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Basketball HOF Survivor Game
« on: October 05, 2011, 11:35:50 AM »

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So, in light of the stalled labor talks and not much to discuss here, I've decided to copy NickFaldo's idea of a Sports Villain Survivor game and adapt it to something we all like to debate - who gets into the HOF.  Here are the rules (I've tweaked them slightly for my own preferences).

Copy and paste the most current vote tally. Then add a total of 8 pts to four people and subtract a total of 8 pts from four others.  You can add or subtract extra points to individual players, but you must add + subtract from 4 players each (meaning the maximum you can add or subtract from a given player is 5).  Do not vote twice in a row (although you can vote multiple times over the course of the thread).

The goal is to select who we collectively deserves entry into the Basketball HOF as a player from this pool of current and recently retired players, based on their current "resume" (if they never played again). If you think someone does not deserve to get in, subtract points from their total. Conversely, if you think someone should make the HOF, add points to their current total.

When a player reaches 0 points, they will be dropped from the list and become permanently ineligible for the HOF (not really but it's fun to pretend).  Also, remember that this is the Basketball HOF, not the NBA - college, Olympic, and foreign play counts.  So, here's the initial list:


Vince Carter (20)
Pau Gasol (20)
Manu Ginobili (20)
Grant Hill (20)
Dwight Howard (20)
Allen Iverson (20)
Mark Jackson (20)
LeBron James (20)
Tracy McGrady (20)
Reggie Miller (20)
Yao Ming (20)
Dikembe Mutombo (20)
Steve Nash (20)
Dirk Nowitzki (20)
Amar'e Stoudemire (20)
Dwyane Wade (20)

I've left off obvious picks like Tim Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and our Big 3.  I wanted to focus more on borderline current players and recent retirees. 

So, I'll start the voting.  Please bold the players you've added points to, and bold+red the players you've subtracted points from.  You can also give a short rationale for your choice.

Vince Carter (17)
Pau Gasol (20)
Manu Ginobili (20)
Grant Hill (20)
Dwight Howard (20)
Allen Iverson (21)
Mark Jackson (19)
LeBron James (20)
Tracy McGrady (18)
Reggie Miller (20)
Yao Ming (20)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (23)
Dirk Nowitzki (23)
Amar'e Stoudemire (18)
Dwyane Wade (20)

I've added 3 points to Nash and Dirk, and 1 point to Mutombo and Iverson.  I've also subtracted 3 points from Vince Carter, 2 points from McGrady and Stoudemire, and 1 point from Mark Jackson. 

Remember - this is for HOF induction as a player assuming they never played another game.  College, Olympics and foreign experience should all be considered.  If you can think of a player you'd like added to the list, let me know ASAP and we'll see if they can be included.  Thanks again to NickFaldo for the idea.  Happy voting!

Re: Basketball HOF Survivor Game
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 11:49:45 AM »

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Vince Carter (16)
Pau Gasol (20)
Manu Ginobili (20)
Grant Hill (20)
Dwight Howard (20)
Allen Iverson (22)
Mark Jackson (17)
LeBron James (20)
Tracy McGrady (18)
Reggie Miller (23)
Yao Ming (18)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (26)
Dirk Nowitzki (24)
Amar'e Stoudemire (15)
Dwyane Wade (20)

I've added 3 points to Nash and Reggie, and 1 point to Dirk and Iverson.  I've also subtracted 3 points from Amare, 2 points from Mark Jackson and Yao, and 1 point from Vince. 

I think Reggie and Nash are locks as is AI. Just not enough from Jackson, Yao and Amare (yet).
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Re: Basketball HOF Survivor Game
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 11:57:32 AM »

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Vince Carter (13)
Pau Gasol (20)
Manu Ginobili (20)
Grant Hill (25)
Dwight Howard (23)
Allen Iverson (17)
Mark Jackson (17)
LeBron James (20)
Tracy McGrady (18)
Reggie Miller (23)
Yao Ming (18)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (26)
Dirk Nowitzki (24)
Amar'e Stoudemire (15)
Dwyane Wade (20)


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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 12:03:49 PM »

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Vince Carter (13)
Pau Gasol (20)
Manu Ginobili (20)
Grant Hill (25)
Dwight Howard (23)
Allen Iverson (17)
Mark Jackson (17)
LeBron James (20)
Tracy McGrady (18)
Reggie Miller (23)
Yao Ming (18)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (26)
Dirk Nowitzki (24)
Amar'e Stoudemire (15)
Dwyane Wade (20)

We'll leave this as-is this time, but remember in the future to add points to 4 players and subtract from 4 more.  You have some flexibility in dividing your points but you've got to have 4 guys in each category.


