Rondo has been angry the Celtics are shopping him

[snowball]

One more thing. There is nothing wrong with keeping
Rondo for now, with the Big 3 and postponing these
more complicated decisions.

[Celtics4ever]

It's human nature to react this way to be being shopped but it is the nature of the beast.  Danny's job is improve the Celtics and it is a businessman. 

Rondo should try to prove Danny wrong on the court.  That is the best way to silence trade rumors.

I agree Rondo needs shooters in our present scheme.   But I also think Rondo would thrive with guys who run the floor.  I think that Rondo would do well in a running game.   My reason is this he is most disruptive in transition.  He also can't shoot that well.  The half court game [dang]s us to playing 4 on 5 as other teams sag off him.   But in transition he is very good at attacking the rim.   I think JJ will really help him in this regard.   I wish our we got some guys who change tempo on another team.   

Two things hamper this from happening.  1) Big Tree
The Big Three advantage is not full running and they do best in half court sets because of their age.   While they can do well in a fast break here of there because of their  experience their age prohibits full time running.   Rondo I think would do very well in a fast break offense.   2) Rebounding.   You need to get rebounds to start the fast break.  This is a very weak point of our team.  We can't run if we don't get the ball.

Call me crazy but I think Rondo would be an even better player if he had running mates.

[CoachBo]

Things Rondo could do to avoid trade rumors in the future:

1.  Work on his attitude;

2.  Develop his jumper;

3.  Learn to hit free throws;

4.  Bring consistent effort at all times;

5.  Don't disappear for the last quarter of the season.

That's perhaps harsh, but I also think it's fair.  He's a great player, but he's not flawless.  As long as there are big holes in his game, the team will inevitably explore upgrades.

TP. That's my position on Rondo's stagnant game in its entirety.

[Inside-Out]

Things Rondo could do to avoid trade rumors in the future:

1.  Work on his attitude;

2.  Develop his jumper;

3.  Learn to hit free throws;

4.  Bring consistent effort at all times;

5.  Don't disappear for the last quarter of the season.

That's perhaps harsh, but I also think it's fair.  He's a great player, but he's not flawless.  As long as there are big holes in his game, the team will inevitably explore upgrades.

TP. That's my position on Rondo's stagnant game in its entirety.

100% agree all around.

But also, imagine what a potential disaster awaits when Rondo is surrounded by less experienced/talented players that are playing 4 on 5 in the half court and/or don't get the respect from officials that our Elder 3 get. 

Imagine his moody attitude around young players, without classy vets like Ray around to keep things smooth.

Imagine Rondo, the team's star (and perhaps future captain), at the line for a game-deciding free throw...

Now imagine Chris Paul in that role...

IMO, shooting is a necessary skill for an NBA guard.  Rondo is afraid of taking foul-line jumpers that rec leaguers take, and make, easily.  Heck, high school JV kids can't be left open at the foul line the way Rondo is...

[footey]

I think Rondo is still angry over the Perkins trade. He is too sensitive.

[PosImpos]

Could anybody who is an insider quote the salient points of this article for me?  It purports to produce numbers that show why Rondo is not a player you want to build around.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7306324&_slug_=rajon-rondo-player-build-team-nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fstory%3fid%3d7306324%26_slug_%3drajon-rondo-player-build-team-nba

[cman88]

alot of talk about how rondos ppg dipped last year...but lets not ignore the elephant in the room. Rondo battled foot injuries the whole year with his plantar (whatever its called)...hamstring injuries...last year was a very injury plagued year and could be a large part of the reason he was more reluctant to drive to the hoop as often.

Even KG said that Rondo was really hurting last year

whether you have paul or Rondo, you are going to need the talent around them to be successful. or else youll just be New Orleans Hornets. a 6th-8th seed who gets knocked out in the first round. and once you have that talent, Rondo could be just as successful as CP3..and maybe have about 6million$ extra to sign another talent with Rondo.

personally, I dont see Rondo being traded..dannys putting the feelers out there like he always does..we get these rumors every year and nothing seems to come of them. most likely our biggest move will be a sign and trade of BBD

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Here is my opinion on Rondo and this Celtic team.
Rondo is the type of PG who is first and foremost
a play creator. He needs snipers to surround him.
They have been in place as long as he's been in Boston.
What I just said is a massive understatement. Rondo's
assists exist just as much for the talents of Ray, Paul,
Kevin, as they do for his own abilities. At least as
much.
But when the Big 3 start to retire, they will have
to be replaced with 2-3 shooters of the same caliber.
Not just at SG but also at PF and SF. So, yes a team
can be built around Rondo, it's just not going to be
offensively as lethal without top-of-the-line shooting
cast to surround Rondo.
Now, when you get a PG who is also lethal with the FG,
and who's layups don't roll around the rim half the time,
the need to surround him with as many sharp shooters
declines, so you can surround that shooting PG with
a more aggressive basket-charging PF or SF.
So I am of the camp which says the Celtics will be
better served by moving him for a shooting PG, because
you want to have that variety and flexibility going
forward with your best scorers nearing retirement.
A team that will be more difficult to defend against
because the PG is also feared as a shooter.

