Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?

[ctrey]

My main question was what if a Muslim QB who was a carbon copy of Tebow in every respect except the particular faith they have.

My guess is that the Muslim QB would not see the love and adulation that Tebow gets.

I can just hear Beck, O'Reilly and self-called football "Expert" Limbaugh losing it after every victory and gloating like a Bond villian after each loss.

[GreenFaith1819]

Kozlo - I see your point.

I do know that in life we all take stands on things. With Tebow, he is certainly no different.

I am sure that to him, his faith is what sustains him..it is what makes him a better person, and strive to be such. His faith has allowed miracles in his life, and I'm sure it's helping him to deal with his own personal struggles, whatever they may be.

With his Faith, comes the price. This "Price" is based off of what his faith stands for. For me and others of faith, this comes with the territory, so to speak.

So a question I have is: Do we want our athletes to be quiet about their faith? Do their "sometimes outspoken" views coincide or clash with others?

Or - do we suppress these same outspoken feelings about our faith - even if we NEED this prayer and faith and mindset to get us through our jobs, as some soldiers do here in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9WXUlERHKc

So...for the soldiers in the video that were praying - this is "technically" a "separating of Church and State" issue, right?

These soldiers shouldn't pray - because they wear the uniform of the United States Military? Or - do they pray....simply because they want God to get them through their own struggles and to keep them and their squadmates alive?

Everyone of us takes a stand at one point or another in our lives. Tim Tebow, is no different. Whether that "stand" is in line with other's beliefs or worldview is the key - in that whether or not someone believes as you do - there is respect for one another at the end of the day.

For ctrey - I thought that I had answered you before in the thread, in that with your scenario that Muslim QB would get the same treatment as Tebow - as long as he had DEN in the same spot as Tebow does.

I think your mindset, if I'm not mistaken, is that those of the Muslim faith are not tolerated in this country. I can agree with that mindset a few years ago. However, I see this country as being more tolerant of others than before.

But if you believe like you do, then I respect your thoughts. But I just don't agree with it.

[kozlodoev]

Look, Tim Tebow's faith is Tim Tebow's business, not mine. But when he shows up on national TV doing his little spiel after every game, he effectively puts himself in the same basket with Mormon preachers who knock on people's doors with a pile of pocket Bibles. Which I guess explains my particular distaste for him.

I'm not sure how I feel about the issue overall, since there isn't a good way to curb religious propaganda while observing basic freedom of speech, so I guess I'll leave it at that.

[SHAQATTACK]

Don't be so thin skinned .  And don't dwell on such small antics like Tebows faith...thats his business.  If you don't like it don't watch is the answer.

[nickagneta]

I want to see the collective faces of Tebow's fans when Denver drafts a QB somewhere in the first three rounds of the draft. I am absolutely going to laugh my butt off seeing the reaction of Tebow fans.

Nick Foles would be a perfect fit in Denver and is exactly the type of QB that both John Elway and John Fox love. Big, tall, pocket passer, good pocket sense and mobility, strong arm, excellent accuracy short and decent accuracy mid and long, quick release. His one downfall is he does exactly what Tebow does. He locks onto one receiver and doesn't go through his progressions.

Why am I saying this in this thread? Because it is my belief that Tebow is getting excellent treatment from the media given what he has accomplished on the field and when his own team starts looking for a long term replacement for him, WHICH WILL HAPPEN THIS OFF SEASON, that will show people, there's no double standard against Tebow. He just isn't that good and not a long term solution for any NFL team at QB.

Don't know how good his hands are but I think he would make an unbelievable H-back/TE in the mold of Aaron Hernandez. With his size, speed, elusiveness, and difficulty to tackle, getting him in the open field against a LB or CB would be a weapon any NFL team would love to have.

Imagine Denver trading for Peyton Manning, converting Tebow to H-back, and still having Decker and Thomas to throw to. Suddenly Denver's offense becomes Top 10 in the league.

[Eja117]

Apparently Katy Perry's parents want her to date Tebow.

Tebow won't be dating a divorce' who was kicked off Sesame Street for inappropriate clothes

[Eja117]

Look, Tim Tebow's faith is Tim Tebow's business, not mine. But when he shows up on national TV doing his little spiel after every game, he effectively puts himself in the same basket with Mormon preachers who knock on people's doors with a pile of pocket Bibles. Which I guess explains my particular distaste for him.

I'm not sure how I feel about the issue overall, since there isn't a good way to curb religious propaganda while observing basic freedom of speech, so I guess I'll leave it at that.

So if Ray Allen or Rondo or Pierce or KG praised God and pointed to the sky would you have distaste for them? Do you have distaste for the players that show off their tattooed biceps and stare down people and refer to themselves in 3rd person and pat their chests and pull on their jerseys and throw powder in the sky as a messiahish character (Lebron)?

Eja has distaste for self-worship and all these other things but overlooks KG's absurd powder slapping and self hyping.

[GreenFaith1819]

Imagine Denver trading for Peyton Manning, converting Tebow to H-back, and still having Decker and Thomas to throw to. Suddenly Denver's offense becomes Top 10 in the league.

