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Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?

Yes, for him, because he's a Jesus guy
15 (26.3%)
Yes, against him, because he's a Jesus guy
13 (22.8%)
No. He's being treated fairly
7 (12.3%)
Yes,against him, because he was drafted high
2 (3.5%)
Yes against him, because he's making NFL types and talent evaluators look dumb.
2 (3.5%)
Yes, for him, because he's an underdog breaking the rules
8 (14%)
Other - explain
2 (3.5%)
Tebow defies all explanation. Don't even try.
8 (14%)

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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #150 on: January 15, 2012, 03:24:39 AM »

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One double standard is that everything he does is like a stock market overreaction no matter what.

OOOOOHHHHH my God! He won a game! OOOOOOHHHHH my God he lost a game!  Oooohhhhhh my God! He praised Jesus!  OOOOOOOHhhhhh my God! He pointed to the sky! OOOOHhhhhhh my God! He gave credit to his teammates! 

Imagine if he did something really out of the norm like say...I don't know...got arrested or something. Where do you go from 24/7 coverage? A reality show focusing on his family is the only next logical step. And a 24/7 web cam

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« Reply #151 on: January 15, 2012, 05:43:45 AM »

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Not into football, don't know much about this guy, but came here to post this article I read earlier today:
http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if_tim_tebow_were_muslim/
That really is a valid point. I immediately thought of Chris Jackson when I saw the title.

I really don't see Tebow as anything special morally. It seems to me that it is a minority of QBs in the league that seem to generate negative non-sports headlines. I fail to see how Tebow separates himself on that account. We don't hear people praising John Beck for giving up 2 years as a Mormon missionary. Beck did what he perceived as his religious obligations in a way that seems much more dignified than Tebow with his eye verses.

Nevertheless, Tebow has been entertaining to watch -- and I rarely watch football. The team's offense is so odd and erratic and their games have been pretty dramatic. The media is just doing what they usually do -- run the stories that people want to read. While a part of me wants him to fail for being so annoying in college, another part appreciates players that are different from the norm such as a QB who may be a better FB. He is not the first good running QB, but he may be an all-time worst throwing QB.

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« Reply #152 on: January 15, 2012, 08:59:16 AM »

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He seems like a good kid to me.   Really he did quite well for someone who was labeled as a bust/enigma as a draft pick.  He is a football player albeit one without a position but he showed he has a place in this league.

Question is did he convince Elway?

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« Reply #153 on: January 15, 2012, 09:55:06 AM »

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He seems like a good kid to me.   Really he did quite well for someone who was labeled as a bust/enigma as a draft pick.  He is a football player albeit one without a position but he showed he has a place in this league.

Question is did he convince Elway?

didnt know convincing elway was part of his agenda
 

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« Reply #154 on: January 15, 2012, 10:26:28 AM »

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He seems like a good kid to me.   Really he did quite well for someone who was labeled as a bust/enigma as a draft pick.  He is a football player albeit one without a position but he showed he has a place in this league.

Question is did he convince Elway?

didnt know convincing elway was part of his agenda
 

It  matters, cause Elway decides if the team should commit to building around him moving forward or not.
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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #155 on: January 15, 2012, 10:29:31 AM »

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One observation: Except for the circumstance when an all-time great is playing/has played what seems to be their last game, I have never seen the cameras and commentators try to constantly apologize/excuse an awful awful performance on the field.

The whole 4th quarter coverage consisted of total excuse making for Tebow by the announcers, including at one point pre-emptively saying something like "people are going to point to this game and say he can't play, and that's an overreaction..." (as if pointing to games where he flat out sucks but the Defense/Field Goal Kicker win it and then saying "Tebow just wins" is not an overreaction).

Further fawning statements about how much "adversity" he's overcome and how he'll thrive on this (I'd say his "adversity" qualifies greatly as "first world adversity." Born to a white middle class family, his adversities were: playing high school football for a team that previously was not that great and leading them to a state title. Winning the heisman, then hearing some people say "he's a great athlete, but I don't think he'll be an elite franchise quarterback, but he's still worth a flyer in the first 2 rounds," followed by being drafted in the first round. Then being faced with the adversity of having to beat out Kyle Orton for starting QB privileges. Followed by a period of him receiving a free pass for how awful he played but all the credit whenever he played poor, okay or well and the Team won because of our weird sports cultural logic derived from the equation "Great QBs win games, ergo anytime a team wins a game, the team must have a Great QB" despite, you know, the fifty other players on the roster contributing. Yep, Adversity!! I'm pretty sure 70% of the NFL at least (that's a conservative estimate) has faced much tougher and daunting personal adversity in their path to the NFL, as well as much less free praise, much less public credit for a team effort, and much narrower margin of error to keep their roster spots than Mr. Tebow.