Exactly what I said about Shaq. Everyone and their mother said Shaq played well (before the injury) because of RR's passing abilities, well who do you credit when he produced the same (better even, when it was the middle of the season and even better the season before Clev.) the season b4 Boston? I agree it becomes easier with a great/better passer but w/o the talent of the others it's nothing... ask CP3! You see how it is when the Big 3 can't take over anymore... they need RR to take over more of the offensive burden or we lose! Now, I'm one of the people that don't want CP3 (w/ a lot of thinking invested) over RR because I think (have seen) RR can produce offensive as good as CP3 (just not as consistent, obviously)... I don't know why he is inconsistent but you and I saw what he has, against Clev. a couple seasons ago! Keep RR but he has to be consistent when it is most important... they don't need much from him on offense but you gotta be able to knock it down when you are WIDE OPEN most of every game you play! The reason I take RR over CP3? He KNOWS every bit of the system like the back of his hand by now (O&D) and I think he is better on D! If it was a new system each started at the same time, you take CP3 because of his consistent scoring ability (he can take the load ANYTIME) and RR is NOT that much better than CP3 on defense (although better)!

[Moranis]

If Ainge was going to trade Rondo... you wouldn't here a single word about it.  How many people saw the Perkins trade coming?

At the same time, how many people knew Ainge was interested in KG before that trade?  (Hint:  everybody and their brother)

Wanting to get a guy you like is different than trading part of your core.

Antoine Walker was the Celtics 2nd best player on a playoff team when Ainge came in and everybody and their brother knew he wanted to move Toine.  I think it is pretty obvious the Celtics are shopping Rondo and will trade him if the right deal is presented.

[BballTim]

Here is my opinion on Rondo and this Celtic team.
Rondo is the type of PG who is first and foremost
a play creator. He needs snipers to surround him.
They have been in place as long as he's been in Boston.
What I just said is a massive understatement. Rondo's
assists exist just as much for the talents of Ray, Paul,
Kevin, as they do for his own abilities. At least as
much.

  This isn't true at all. Rondo's one of the best if not the best passer in the game. Players with lesser passing ability manage to get assists, even with lesser teammates. Much of what Ray, Paul, KG and the like do to finish off those assists is make wide open shots and alley-oops.

But when the Big 3 start to retire, they will have
to be replaced with 2-3 shooters of the same caliber.
Not just at SG but also at PF and SF. So, yes a team
can be built around Rondo, it's just not going to be
offensively as lethal without top-of-the-line shooting
cast to surround Rondo.

  Even on a team loaded with "snipers" Rondo was second in the league in assists at the rim. He's also one of the best fast break players in the league, but he's on a team of players that don't really fly up the court when he gets the ball. Teams with different makeups than what we have now could be just as lethal with Rondo at the helm.

[BballTim]

Here is my opinion on Rondo and this Celtic team.
Rondo is the type of PG who is first and foremost
a play creator. He needs snipers to surround him.
They have been in place as long as he's been in Boston.
What I just said is a massive understatement. Rondo's
assists exist just as much for the talents of Ray, Paul,
Kevin, as they do for his own abilities. At least as
much.
But when the Big 3 start to retire, they will have
to be replaced with 2-3 shooters of the same caliber.
Not just at SG but also at PF and SF. So, yes a team
can be built around Rondo, it's just not going to be
offensively as lethal without top-of-the-line shooting
cast to surround Rondo.
Now, when you get a PG who is also lethal with the FG,
and who's layups don't roll around the rim half the time,
the need to surround him with as many sharp shooters
declines, so you can surround that shooting PG with
a more aggressive basket-charging PF or SF.
So I am of the camp which says the Celtics will be
better served by moving him for a shooting PG, because
you want to have that variety and flexibility going
forward with your best scorers nearing retirement.
A team that will be more difficult to defend against
because the PG is also feared as a shooter.

Exactly what I said about Shaq. Everyone and their mother said Shaq played well (before the injury) because of RR's passing abilities, well who do you credit when he produced the same (better even, when it was the middle of the season and even better the season before Clev.) the season b4 Boston?

  Shaq's spent his entire career hitting between 56% and 61% of his shots. Last year he hit 67% of them. I'd say that Rondo had a lot to do with that.

[Inside-Out]

Here is my opinion on Rondo and this Celtic team.
Rondo is the type of PG who is first and foremost
a play creator. He needs snipers to surround him.
They have been in place as long as he's been in Boston.
What I just said is a massive understatement. Rondo's
assists exist just as much for the talents of Ray, Paul,
Kevin, as they do for his own abilities. At least as
much.
But when the Big 3 start to retire, they will have
to be replaced with 2-3 shooters of the same caliber.
Not just at SG but also at PF and SF. So, yes a team
can be built around Rondo, it's just not going to be
offensively as lethal without top-of-the-line shooting
cast to surround Rondo.
Now, when you get a PG who is also lethal with the FG,
and who's layups don't roll around the rim half the time,
the need to surround him with as many sharp shooters
declines, so you can surround that shooting PG with
a more aggressive basket-charging PF or SF.
So I am of the camp which says the Celtics will be
better served by moving him for a shooting PG, because
you want to have that variety and flexibility going
forward with your best scorers nearing retirement.
A team that will be more difficult to defend against
because the PG is also feared as a shooter.

