Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?

[mqtcelticsfan]

Speaking of Tebow double standards....this whole thing where Tebow is a horrid QB who can't throw a 10 yard out pass. Yet he led his team from 1-4 to the AFC West Championship and a playoff win against the Steelers.

That means...

either....

he's actually a good QB

or

these defenses he played against can't expect to stop offenses with real QBs like Stanford and Baylor, right?

I mean it's one or the other.

No. No, it's not Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing one of those two options. These arguments are so inane that I almost swear you're trolling. The Broncos were one of the absolute worst offenses in the NFL last year. To say that either Tebow is a good QB or that the other defenses are terrible is ignoring the fact that it wasn't the offense that won those games for the Broncos. It was their defense.

[Eja117]

The thing I still wonder though is how did a Penn State Nittany Lion, Celtics and Pats fan, become Tim Tebow's staunchest supporter? Serious question.

I am a human being sir!

[nickagneta]

If there was a RB who rushed for 1200 yards in his 2nd year and ran for critical 4th quarter runs to score last second touchdowns do you think people would say he was running wrong and was actually a QB? How about if he prayed publicly?

Would his team then trade him for a 36 year old RB who had 4 knee surgeries and was out of football the year before?

Exact. Same. Thing.

To make that RB the equivalent of Tebow, he'd have to have some flaw similar to Tebow's sub-50% completion percentage.  It would have to be like the RB fumbling 2 to 3 times per game or something.

Actually to make that comparison stick as Tebow as a running back the stats would be more in line of a 500 yard rushing season, a 2.2 yards per rush average, about 6 TDs rushing and the few he did get were for those game winners AND he fumbled 2-3 times a game. Know what that equals....bad running back.

[nickagneta]

Speaking of Tebow double standards....this whole thing where Tebow is a horrid QB who can't throw a 10 yard out pass. Yet he led his team from 1-4 to the AFC West Championship and a playoff win against the Steelers.

That means...

either....

he's actually a good QB

or

these defenses he played against can't expect to stop offenses with real QBs like Stanford and Baylor, right?

I mean it's one or the other.

Either he's a good QB or you just got beat by a college QB.  I think Navy runs the triple option. Can you beat them?  Navy offense and Broncos defense vs the Steelers. What should happen?

Remember when you could just line up against Ryan Leaf and win? Despite Ryan having all these NFL tools?  That just doesn't happen with Tim Tebow.

Perhaps we've reached a golden era of terrible NFL defenses that can't stop college QBs. They definitely let all the other QBs put up video game numbers

Trent Dilfer, a horrible quarterback won a SuperBowl. Bad QBs can win NFL games. It doesn't make them good quarterbacks.

I mean its the equivalent of pulling up at a red light next to Jimmie Johnson or Dale Earnhardt Jr., revving the engine and then beating him to the next red light and claiming I'm a great Nascar driver.

It like challenging Rajon Rondo to a free throw shooting contest and beating him and claiming I should be an NBA All-Star.

If you are a bad QB you can still win an NFL game if your defense is good, your offensive line is good, if the other team has a bad day or has major players injured, and you play out of your mind well for a game. Or maybe even just a few minutes.

Winning the game doesn't make you good. It just means your team won.

[Donoghus]

If there was a RB who rushed for 1200 yards in his 2nd year and ran for critical 4th quarter runs to score last second touchdowns do you think people would say he was running wrong and was actually a QB? How about if he prayed publicly?

Would his team then trade him for a 36 year old RB who had 4 knee surgeries and was out of football the year before?

Exact. Same. Thing.

To make that RB the equivalent of Tebow, he'd have to have some flaw similar to Tebow's sub-50% completion percentage.  It would have to be like the RB fumbling 2 to 3 times per game or something.

Actually to make that comparison stick as Tebow as a running back the stats would be more in line of a 500 yard rushing season, a 2.2 yards per rush average, about 6 TDs rushing and the few he did get were for those game winners AND he fumbled 2-3 times a game. Know what that equals....bad running back.

Certainly not a starter by NFL standards.

[Eja117]

Speaking of Tebow double standards....this whole thing where Tebow is a horrid QB who can't throw a 10 yard out pass. Yet he led his team from 1-4 to the AFC West Championship and a playoff win against the Steelers.

That means...

either....

he's actually a good QB

or

these defenses he played against can't expect to stop offenses with real QBs like Stanford and Baylor, right?

I mean it's one or the other.

Either he's a good QB or you just got beat by a college QB.  I think Navy runs the triple option. Can you beat them?  Navy offense and Broncos defense vs the Steelers. What should happen?

