Basketball HOF Survivor Game

[Eja117]

Pau Gasol (31)
Manu Ginobili (39)
Grant Hill (45)
Allen Iverson (23)
LeBron James (0)
Reggie Miller (30)
Dikembe Mutombo (13)
Steve Nash (35)
Dirk Nowitzki (68)
Dwyane Wade (41)

-5 Lebron  -1 nash -1 Wade -1 Deke

+2 Grant +2 AI +2 Manu 1 Reggie

[Eja117]

I will most likely start aiming some attention at the guy that took a while to develop, then was often surrounded by a lot of talent, but never even made it to the finals, and thought defense was something that happens in a court of law. And who loved soccer and let us all know what terrible Americans we were whenever a dictator somewhere was removed.

[Roy H.]

Pau Gasol (32)
Manu Ginobili (44)
Grant Hill (45)
Allen Iverson (22)
Reggie Miller (29)
Dikembe Mutombo (8 )
Steve Nash (34)
Dirk Nowitzki (69)
Dwyane Wade (42)

Losers: Dikembe (-5), Iverson (-1), Nash (-1), Reggie (-1)

None ever won a ring at any level.

Winners: Manu (+5), Wade (+1), Dirk (+1), Gasol (+1)

All won at least one NBA title.

[wdleehi]

Pau Gasol (31)
Manu Ginobili (43)
Grant Hill (50)
Allen Iverson (17)
Reggie Miller (30)
Dikembe Mutombo (7 )
Steve Nash (35)
Dirk Nowitzki (70)
Dwyane Wade (42)

[Who]

I think Grant Hill's college accomplishments are overstated.

Hill wasn't a star player on either of those two national titles. Christian Laettner was their leader and Bobby Hurley was their second best player. Grant Hill was a good starter on the first title team and a third wheel on the second. He didn't become an elite college player until after Laettner left.

I don't think his college resume and injury riddled NBA career is enough to push him above all the players he is ranked ahead of right now.

I admit I sorta thought of that, but some of these other players didn't play college ball and have no accomplishments at all. I sorta feel like the Olympics even out a little.

Grant Hill also never made it past the first round when he was a star player. He has no team success in the NBA as a high level player.

His only playoff run happened with Nash when he was a journeyman swingman.

I don't understand how Grant Hill is so highly. He won less in the NBA and had a shorter peak (due to injury) than anyone else on this list.

[Who]

Disappointed to see LeBron James go so early.

Two MVPs. Five All-NBA first team selections. Two second team selections. Three times All-Defense. Two trips to the NBA Finals, one run to the Conference Finals and three second round appearances.

[fairweatherfan]

I think Grant Hill's college accomplishments are overstated.

Hill wasn't a star player on either of those two national titles. Christian Laettner was their leader and Bobby Hurley was their second best player. Grant Hill was a good starter on the first title team and a third wheel on the second. He didn't become an elite college player until after Laettner left.

I don't think his college resume and injury riddled NBA career is enough to push him above all the players he is ranked ahead of right now.

I admit I sorta thought of that, but some of these other players didn't play college ball and have no accomplishments at all. I sorta feel like the Olympics even out a little.

Grant Hill also never made it past the first round when he was a star player. He has no team success in the NBA as a high level player.

His only playoff run happened with Nash when he was a journeyman swingman.

I don't understand how Grant Hill is so highly. He won less in the NBA and had a shorter peak (due to injury) than anyone else on this list.

I tend to agree - I think Hill's college and Olympic experience just barely push him from the bad to the good side of borderline HOFer.  I don't think he's decisively above players like Nash, Miller or even LeBron by any means.

[Who]

Pau Gasol (36)
Manu Ginobili (44)
Grant Hill (45)
Allen Iverson (18)
Reggie Miller (29)
Dikembe Mutombo (6 )
Steve Nash (36)
Dirk Nowitzki (70)
Dwyane Wade (41)

Increases = Pau +5, Manu +1, Iverson +1, Nash +1
Decreases = Grant Hill -5, Reggie -1, Deke -1, Wade -1

[wdleehi]

Pau Gasol (35)
Manu Ginobili (43)
Grant Hill (50)
Allen Iverson (13)
Reggie Miller (30)
Dikembe Mutombo (5 )
Steve Nash (37)
Dirk Nowitzki (71)
Dwyane Wade (41)

[Roy H.]