Exactly what I said about Shaq. Everyone and their mother said Shaq played well (before the injury) because of RR's passing abilities, well who do you credit when he produced the same (better even, when it was the middle of the season and even better the season before Clev.) the season b4 Boston?

  Shaq's spent his entire career hitting between 56% and 61% of his shots. Last year he hit 67% of them. I'd say that Rondo had a lot to do with that.

His shots changed last year though, too.  Pretty much just flushing lobs. 

[BballTim]

Here is my opinion on Rondo and this Celtic team.
Rondo is the type of PG who is first and foremost
a play creator. He needs snipers to surround him.
They have been in place as long as he's been in Boston.
What I just said is a massive understatement. Rondo's
assists exist just as much for the talents of Ray, Paul,
Kevin, as they do for his own abilities. At least as
much.
But when the Big 3 start to retire, they will have
to be replaced with 2-3 shooters of the same caliber.
Not just at SG but also at PF and SF. So, yes a team
can be built around Rondo, it's just not going to be
offensively as lethal without top-of-the-line shooting
cast to surround Rondo.
Now, when you get a PG who is also lethal with the FG,
and who's layups don't roll around the rim half the time,
the need to surround him with as many sharp shooters
declines, so you can surround that shooting PG with
a more aggressive basket-charging PF or SF.
So I am of the camp which says the Celtics will be
better served by moving him for a shooting PG, because
you want to have that variety and flexibility going
forward with your best scorers nearing retirement.
A team that will be more difficult to defend against
because the PG is also feared as a shooter.

Exactly what I said about Shaq. Everyone and their mother said Shaq played well (before the injury) because of RR's passing abilities, well who do you credit when he produced the same (better even, when it was the middle of the season and even better the season before Clev.) the season b4 Boston?

  Shaq's spent his entire career hitting between 56% and 61% of his shots. Last year he hit 67% of them. I'd say that Rondo had a lot to do with that.

His shots changed last year though, too.  Pretty much just flushing lobs. 

  14% of his baskets last year were dunks, which is almost certainly a career low. But most of his shots were fairly easy, a lot of that was due to great passing and a well run offense.

[Inside-Out]

Here is my opinion on Rondo and this Celtic team.
Rondo is the type of PG who is first and foremost
a play creator. He needs snipers to surround him.
They have been in place as long as he's been in Boston.
What I just said is a massive understatement. Rondo's
assists exist just as much for the talents of Ray, Paul,
Kevin, as they do for his own abilities. At least as
much.
But when the Big 3 start to retire, they will have
to be replaced with 2-3 shooters of the same caliber.
Not just at SG but also at PF and SF. So, yes a team
can be built around Rondo, it's just not going to be
offensively as lethal without top-of-the-line shooting
cast to surround Rondo.
Now, when you get a PG who is also lethal with the FG,
and who's layups don't roll around the rim half the time,
the need to surround him with as many sharp shooters
declines, so you can surround that shooting PG with
a more aggressive basket-charging PF or SF.
So I am of the camp which says the Celtics will be
better served by moving him for a shooting PG, because
you want to have that variety and flexibility going
forward with your best scorers nearing retirement.
A team that will be more difficult to defend against
because the PG is also feared as a shooter.

Exactly what I said about Shaq. Everyone and their mother said Shaq played well (before the injury) because of RR's passing abilities, well who do you credit when he produced the same (better even, when it was the middle of the season and even better the season before Clev.) the season b4 Boston?

  Shaq's spent his entire career hitting between 56% and 61% of his shots. Last year he hit 67% of them. I'd say that Rondo had a lot to do with that.

His shots changed last year though, too.  Pretty much just flushing lobs.  

  14% of his baskets last year were dunks, which is almost certainly a career low. But most of his shots were fairly easy, a lot of that was due to great passing and a well run offense.

Perhaps for the first time in his career he was lining up on the weak side, pretty much only getting the ball when defenses cheated off him.  That makes for a higher fg%, most likely, regardless of whether he flushed or dropped it in.  Since his range is about two feet, the precise type of shot probably doesn't matter.

In any case, I don't think it takes a top 5 PG to throw lobs to a guy that's 7'2, 350lbs, with great hands, and highly favored by the officials...pretty easy target.

In other words, I don't think Rondo really deserves much credit for whatever level of success Shaq had early last year.

The credit should go to Doc, who figured out how to use Shaq effectively (without clogging the paint).  The coaches in Cle and Phx clearly did not.

[hpantazo]

I think one of the reasons Ainge is trying to trade Rondo for Paul is not just because he thinks Paul is better, it's in a large way to prevent the Knicks from being a serious roadblock for the next 7 years. We already have to deal with Miami, if the Knicks get Paul and the lakers get Dwight Howard, the celtics may as well pack it in for the next 6-7 years.