Jeff Green Really Didn't have a bad half year with the C's

[diconzo]

Year   Team   GP   GS   MPG   FG%   3P%   FT%   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   PPG
10–11   OKC   49   49   37.0   .437   .304   .818     5.6      1.8       .8        .4       15.2
10–11   BOS   26   2   23.4   .485    .296    .794     3.3      .7       .5          .6        9.8

( I tried to organize the chart from Wikipedia)

If you look at him pre-trade, he was averaging over 3 quarters worth of minutes, and putting up 15pts/5reb on 44% shooting.

Post-trade, we cut him to under 2 quarters and he put up almost 10pts/3 reb on 49% shooting. His 3 point percentage went down, but why are we having a 6'9 SF/PF take 3 pointers when we have Ray and Paul on our team? Those shouldn't really be his area.

Then in the playoffs he put up this:
2011   Boston   9   0   19.2   .434   .438   .722   2.7   .2   .6   .4   7.3

His numbers only dropped accordingly with his minutes. His shooting% dropped a few points but his 3PT% went up A LOT (.296 to .438)

Green didn't have a slump in Boston, we didn't even give him a chance. We need to see what this kid can do in a full (by that I mean lockout shortened) season when he can start on back to backs in place of Paul or KG.

[hwangjini_1]

Ok, I admit to being really, really lazy right now..

Would someone not stricken by laziness please please put the pre and post numbers for green into 30 minutes projections..

I suspect from eyeballing the above post that there may not have been a huge difference.

I would thank you in advance......but I am too lazy to do so. 

[Big_Dave31]

I think everyone, including myself expected Green to slot into a James Posey type role, but, with better athleticism.

It was a massive change of roles for him, and, I am quite confident that he will have a much better year this year with a training camp under his belt.

[j804]

I know while its just a charity game Jeff Green looked really good in the recent one Durant hosted. He was explosive and looks to be in game shape ready to go.

I can't wait to see some alleys like this from Rondo once they are in sync *fast forward to 0.16 sec mark*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6RqqcXVN7Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[PosImpos]

I think everyone, including myself expected Green to slot into a James Posey type role, but, with better athleticism.

It was a massive change of roles for him, and, I am quite confident that he will have a much better year this year with a training camp under his belt.

Agreed.  That's what was expected -- a super athletic James Posey.  That expectation was simply completely unrealistic.  Jeff Green is a good athlete with a well rounded game who can quietly give you 18-20 pts per 48 minutes along with a handful of rebounds and perhaps a block or a steal here and there.  

He's a solid swing forward with talent to start but not to be a featured guy in any sense.  So yes, he's a jack of all trades, but he isn't a glue guy in the same way Posey was for us in '08.  He doesn't have the swagger or play tenacious D, grab rebounds, and hit corner 3's seemingly automatically, especially in the 4th quarter.  Just very different players.

I like Jeff Green, but as long as people are expecting him to be our next Pierce / Reggie Lewis etc he's going to disappoint.

[Who]

I thought Jeff Green struggled in terms of defense and rebounding for the majority of his time here. He didn't give a true account of himself in either area. Capable of more.

Offense was about right. I don't view him as a scorer at SF. At PF, yes. Not as SF. Complementary piece.

[xmuscularghandix]

When Jeff Green was on the floor he was usually out there with Glen Davis.

Every shot that Glen Davis took with Green on the floor should have been a Green shot. Jeff simply just has to be more aggressive, with that 2nd unit he should look to attack his defender... if he's playing SF he should take him to the post, if he's at PF he should look to use his quickness.

Green tweeted or commented at some point this summer that he's working out to get his "Paul Pierce" on. I'd really like that.

It looked to me like he was struggling with the defense and offense. He was over thinking on D, and over passing on O. Hopefully whenever they come back he'll be more confident in himself instead of worrying about making his veteran teammates happy.

Overall i think subtracting will easily help Green with the 2nd unit. All I know is Green/Johnson has a lot more length then Green/Davis.... and i'm sick of The Celtics' lack of shot blocking, JaJuan should help.

[Celtics4ever]

I think what hurt Green a lot is that he was traded for a guy a lot of fans liked in Perk.   He also had issues intregrating himself in the C's system.   He did seem passive and out of sync.  I am looking forward to him developing a rapport with Rondo because with Johnson and Green we might be able to switch up tempo and actually run on some teams.  However with the lockout is that going to happen?... I doubt it.