Pau Gasol (36)
Manu Ginobili (46)
Grant Hill (50)
Allen Iverson (12)
Reggie Miller (29)
Dikembe Mutombo (0)
Steve Nash (36)
Dirk Nowitzki (72)
Dwyane Wade (44)

Goodbye, Deke.  Great player, but not on the same level as a lot of the others.

[wdleehi]

Since my break is about to end, I will have to put in my last vote for awhile.
Pau Gasol (35)
Manu Ginobili (45)
Grant Hill (55)
Allen Iverson (7)
Reggie Miller (30)
Steve Nash (37)
Dirk Nowitzki (73)
Dwyane Wade (43)

[Who]

I think Grant Hill's college accomplishments are overstated.

Hill wasn't a star player on either of those two national titles. Christian Laettner was their leader and Bobby Hurley was their second best player. Grant Hill was a good starter on the first title team and a third wheel on the second. He didn't become an elite college player until after Laettner left.

I don't think his college resume and injury riddled NBA career is enough to push him above all the players he is ranked ahead of right now.

I admit I sorta thought of that, but some of these other players didn't play college ball and have no accomplishments at all. I sorta feel like the Olympics even out a little.

Grant Hill also never made it past the first round when he was a star player. He has no team success in the NBA as a high level player.

His only playoff run happened with Nash when he was a journeyman swingman.

I don't understand how Grant Hill is so highly. He won less in the NBA and had a shorter peak (due to injury) than anyone else on this list.

I tend to agree - I think Hill's college and Olympic experience just barely push him from the bad to the good side of borderline HOFer.  I don't think he's decisively above players like Nash, Miller or even LeBron by any means.

His contributions in the Olympics doesn't mean much to be me either. He played 22 minutes a game and averaged 10, 3 and 3. Hill played on a team loaded with talent that completely overpowered every opponent and would have done so with or without him on the court.

His international accomplishments pale in comparison to people like Pau Gasol and Manu Ginobili. Hill was a role player in the Olympics. Those guys where stars that were the driving force behind their team teams.

[wdleehi]

I think Grant Hill's college accomplishments are overstated.

Hill wasn't a star player on either of those two national titles. Christian Laettner was their leader and Bobby Hurley was their second best player. Grant Hill was a good starter on the first title team and a third wheel on the second. He didn't become an elite college player until after Laettner left.

I don't think his college resume and injury riddled NBA career is enough to push him above all the players he is ranked ahead of right now.

I admit I sorta thought of that, but some of these other players didn't play college ball and have no accomplishments at all. I sorta feel like the Olympics even out a little.

Grant Hill also never made it past the first round when he was a star player. He has no team success in the NBA as a high level player.

His only playoff run happened with Nash when he was a journeyman swingman.

I don't understand how Grant Hill is so highly. He won less in the NBA and had a shorter peak (due to injury) than anyone else on this list.

I tend to agree - I think Hill's college and Olympic experience just barely push him from the bad to the good side of borderline HOFer.  I don't think he's decisively above players like Nash, Miller or even LeBron by any means.

His contributions in the Olympics doesn't mean much to be me either. He played 22 minutes a game and averaged 10, 3 and 3. Hill played on a team loaded with talent that completely overpowered every opponent and would have done so with or without him on the court.

His international accomplishments pale in comparison to people like Pau Gasol and Manu Ginobili. Hill was a role player in the Olympics. Those guys where stars that were the driving force behind their team teams.

Neither Gasol nor Manu got past the first round without having a better player on their team (Kobe and Duncan)

In fact Gasol never won a playoff game with out Kobe on the team. 

[Roy H.]

Pau Gasol (36)
Manu Ginobili (48)
Grant Hill (54)
Allen Iverson (2)
Reggie Miller (29)
Steve Nash (36)
Dirk Nowitzki (74)
Dwyane Wade (46)

[wdleehi]

Pau Gasol (32)
Manu Ginobili (47)
Grant Hill (59)
Allen Iverson (0)
Reggie Miller (31)
Steve Nash (37)
Dirk Nowitzki (75)
Dwyane Wade (45)