Rondo.

Defenses are not going to play off CP3 and if CP3 is open he is going to make those shots with significant high efficiency.

This will relieve the offensive burden off the Big 3, who probably felt the need to carry much more of a load playing with 2 offensively deficient starters.

  People won't play off of CP3 but there will also be a lot less of a need for the opponents to protect the rim with him as our point guard. And Rondo's (generally) a below average scorer, but he's not an offensively deficient player. His overall contribution to our offense is better than what you see from most point guards.

Really think you're underestimating the effect playing with the big 3 has for Rondo, and would subsequently have for CP3. I don't think that without Rondo we'll have less overall attempts at the rim for a second.

  Without re-checking the stats, the Celts were 10th or so in baskets at the rim, NO was 27th or so. Again from memory, when Rondo's in, he scores or assists roughly 60% of our makes at the rim. When CP3 plays for NO he scores or assists roughly 45% of his team's made baskets at the rim. Also, on a per minute basis, Rondo scores or assists baskets at the rim roughly 50% more often than CP3.

Where are you getting this? I'm using hoopdata.com

Also, you're kinda sidestepping the whole "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit" argument.

  Probably from Hoopdata, some of it may have come from 82games though. You're kind of sidestepping the whole "those three HOFers don't really play at HOF levels any more. But fine, go with your "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit" argument. I'll start by stating the obvious, it really isn't true at all.

  I checked out, since the big three showed up, every instance of one of them missing at least 3 games in a row. This is a decent sample size, accounting for 72 games (mainly KG missing, btw). Comparing Rondo's season average to his averages with a "big two", you see the following:

 2008 up from 11/5 to 14/6
 2009 up from 12/8 to 14/8, 17/10 in the playoffs
 2010 up from 14/10 to 17/9
 2011 from 11/11 to 10/13 (note, the games KG missed were Rondo's first games back from plantar fascitis and a hamstring injury).

  So, since you made the claim that "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit", what evidence do you have to support it?

[indeedproceed]

I think CP3 does address at least one of our needs and that is an offensive outlet not named BBD, Kendrick Perkins or Rajon Rondo.

Defenses are not going to play off CP3 and if CP3 is open he is going to make those shots with significant high efficiency.

This will relieve the offensive burden off the Big 3, who probably felt the need to carry much more of a load playing with 2 offensively deficient starters.

  People won't play off of CP3 but there will also be a lot less of a need for the opponents to protect the rim with him as our point guard. And Rondo's (generally) a below average scorer, but he's not an offensively deficient player. His overall contribution to our offense is better than what you see from most point guards.

Really think you're underestimating the effect playing with the big 3 has for Rondo, and would subsequently have for CP3. I don't think that without Rondo we'll have less overall attempts at the rim for a second.

  Without re-checking the stats, the Celts were 10th or so in baskets at the rim, NO was 27th or so. Again from memory, when Rondo's in, he scores or assists roughly 60% of our makes at the rim. When CP3 plays for NO he scores or assists roughly 45% of his team's made baskets at the rim. Also, on a per minute basis, Rondo scores or assists baskets at the rim roughly 50% more often than CP3.

Where are you getting this? I'm using hoopdata.com

Also, you're kinda sidestepping the whole "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit" argument.

  Probably from Hoopdata, some of it may have come from 82games though. You're kind of sidestepping the whole "those three HOFers don't really play at HOF levels any more. But fine, go with your "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit" argument. I'll start by stating the obvious, it really isn't true at all.

  I checked out, since the big three showed up, every instance of one of them missing at least 3 games in a row. This is a decent sample size, accounting for 72 games (mainly KG missing, btw). Comparing Rondo's season average to his averages with a "big two", you see the following:

 2008 up from 11/5 to 14/6
 2009 up from 12/8 to 14/8, 17/10 in the playoffs
 2010 up from 14/10 to 17/9
 2011 from 11/11 to 10/13 (note, the games KG missed were Rondo's first games back from plantar fascitis and a hamstring injury).

  So, since you made the claim that "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit", what evidence do you have to support it?

1) I watch the games. Playing basketball on the same team as Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett...it'll help a young pass-first point guard accumulate assists a lot more than it won't.

2) Where are the turnover totals for the games you listed? FG%'s?