Re: Basketball HOF Survivor Game
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 12:07:27 PM »

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Vince Carter (8 )
Pau Gasol (20)
Manu Ginobili (21)
Grant Hill (25)
Dwight Howard (23)
Allen Iverson (17)
Mark Jackson (16)
LeBron James (20)
Tracy McGrady (17)
Reggie Miller (24)
Yao Ming (20)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (26)
Dirk Nowitzki (28)
Amar'e Stoudemire (14)
Dwyane Wade (20)

-5 from Vince, -1 from Amare, TMac, and Jackson.  +4 to Dirk, +2 Yao, +1 Miller, Manu


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Re: Basketball HOF Survivor Game
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 01:04:48 PM »

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Vince Carter (8 )
Pau Gasol (21)
Manu Ginobili (22)
Grant Hill (26)
Dwight Howard (23)
Allen Iverson (17)
Mark Jackson (16)
LeBron James (17)
Tracy McGrady (16)
Reggie Miller (25)
Yao Ming (17)
Dikembe Mutombo (22)
Steve Nash (26)
Dirk Nowitzki (31)
Amar'e Stoudemire (13)
Dwyane Wade (20)


-3 for Lebron -3 for Yao -1 for TMac -1 for Amare

+1 for Grant +3 for Dirk +1 for Manu  +1 for  Pau +1 for Reggie  +1 for Dikembe

I hope I did that right

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 01:19:30 PM »

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Vince Carter (7)
Pau Gasol (21)
Manu Ginobili (22)
Grant Hill (31)
Dwight Howard (24)
Allen Iverson (12)
Mark Jackson (16)
LeBron James (17)
Tracy McGrady (15)
Reggie Miller (26)
Yao Ming (18)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (26)
Dirk Nowitzki (31)
Amar'e Stoudemire (13)
Dwyane Wade (20)

Let's see if I can get it right this time.

Re: Basketball HOF Survivor Game
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2011, 01:31:35 PM »

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Pau Gasol (21)
Manu Ginobili (24)
Grant Hill (33)
Dwight Howard (23)
Allen Iverson (12)
Mark Jackson (15)
LeBron James (17)
Tracy McGrady (15)
Reggie Miller (26)
Yao Ming (18)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (27)
Dirk Nowitzki (34)

Amar'e Stoudemire (12)
Dwyane Wade (20)

-5 Carter; -1 Howard (too soon), Amare, Jackson

+3 Dirk; +2 Manu, Hill; +1 Nash


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Re: Basketball HOF Survivor Game
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2011, 01:38:33 PM »

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Vince Carter (2)
Pau Gasol (23)
Manu Ginobili (24)
Grant Hill (35)
Dwight Howard (23)
Allen Iverson (12)
Mark Jackson (15)
LeBron James (14)
Tracy McGrady (14)
Reggie Miller (27)
Yao Ming (15)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (27)
Dirk Nowitzki (37)
Amar'e Stoudemire (11)
Dwyane Wade (20)

-3 for Bron -3 for Yao -1 for Amare - 1 for Tmac

+3 for Dirk +2 for Grant +2 for Pau +1 for Reggie

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2011, 02:09:01 PM »

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Vince Carter (0)
Pau Gasol (23)
Manu Ginobili (24)
Grant Hill (35)
Dwight Howard (23)
Allen Iverson (14)
Mark Jackson (13)
LeBron James (14)
Tracy McGrady (12)
Reggie Miller (29)
Yao Ming (16)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (30)
Dirk Nowitzki (37)
Amar'e Stoudemire (9)
Dwyane Wade (20)


+3 Nash, +2 Reggie +2 Iverson (too good a player to miss out regardless of all the negative intangibles),  +1 Yao

Gonna live the dream of many NBA fans and knock out Vince Carter, so he's officially off the list.  -2 to Amar'e, -2 to T-Mac, -2 to Mark Jackson.

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2011, 02:12:02 PM »

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Allen Iverson (14)
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LeBron James (14)
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Reggie Miller (30)
Yao Ming (16)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (30)
Dirk Nowitzki (40)
Amar'e Stoudemire (4)
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2011, 02:24:08 PM »

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Grant Hill (40)
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Allen Iverson (9)
Mark Jackson (13)
LeBron James (14)
Tracy McGrady (10)
Reggie Miller (31)
Yao Ming (17)
Dikembe Mutombo (20)
Steve Nash (30)
Dirk Nowitzki (40)
Amar'e Stoudemire (4)
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2011, 03:30:53 PM »

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Dwight Howard (23)
Allen Iverson (9)
Mark Jackson (13)
LeBron James (11)
Tracy McGrady (9)
Reggie Miller (31)
Yao Ming (14)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (30)
Dirk Nowitzki (43)
Amar'e Stoudemire (4)
Dwyane Wade (20)

-3 Lebron -3 Yao -1 TMac -1 D Wade

No way we should have knocked out Vince before TMac, or possibly even Bron for that matter

+3 Dirk +2 Manu +2 Grant +1 Mutumbo

Re: Basketball HOF Survivor Game
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2011, 03:40:41 PM »

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I'm a little thrown off on people going after Iverson.

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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 03:50:27 PM »

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I'm a little thrown off on people going after Iverson.

I pretty much expected it.  Iverson is the biggest representative of what a lot of people hated about the 90s and early 2000s game, and some fans despise him in a way that kind of transcends his actual resume, which is better than a lot of players with more points. 

Kind of weird too that Grant Hill is above Steve Nash and Howard well above LeBron.  I understand liking Hill and not liking LeBron at this point, but I don't see how Howard in particular has a better resume than LeBron.

Pau Gasol (21)
Manu Ginobili (29)
Grant Hill (42)
Dwight Howard (21)
Allen Iverson (12)
Mark Jackson (13)
LeBron James (12)
Tracy McGrady (7)
Reggie Miller (32)
Yao Ming (14)
Dikembe Mutombo (21)
Steve Nash (33)
Dirk Nowitzki (43)
Amar'e Stoudemire (2)
Dwyane Wade (20)

Iverson +3, Nash +3, Reggie +1, LeBron +1
Amar'e -2, T-Mac -2, Howard -2, Gasol -2