Remember when you could just line up against Ryan Leaf and win? Despite Ryan having all these NFL tools?  That just doesn't happen with Tim Tebow.

Perhaps we've reached a golden era of terrible NFL defenses that can't stop college QBs. They definitely let all the other QBs put up video game numbers

Trent Dilfer, a horrible quarterback won a SuperBowl. Bad QBs can win NFL games. It doesn't make them good quarterbacks.

I mean its the equivalent of pulling up at a red light next to Jimmie Johnson or Dale Earnhardt Jr., revving the engine and then beating him to the next red light and claiming I'm a great Nascar driver.

It like challenging Rajon Rondo to a free throw shooting contest and beating him and claiming I should be an NBA All-Star.

If you are a bad QB you can still win an NFL game if your defense is good, your offensive line is good, if the other team has a bad day or has major players injured, and you play out of your mind well for a game. Or maybe even just a few minutes.

Winning the game doesn't make you good. It just means your team won.

Yeah, but he didn't win "a game" because he played out of his mind for "a game or maybe even a few minutes".
He took over a 1-4 team and led it to a playoff win.

Dilfer went to the Pro Bowl that year. Then they got rid of him and never went back to the Super Bowl.  Dumb move by the Ravens. Super Dumb.

[Eja117]

If there was a RB who rushed for 1200 yards in his 2nd year and ran for critical 4th quarter runs to score last second touchdowns do you think people would say he was running wrong and was actually a QB? How about if he prayed publicly?

Would his team then trade him for a 36 year old RB who had 4 knee surgeries and was out of football the year before?

Exact. Same. Thing.

To make that RB the equivalent of Tebow, he'd have to have some flaw similar to Tebow's sub-50% completion percentage.  It would have to be like the RB fumbling 2 to 3 times per game or something.

Actually to make that comparison stick as Tebow as a running back the stats would be more in line of a 500 yard rushing season, a 2.2 yards per rush average, about 6 TDs rushing and the few he did get were for those game winners AND he fumbled 2-3 times a game. Know what that equals....bad running back.

Does said running back take over as starter of a 1-4 team and then have all these problems but goes for like 90 yards in the fourth quarter 8 or 9 times and then goes for like 500 yards in a playoff game to beat the Steelers?  That would be a pretty good running back, right?

I'm trying to understand how a 1-4 team demoted their averagish starting QB, then inserted a bad one, then went on a tear, and it's due to smoke and mirrors. Why couldn't the better QB go on a tear or play out of his mind? Why couldn't Philip Rivers that year? He was in the AFC west. Why couldn't Jason Campbell or Carson Palmer or Matt Cassel? Why couldn't Brady Quin beat out such a horrid QB and then maybe he could have? All these QBs getting unlucky and a terrible QB getting very lucky.

Maybe it's like walking up to Husain Bolt and asking him to race and beating him. Anybody can do it. You just gotta run out of your mind for a few seconds. Anybody except all these other QBs and pretty soon Mark Sanchez and Drew Stanton.

[Fafnir]

Eja117 do you not believe in luck?

Because luck, aka randomness, explains an awful lot of what Tebow accomplished last year. The rest is in his avoidance of turnovers and an increased amount of running plays reducing the possessions in the game. (the worse your offense is the less possessions you want in a game)

[Eja117]

Eja117 do you not believe in luck?

Because luck, aka randomness, explains an awful lot of what Tebow accomplished last year. The rest is in his avoidance of turnovers and an increased amount of running plays reducing the possessions in the game. (the worse your offense is the less possessions you want in a game)

I believe weird things happen and thought there might be something divine going on, but in Tebow's case no. To me luck is more like throwing a lob to Christian Laetner at the last second and having it swish after he goes like 18-18 and 14-14 at the line. You can't reproduce that.

But for a guy who is one of the best college players ever to take over a 1-4 team and lead it to win after win after win, and have guys saying they want to play harder for him, then no. No I don't believe that is luck.

I believe there are good circumstances. You could say Tebow is lucky to play in a weak division and where the air is so thin a 59 yarder is no big deal to his kicker.

I believe guys can have a good year.  But basically no. I don't ever find myself saying "That guy just had a lucky year".

I also believe in fairness. They took away passing plays from him and gave him more running plays because he runs better than he passes. Manning gets a lot more passing plays than running plays because he is a better passer. I don't feel that that makes Manning the better QB (assuming the same number of total yards and wins and whatnot), because I think it's ok for a QB to run. 

I admit if they let a RB pass a lot and he was successful at it a lot, but was a terrible runner I have no idea what I would say. I guess I'd say he was a good running back if his team were losing, then all of a sudden was winning. Weird, but good.