3) Playing next to Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, or Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, or Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett still helps Rondo out A LOT more than playing next to a rotating cast of a top-two consisting of one of Trevor Ariza, James Posey (the bad version), Carl Landry, Peja, Julian Wright, Marcus Thornton, Devin Brown, Rasual Butler...

So yeah, I'm gonna take a 'win' there. Playing on the same team as 3 HOF'ers has helped inflate Rondo's stats a bit.

[LB3533]

I think CP3 does address at least one of our needs and that is an offensive outlet not named BBD, Kendrick Perkins or Rajon Rondo.

Defenses are not going to play off CP3 and if CP3 is open he is going to make those shots with significant high efficiency.

This will relieve the offensive burden off the Big 3, who probably felt the need to carry much more of a load playing with 2 offensively deficient starters.

  People won't play off of CP3 but there will also be a lot less of a need for the opponents to protect the rim with him as our point guard. And Rondo's (generally) a below average scorer, but he's not an offensively deficient player. His overall contribution to our offense is better than what you see from most point guards.

Really think you're underestimating the effect playing with the big 3 has for Rondo, and would subsequently have for CP3. I don't think that without Rondo we'll have less overall attempts at the rim for a second.

  Without re-checking the stats, the Celts were 10th or so in baskets at the rim, NO was 27th or so. Again from memory, when Rondo's in, he scores or assists roughly 60% of our makes at the rim. When CP3 plays for NO he scores or assists roughly 45% of his team's made baskets at the rim. Also, on a per minute basis, Rondo scores or assists baskets at the rim roughly 50% more often than CP3.

Where are you getting this? I'm using hoopdata.com

Also, you're kinda sidestepping the whole "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit" argument.

  Probably from Hoopdata, some of it may have come from 82games though. You're kind of sidestepping the whole "those three HOFers don't really play at HOF levels any more. But fine, go with your "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit" argument. I'll start by stating the obvious, it really isn't true at all.

  I checked out, since the big three showed up, every instance of one of them missing at least 3 games in a row. This is a decent sample size, accounting for 72 games (mainly KG missing, btw). Comparing Rondo's season average to his averages with a "big two", you see the following:

 2008 up from 11/5 to 14/6
 2009 up from 12/8 to 14/8, 17/10 in the playoffs
 2010 up from 14/10 to 17/9
 2011 from 11/11 to 10/13 (note, the games KG missed were Rondo's first games back from plantar fascitis and a hamstring injury).

  So, since you made the claim that "Having 3 HOF'ers to create plays and spacing helps Rondo's stats quite a bit", what evidence do you have to support it?

1) I watch the games. Playing basketball on the same team as Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett...it'll help a young pass-first point guard accumulate assists a lot more than it won't.

2) Where are the turnover totals for the games you listed? FG%'s?

3) Playing next to Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, or Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, or Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett still helps Rondo out A LOT more than playing next to a rotating cast of a top-two consisting of one of Trevor Ariza, James Posey (the bad version), Carl Landry, Peja, Julian Wright, Marcus Thornton, Devin Brown, Rasual Butler...

So yeah, I'm gonna take a 'win' there. Playing on the same team as 3 HOF'ers has helped inflate Rondo's stats a bit.

Rondo stat assists stayed fairly even, his scoring jumped a bit more significantly as it should if and when one of the Big 3 goes down.

Point is, CP3 is liable to drop 30/20, he is that type of superstar.

[Celtics4ever]

He averaged 15.8 PPG and 9.9 assists per game last year.  His career highs are 42 points and 21 assists.  While it is conceivable given that he could drop 30/20 these stats show that comment is largely hyperbole.

[indeedproceed]

He averaged 15.8 PPG and 9.9 assists per game last year.  His career highs are 42 points and 21 assists.  While it is conceivable given that he could drop 30/20 these stats show that comment is largely hyperbole.

It was mean as such, clearly.

[LB3533]

He averaged 15.8 PPG and 9.9 assists per game last year.  His career highs are 42 points and 21 assists.  While it is conceivable given that he could drop 30/20 these stats show that comment is largely hyperbole.

Rondo could drop 30 assists maybe 40 assists, but I have not so much confidence he would ever drop 40 points if his life or team depended on it.

If Rondo would increase his FT% to 85, and made a large number of layups, it's possible he could score 40 points, but highly unlikely.

CP3 is a legit superstar who is capable of bring his game to a godly level.