Continuing the observation with which I started after the game there were not only reporters all around Tebow (again, haven't seen this unless the losing qb is an all-time great about to retire, or it was an intense close game with great effort by a losing but great qb), but the CBS broadcast cameras also continued to follow him around, with the winning qb (a legend who had just broken the record for most same coach-qb combination playoff games, set a personal record for playoff passing yards, broken the record for first half TDs and tied the record for TDs in a game) almost completely ignored!

Objectively, this is only due to an insane double standard or obvious media favortism and nothing else.

Personally, I loved it because Brady and the Pat play better when p.o'd and I'd love to see that focus and attitude brought to the rest of the playoffs.

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« Reply #156 on: January 15, 2012, 10:56:40 AM »

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didnt know convincing elway was part of his agenda


On January 5, 2011, Elway was named executive vice president of football operations of the Denver Broncos. In this capacity, he reports to Joe Ellis (team president) and oversees both the General Manager (Brian Xanders) and head coach John Fox.[31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway

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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #157 on: January 15, 2012, 12:24:26 PM »

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One observation: Except for the circumstance when an all-time great is playing/has played what seems to be their last game, I have never seen the cameras and commentators try to constantly apologize/excuse an awful awful performance on the field.

The whole 4th quarter coverage consisted of total excuse making for Tebow by the announcers, including at one point pre-emptively saying something like "people are going to point to this game and say he can't play, and that's an overreaction..." (as if pointing to games where he flat out sucks but the Defense/Field Goal Kicker win it and then saying "Tebow just wins" is not an overreaction).

Further fawning statements about how much "adversity" he's overcome and how he'll thrive on this (I'd say his "adversity" qualifies greatly as "first world adversity." Born to a white middle class family, his adversities were: playing high school football for a team that previously was not that great and leading them to a state title. Winning the heisman, then hearing some people say "he's a great athlete, but I don't think he'll be an elite franchise quarterback, but he's still worth a flyer in the first 2 rounds," followed by being drafted in the first round. Then being faced with the adversity of having to beat out Kyle Orton for starting QB privileges. Followed by a period of him receiving a free pass for how awful he played but all the credit whenever he played poor, okay or well and the Team won because of our weird sports cultural logic derived from the equation "Great QBs win games, ergo anytime a team wins a game, the team must have a Great QB" despite, you know, the fifty other players on the roster contributing. Yep, Adversity!! I'm pretty sure 70% of the NFL at least (that's a conservative estimate) has faced much tougher and daunting personal adversity in their path to the NFL, as well as much less free praise, much less public credit for a team effort, and much narrower margin of error to keep their roster spots than Mr. Tebow.

Continuing the observation with which I started after the game there were not only reporters all around Tebow (again, haven't seen this unless the losing qb is an all-time great about to retire, or it was an intense close game with great effort by a losing but great qb), but the CBS broadcast cameras also continued to follow him around, with the winning qb (a legend who had just broken the record for most same coach-qb combination playoff games, set a personal record for playoff passing yards, broken the record for first half TDs and tied the record for TDs in a game) almost completely ignored!

Objectively, this is only due to an insane double standard or obvious media favortism and nothing else.

Personally, I loved it because Brady and the Pat play better when p.o'd and I'd love to see that focus and attitude brought to the rest of the playoffs.
Gotta say that I was watching the game with three people who absolutely love Tebow and they were all saying the same thing about the cameras following him around after the game. They were flabbergasted that the cameras were surrounding Tebow trying to get his reaction yet Brady was running all over the field with apparently only the CBS camera crew focusing on Brady.

Brady just had one of the greatest passing games in NFL playoff history and Tebow just stunk the place up yet the cameras were hounding Tebow looking for his reaction and no one was near Brady.

The media love for this guy is unreal and how his fans can't see the double standard he receives in love from the media is astounding.

When I got home I missed the first 10 minutes of Sportscenter. Waited 20 minutes until the bottom of the hour for them to recover the Pats/Broncos playoff game. The coverage consisted of 15 seconds of video saying the Patriots won followed by a 4 minute montage chronicling the "miraculous" and "awesome" season of Tim Tebow.