Didn't need to be Top Ten offense last Sunday.....

[vvps]

Because it is my belief that Tebow is getting excellent treatment from the media

  It is my belief that that is a cool story, bro.


Athletes and even coaches from other sports can see the undue hate this kid gets.

The guy wins. If he was an a--hole, he'd tell everyone to kiss his ass.

http://youtu.be/H6pu4-0EK1w

I love to see what a guy can do when his back is up against the wall and everybody counts him out....I can relate to him a lot. I see how the media plays it sometimes and how the critics go at him. To see him prove them wrong ... he continues to stay positive and move forward. You respect that.

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2012/01/video-lebron-james-and-dwyane-wade-discuss-tim-tebow/27706/

I’d like to start this off by saying, to all you Tebow haters: "Take that."

That’s right, that’s right. For all you guys, all of those expert analysts out there who say he can’t do this and can’t pass, can’t run a pro offense, take that.

It just amazes me how the guy wins games, but everybody just kills the guy. I’m sure they’ll find a way to say bad things about this one, too, but he’s going and he’s playing again next week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35199/alvin-gentry-has-tim-tebows-back



But go ahead, keep pretending that he's someone who's loved by the media talking heads. Continue this little propagandist crusade that you're on.  It's cute.

[kgiessler]

Because it is my belief that Tebow is getting excellent treatment from the media

  It is my belief that that is a cool story, bro.


Athletes and even coaches from other sports can see the undue hate this kid gets.

The guy wins. If he was an a--hole, he'd tell everyone to kiss his ass.

http://youtu.be/H6pu4-0EK1w

I love to see what a guy can do when his back is up against the wall and everybody counts him out....I can relate to him a lot. I see how the media plays it sometimes and how the critics go at him. To see him prove them wrong ... he continues to stay positive and move forward. You respect that.

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2012/01/video-lebron-james-and-dwyane-wade-discuss-tim-tebow/27706/

I’d like to start this off by saying, to all you Tebow haters: "Take that."

That’s right, that’s right. For all you guys, all of those expert analysts out there who say he can’t do this and can’t pass, can’t run a pro offense, take that.

It just amazes me how the guy wins games, but everybody just kills the guy. I’m sure they’ll find a way to say bad things about this one, too, but he’s going and he’s playing again next week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35199/alvin-gentry-has-tim-tebows-back



But go ahead, keep pretending that he's someone who's loved by the media talking heads. Continue this little propagandist crusade that you're on.  It's cute.

So your evidence that the the media doesn't like him includes two quotes from popular media about how great he is?

You were either being sarcastic and it wasn't obvious, or something doesn't make sense here.

[kgiessler]

Not into football, don't know much about this guy, but came here to post this article I read earlier today:
http://www.salon.com/2012/01/12/what_if_tim_tebow_were_muslim/

[nickagneta]

Because it is my belief that Tebow is getting excellent treatment from the media

 It is my belief that that is a cool story, bro.


Athletes and even coaches from other sports can see the undue hate this kid gets.

The guy wins. If he was an a--hole, he'd tell everyone to kiss his ass.

http://youtu.be/H6pu4-0EK1w

I love to see what a guy can do when his back is up against the wall and everybody counts him out....I can relate to him a lot. I see how the media plays it sometimes and how the critics go at him. To see him prove them wrong ... he continues to stay positive and move forward. You respect that.

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2012/01/video-lebron-james-and-dwyane-wade-discuss-tim-tebow/27706/

I’d like to start this off by saying, to all you Tebow haters: "Take that."

That’s right, that’s right. For all you guys, all of those expert analysts out there who say he can’t do this and can’t pass, can’t run a pro offense, take that.

It just amazes me how the guy wins games, but everybody just kills the guy. I’m sure they’ll find a way to say bad things about this one, too, but he’s going and he’s playing again next week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35199/alvin-gentry-has-tim-tebows-back



But go ahead, keep pretending that he's someone who's loved by the media talking heads. Continue this little propagandist crusade that you're on.  It's cute.

Name me another QB in the last 30 years who was on a .500 team, who's QB statistics were amongst the worst in the league but who made the cover of several famous sports magazines, was headlining ESPN every night for weeks and had a public frenzy about him tabbed a mania by the media(Tebowmania)?

To me that sounds like the media loves the kid.

Do people who's job it is to critique football say bad things about him? Sure they do. But these guys get game film to watch Tebow and when watching game film in football, QB is the easiest position to evaluate because you can see the whole field, who's open, what the QB saw, what he should have done and what he did do. These people(ex coaches and ex players alike) probably have a much better handle on evaluating how a QB is playing than any of us who tend to evaluate with our hearts.

Tebow wins?!?! No, the Denver Broncos win. Denver isn't in the playoffs if their special teams weren't amazing and if their defense didn't score a touchdown in three games that were decided by less than 4 points.

The experts know this and the experts have that game film that shows Tebow not going through his progressions, locking onto one receiver and telecasting the play, not being an accurate passer especially when he has to stay in the pocket, missing open receivers just horribly due to overthrows or underthrows, having happy feet in the pocket, and not reading the coverage and defensive blitzes very well.