I don't think he is a bad player.   I actually think he has more upside than Perk.   Face it, Perk is running around on noodle knees as many injuries as he has had.

[Fafnir]

I thought Jeff Green struggled in terms of defense and rebounding for the majority of his time here. He didn't give a true account of himself in either area. Capable of more.

Offense was about right. I don't view him as a scorer at SF. At PF, yes. Not as SF. Complementary piece.

Yeah, hopefully he builds on that knowledge and continues to get more comfortable in that sort of role. He could still be very valuable if he runs hard like he did for a few games late in the season. His speed and size allowed him to get easy baskets at times.

[Chris]

I thought Jeff Green struggled in terms of defense and rebounding for the majority of his time here. He didn't give a true account of himself in either area. Capable of more.

Offense was about right. I don't view him as a scorer at SF. At PF, yes. Not as SF. Complementary piece.

That's exactly how I see it.  I think at times they struggled to understand how to best use him offensively (or he struggled to understand it), but he pretty much is who he is on that side.

Defensively though, I think he struggled with the system early, as well as the switching back and forth between positions, which held him back.  He is never going to be a great defender, but I think with some games under his belt, and more time spent playing as a true SF, he can be a very solid one.

As far as the numbers go...it sounds like people are trying to talk themselves out of what their eyes told them with numbers, and that is usually not a good idea.

Green most certainly struggled.  He wasn't as bad as some say (I think a lot of people expected WAY too much from him, based on who he was traded for), but he most certainly wasn't very good either.

He was, however, good enough to get another chance...if the contract allows.  Let him show what he can do with some time in the system to adapt (and with the rest of the team engaged), and I think he could become a very good player.  But of course, it all comes down to the price.

[nickagneta]

I was rather disappointed in Green's performance last year. Offesively, he was timid and lost and defensively showed no fire and seemed to be a step or two behind the rotations. Even his man defense wasn't very good. His rebounding was terrible for a guy his size.

I would be happy to see him packaged in a sign and trade for a PF or C.

[PosImpos]

Overall i think subtracting will easily help Green with the 2nd unit. All I know is Green/Johnson has a lot more length then Green/Davis.... and i'm sick of The Celtics' lack of shot blocking, JaJuan should help.

I agree.  I don't think Glen Davis and Jeff Green complement each other well at all.  I'd much prefer to have a hard nosed rebounder / defender with solid size and length at PF (i.e. a taller Powe) alongside Green.

I'm hesitant, however, to say that Jeff Green trying to "get his Paul Pierce on" is a good thing.  I just don't see him as that sort of player.  He's not a finesse, create his own shot from mid-range guy. 

He should be focused on scoring in the flow of the offense, spreading the floor, taking advantage of certain matchups (posting up smaller wings or outrunning / outranging slower bigs), and generally doing lots of little things.  The team shouldn't expect him to be a scorer, and neither should he.

[xmuscularghandix]

Overall i think subtracting will easily help Green with the 2nd unit. All I know is Green/Johnson has a lot more length then Green/Davis.... and i'm sick of The Celtics' lack of shot blocking, JaJuan should help.

I agree.  I don't think Glen Davis and Jeff Green complement each other well at all.  I'd much prefer to have a hard nosed rebounder / defender with solid size and length at PF (i.e. a taller Powe) alongside Green.

I'm hesitant, however, to say that Jeff Green trying to "get his Paul Pierce on" is a good thing.  I just don't see him as that sort of player.  He's not a finesse, create his own shot from mid-range guy. 

He should be focused on scoring in the flow of the offense, spreading the floor, taking advantage of certain matchups (posting up smaller wings or outrunning / outranging slower bigs), and generally doing lots of little things.  The team shouldn't expect him to be a scorer, and neither should he.

I assumed "getting his PP on" meant isolating at the elbow in triple threat... I think Green could be pretty deadly in that situation.

[Yogi]

   Tough Small-forwards in the East this year Lebron, Melo, Iguodala, Granger, Deng, Josh Smith (sometimes) and perhaps even the long, athletic Jan Vesley.
   Jeff Green is going to be awesome this season.  He's going to make quite a few fans in Boston.  In the running for SMOY.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, I'm a Jeff Green fan, but we will need him to be a bit more aggressive this year.

If we can get that out of him, and have Jajuan and E'Twuan step up, then I won't be too concerned with how many games the NBA decides to have this season.

With Doc and the team he is surrounded with, I have no doubt that he will help us this season.