Unbelievable!!!! But people think that the media hates him. The media LOVES the guy. The only people who hate him don't actually hate him. They are just football analysts who's job it is to judge players and their ability and they probably did a pretty fair job of critiquing him.

BTW, I was saying all year that Tebow as a long term QB in this league would never last. yesterday's Patriots game plan was a perfect example of why.

The Pats do not have a good defense but every NFL coach, given time, can devise a scheme to stop the option. Yesterday Belichick brought a safety up and went to a modified 4-4/5-3 front with a safety deep and man coverage on the outside. The DEs were to run upfield containment on the QB, the OLB were to run upfield containment on the RBs,  and everything would be funneled to the DTs and inside linebackers and safety playing up. They stayed in that base all day, never went situational and just had the base close in from all sides on the passing plays with no blitz packages.

Worked to perfection. And its basically the same defense used in college ball to stop the option.

And the Pats offense did what it had to. Put an option offense in the hole and the game is over. They are a mess if they have to do anything else and they tend to lose bad an be unable to come from behind.

Fox and Elway know the NFL over the last 10 years has done everything to protect the QB, cause receivers to get more open with less contact on them and made the league a passing league. An option offense will not work in this league long term.

Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #158 on: January 17, 2012, 03:47:39 PM »

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An original Tim Tebow joke brought to you by.....eja...let me work through it before I unleash it to facebook



Jesus was with an adultress and said to the crowd "Let he without sin cast the first stone"

A stone flew from the crowd immediately,  but landed about 30 feet away.

"Who was that?" asked Jesus.

From the back came a voice "It was me! Tim Tebow"

"Oh thank me" said Jesus. "That makes perfect sense"

"Can I have another chance Jesus!"

"Nope. We're going to be long gone before the 4th quarter Tim. Next time"


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« Reply #159 on: January 17, 2012, 04:03:35 PM »

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An original Tim Tebow joke brought to you by.....eja...let me work through it before I unleash it to facebook



Jesus was with an adultress and said to the crowd "Let he without sin cast the first stone"

A stone flew from the crowd immediately,  but landed about 30 feet away.

"Who was that?" asked Jesus.

From the back came a voice "It was me! Tim Tebow"

"Oh thank me" said Jesus. "That makes perfect sense"

"Can I have another chance Jesus!"

"Nope. We're going to be long gone before the 4th quarter Tim. Next time"


End it at "It's me Tim Tebow!" and its a lot funnier.

Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #160 on: January 17, 2012, 04:08:01 PM »

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Jesus was with an adultress and said to the crowd "Let he without sin cast the first stone"

A stone flew from the crowd immediately,  but landed about 30 feet away.

"Who was that?" asked Jesus.

From the back came a voice "It was me! Tim Tebow"

"Oh thank me" said Jesus. "That makes perfect sense"

"Can I have another chance Jesus!"

"Nope. We're going to be long gone before the 4th quarter Tim. Next time"


End it at "It's me Tim Tebow!" and its a lot funnier.
I was thinking after makes perfect sense.  You may be right.

Hey everyone....is nick right?  Actually I'm starting to think you're right

I kinda wish there was a way to work in Skip Bayless, but I don't think there is
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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
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Tim Tebow fans remind me of those creepy Twilight saga fans.

Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #162 on: January 17, 2012, 06:26:27 PM »

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Jesus was with an adultress and said to the crowd "Let he without sin cast the first stone"

A stone flew from the crowd immediately,  but landed about 30 feet away.

"Who was that?" asked Jesus.

From the back came a voice "It was me! Tim Tebow"

"Oh thank me" said Jesus. "That makes perfect sense"

"Can I have another chance Jesus!"

"Nope. We're going to be long gone before the 4th quarter Tim. Next time"


End it at "It's me Tim Tebow!" and its a lot funnier.
I was thinking after makes perfect sense.  You may be right.

Hey everyone....is nick right?  Actually I'm starting to think you're right

I kinda wish there was a way to work in Skip Bayless, but I don't think there is
And while you're at it, you should probably stick to the actual biblical story, which was about a woman accused of adultery that was brought before Christ (not Christ himself).
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« Reply #163 on: January 17, 2012, 07:55:10 PM »

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Tim Tebow fans remind me of those creepy Twilight saga fans.
Oh come on. We're way worse than that. I actually love Skip Bayless now

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