So those NFL pundits are going to say these things about him and unfortunately for Tebow fans, they are true. These guys aren't lying. All the things I listed above are things that are true about Tim Tebow as a QB.

But the media other than football pundits love him. SI has him on their cover because he sells magazines. ESPN has him all over their telecasts because he drives ratings. FOX, CBS and the NFL Network have him in every pregame show and are doing stories on him constantly to promote him because he drives ratings. Everyday, white, Christian Americans can't read or hear or see enough about this guy. In Florida, he has taken on icon status bigger than Larry Bird has in Boston, the '70 Knicks have in New York and Joe Montana has in San Fran.

So two of the most hated NBA players say people are saying bad things about him, so what? Believe it or not, if it wasn't for their actions, Lebron and Kobe would be media darlings just like Tebow still. Thing is they would have deserved that status and love from the media being some of the best NBA players ever. Tebow is a current mediocre QB at best and probably not in the top 1000 of best NFL players of all-time and doesn't deserve the attention he gets based on his results on the field.

Mark Sanchez, another mediocre QB that made 2 AFC championships, NEVER got the media hype Tebow did. And he played in the media mecca of the world.

[kozlodoev]

Look, Tim Tebow's faith is Tim Tebow's business, not mine. But when he shows up on national TV doing his little spiel after every game, he effectively puts himself in the same basket with Mormon preachers who knock on people's doors with a pile of pocket Bibles. Which I guess explains my particular distaste for him.

I'm not sure how I feel about the issue overall, since there isn't a good way to curb religious propaganda while observing basic freedom of speech, so I guess I'll leave it at that.

So if Ray Allen or Rondo or Pierce or KG praised God and pointed to the sky would you have distaste for them? Do you have distaste for the players that show off their tattooed biceps and stare down people and refer to themselves in 3rd person and pat their chests and pull on their jerseys and throw powder in the sky as a messiahish character (Lebron)?

That's a yes on all of the above. Not sure what it has to do with anything.

Eja has distaste for self-worship and all these other things but overlooks KG's absurd powder slapping and self hyping.

You're perfectly entitled to have any sort of distaste you'd like, and to overlook  it as well.

[vvps]

Because it is my belief that Tebow is getting excellent treatment from the media

 It is my belief that that is a cool story, bro.


Athletes and even coaches from other sports can see the undue hate this kid gets.

The guy wins. If he was an a--hole, he'd tell everyone to kiss his ass.

http://youtu.be/H6pu4-0EK1w

I love to see what a guy can do when his back is up against the wall and everybody counts him out....I can relate to him a lot. I see how the media plays it sometimes and how the critics go at him. To see him prove them wrong ... he continues to stay positive and move forward. You respect that.

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2012/01/video-lebron-james-and-dwyane-wade-discuss-tim-tebow/27706/

I’d like to start this off by saying, to all you Tebow haters: "Take that."

That’s right, that’s right. For all you guys, all of those expert analysts out there who say he can’t do this and can’t pass, can’t run a pro offense, take that.

It just amazes me how the guy wins games, but everybody just kills the guy. I’m sure they’ll find a way to say bad things about this one, too, but he’s going and he’s playing again next week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35199/alvin-gentry-has-tim-tebows-back



But go ahead, keep pretending that he's someone who's loved by the media talking heads. Continue this little propagandist crusade that you're on.  It's cute.

tl;dr

In his 4th NFL start, he took a 1-4 team, destined for the #1 pick, to the division title and a playoff victory over the defending AFC champs.

Give the kid a break.  Give him some space.  If he fails, he fails, so be it.  No need to rush judgment.

[vvps]

Because it is my belief that Tebow is getting excellent treatment from the media

  It is my belief that that is a cool story, bro.


Athletes and even coaches from other sports can see the undue hate this kid gets.

The guy wins. If he was an a--hole, he'd tell everyone to kiss his ass.

http://youtu.be/H6pu4-0EK1w

I love to see what a guy can do when his back is up against the wall and everybody counts him out....I can relate to him a lot. I see how the media plays it sometimes and how the critics go at him. To see him prove them wrong ... he continues to stay positive and move forward. You respect that.

http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2012/01/video-lebron-james-and-dwyane-wade-discuss-tim-tebow/27706/

I’d like to start this off by saying, to all you Tebow haters: "Take that."

That’s right, that’s right. For all you guys, all of those expert analysts out there who say he can’t do this and can’t pass, can’t run a pro offense, take that.

It just amazes me how the guy wins games, but everybody just kills the guy. I’m sure they’ll find a way to say bad things about this one, too, but he’s going and he’s playing again next week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35199/alvin-gentry-has-tim-tebows-back



But go ahead, keep pretending that he's someone who's loved by the media talking heads. Continue this little propagandist crusade that you're on.  It's cute.

So your evidence that the the media doesn't like him includes two quotes from popular media about how great he is?

You were either being sarcastic and it wasn't obvious, or something doesn't make sense here.

Why bother responding when you didn't even bother to read/listen to what they said?  All of them recognize the fact that he has been hated on.  Comprehension problems?