[Moranis]

Speaking of Tebow double standards....this whole thing where Tebow is a horrid QB who can't throw a 10 yard out pass. Yet he led his team from 1-4 to the AFC West Championship and a playoff win against the Steelers.

That means...

either....

he's actually a good QB

or

these defenses he played against can't expect to stop offenses with real QBs like Stanford and Baylor, right?

I mean it's one or the other.

Either he's a good QB or you just got beat by a college QB.  I think Navy runs the triple option. Can you beat them?  Navy offense and Broncos defense vs the Steelers. What should happen?

Remember when you could just line up against Ryan Leaf and win? Despite Ryan having all these NFL tools?  That just doesn't happen with Tim Tebow.

Perhaps we've reached a golden era of terrible NFL defenses that can't stop college QBs. They definitely let all the other QBs put up video game numbers

Trent Dilfer, a horrible quarterback won a SuperBowl. Bad QBs can win NFL games. It doesn't make them good quarterbacks.

I mean its the equivalent of pulling up at a red light next to Jimmie Johnson or Dale Earnhardt Jr., revving the engine and then beating him to the next red light and claiming I'm a great Nascar driver.

It like challenging Rajon Rondo to a free throw shooting contest and beating him and claiming I should be an NBA All-Star.

If you are a bad QB you can still win an NFL game if your defense is good, your offensive line is good, if the other team has a bad day or has major players injured, and you play out of your mind well for a game. Or maybe even just a few minutes.

Winning the game doesn't make you good. It just means your team won.

Yeah, but he didn't win "a game" because he played out of his mind for "a game or maybe even a few minutes".
He took over a 1-4 team and led it to a playoff win.

Dilfer went to the Pro Bowl that year. Then they got rid of him and never went back to the Super Bowl.  Dumb move by the Ravens. Super Dumb.

Dilfer did not go to the Pro Bowl in Baltimore. 

[Moranis]

If there was a RB who rushed for 1200 yards in his 2nd year and ran for critical 4th quarter runs to score last second touchdowns do you think people would say he was running wrong and was actually a QB? How about if he prayed publicly?

Would his team then trade him for a 36 year old RB who had 4 knee surgeries and was out of football the year before?

Exact. Same. Thing.

To make that RB the equivalent of Tebow, he'd have to have some flaw similar to Tebow's sub-50% completion percentage.  It would have to be like the RB fumbling 2 to 3 times per game or something.

Actually to make that comparison stick as Tebow as a running back the stats would be more in line of a 500 yard rushing season, a 2.2 yards per rush average, about 6 TDs rushing and the few he did get were for those game winners AND he fumbled 2-3 times a game. Know what that equals....bad running back.

Does said running back take over as starter of a 1-4 team and then have all these problems but goes for like 90 yards in the fourth quarter 8 or 9 times and then goes for like 500 yards in a playoff game to beat the Steelers?  That would be a pretty good running back, right?

I'm trying to understand how a 1-4 team demoted their averagish starting QB, then inserted a bad one, then went on a tear, and it's due to smoke and mirrors. Why couldn't the better QB go on a tear or play out of his mind? Why couldn't Philip Rivers that year? He was in the AFC west. Why couldn't Jason Campbell or Carson Palmer or Matt Cassel? Why couldn't Brady Quin beat out such a horrid QB and then maybe he could have? All these QBs getting unlucky and a terrible QB getting very lucky.

Maybe it's like walking up to Husain Bolt and asking him to race and beating him. Anybody can do it. You just gotta run out of your mind for a few seconds. Anybody except all these other QBs and pretty soon Mark Sanchez and Drew Stanton.

The Broncos were 1-4, but aside from the Green Bay game, barely lost the other three games (combined total of 11 points) all to teams with .500 or better final records (and they beat Cincinnati who was in the playoffs).  They then, for the most part, played weak teams or rematches and won very close games.  The result easily could have been the same with Orton, and perhaps they don't flame out and lose the last 3 games and almost miss the playoffs.  Schedule in the NFL plays a huge role in results. 

[Eja117]

Speaking of Tebow double standards....this whole thing where Tebow is a horrid QB who can't throw a 10 yard out pass. Yet he led his team from 1-4 to the AFC West Championship and a playoff win against the Steelers.

That means...

either....

he's actually a good QB

or

these defenses he played against can't expect to stop offenses with real QBs like Stanford and Baylor, right?

I mean it's one or the other.

Either he's a good QB or you just got beat by a college QB.  I think Navy runs the triple option. Can you beat them?  Navy offense and Broncos defense vs the Steelers. What should happen?

Remember when you could just line up against Ryan Leaf and win? Despite Ryan having all these NFL tools?  That just doesn't happen with Tim Tebow.

Perhaps we've reached a golden era of terrible NFL defenses that can't stop college QBs. They definitely let all the other QBs put up video game numbers

Trent Dilfer, a horrible quarterback won a SuperBowl. Bad QBs can win NFL games. It doesn't make them good quarterbacks.

I mean its the equivalent of pulling up at a red light next to Jimmie Johnson or Dale Earnhardt Jr., revving the engine and then beating him to the next red light and claiming I'm a great Nascar driver.

It like challenging Rajon Rondo to a free throw shooting contest and beating him and claiming I should be an NBA All-Star.

If you are a bad QB you can still win an NFL game if your defense is good, your offensive line is good, if the other team has a bad day or has major players injured, and you play out of your mind well for a game. Or maybe even just a few minutes.

Winning the game doesn't make you good. It just means your team won.

Yeah, but he didn't win "a game" because he played out of his mind for "a game or maybe even a few minutes".
He took over a 1-4 team and led it to a playoff win.

Dilfer went to the Pro Bowl that year. Then they got rid of him and never went back to the Super Bowl.  Dumb move by the Ravens. Super Dumb.

Dilfer did not go to the Pro Bowl in Baltimore. 

Right. He went in 1997 with the Bucs. Not sure it matters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL4y-5gS1-E

Rod Woodson at about the 2:30 mark....with Trent we don't win the Super Bowl

[Eja117]

If there was a RB who rushed for 1200 yards in his 2nd year and ran for critical 4th quarter runs to score last second touchdowns do you think people would say he was running wrong and was actually a QB? How about if he prayed publicly?

Would his team then trade him for a 36 year old RB who had 4 knee surgeries and was out of football the year before?

Exact. Same. Thing.

To make that RB the equivalent of Tebow, he'd have to have some flaw similar to Tebow's sub-50% completion percentage.  It would have to be like the RB fumbling 2 to 3 times per game or something.

Actually to make that comparison stick as Tebow as a running back the stats would be more in line of a 500 yard rushing season, a 2.2 yards per rush average, about 6 TDs rushing and the few he did get were for those game winners AND he fumbled 2-3 times a game. Know what that equals....bad running back.

Does said running back take over as starter of a 1-4 team and then have all these problems but goes for like 90 yards in the fourth quarter 8 or 9 times and then goes for like 500 yards in a playoff game to beat the Steelers?  That would be a pretty good running back, right?

I'm trying to understand how a 1-4 team demoted their averagish starting QB, then inserted a bad one, then went on a tear, and it's due to smoke and mirrors. Why couldn't the better QB go on a tear or play out of his mind? Why couldn't Philip Rivers that year? He was in the AFC west. Why couldn't Jason Campbell or Carson Palmer or Matt Cassel? Why couldn't Brady Quin beat out such a horrid QB and then maybe he could have? All these QBs getting unlucky and a terrible QB getting very lucky.

Maybe it's like walking up to Husain Bolt and asking him to race and beating him. Anybody can do it. You just gotta run out of your mind for a few seconds. Anybody except all these other QBs and pretty soon Mark Sanchez and Drew Stanton.

The Broncos were 1-4, but aside from the Green Bay game, barely lost the other three games (combined total of 11 points) all to teams with .500 or better final records (and they beat Cincinnati who was in the playoffs).  They then, for the most part, played weak teams or rematches and won very close games.  The result easily could have been the same with Orton, and perhaps they don't flame out and lose the last 3 games and almost miss the playoffs.  Schedule in the NFL plays a huge role in results. 

True but Orton went 3-10 with the Broncs the year before.

[indeedproceed]

Tim Tebow: Excited.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNcMFohJkbs

[Eja117]

Top ten signs you might have jumped too far on the Tebow train

1. You start insisting Skip Bayless is very intelligent and an excellent sports analyst

2. You insist you have always felt this way about Skip Bayless

3. You start smiling more for no reason, buy a virginity bracelet, and start saying "exciting" whereas you used to say "f---ing awesome"

4. You start referring as anything bad that happens as "a blessing"

5. You insist any football team automatically gets better just by his presence

6. You're heterosexual but have a gay dream about him, or you are homosexual and dream of him with a girl. Or you're a lesbian and refer to him as cute or very attractive

7. You add Makati City in the Philippines as a candidate for your next vacation

8. You always supported public schools, but lately you've been extolling the virtues of home schooling

9. You bought a lot of Florida Gators gear despite living nowhere near Florida or having anything to do with the place

10. You jumped for joy when you heard he wouldn't date Kim Kardashian and was dating Taylor Swift. Well if you don't feel that way then you don't have a pulse.