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Re: Meeting Concludes Without Deal / Ongoing Lockout Negotiations Thread
« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2011, 08:44:35 AM »

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Celts are paying me 8% on my money.  :)

Not really; you HAVE TO spend that money on future tickets; so it's just a discount on future ticket prices.  It's actually less than 8% in real dollar terms because they are almost certainly going to raise ticket prices. 

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« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2011, 09:26:25 AM »

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Celts are paying me 8% on my money.  :)

Not really; you HAVE TO spend that money on future tickets; so it's just a discount on future ticket prices.  It's actually less than 8% in real dollar terms because they are almost certainly going to raise ticket prices. 

Thing is, you don't have to go to games. You don't have to buy future, jacked up priced tickets.

You can go to a sports bar and watch the games for free.

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« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2011, 09:27:31 AM »

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Celts are paying me 8% on my money.  :)

Not really; you HAVE TO spend that money on future tickets; so it's just a discount on future ticket prices.  It's actually less than 8% in real dollar terms because they are almost certainly going to raise ticket prices. 

Well, part of the deal was that they locked in ticket prices for next year.

Anyways, I am done with following this lockout.  I was interested in it for a while, and even mildly entertained, but now I am done.  Now I am just hoping they cancel the season sooner rather than later, so I can spend the season ticket money on something more worthwhile.

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« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2011, 12:05:40 PM »

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My solution on the lockout:

Get them to drink together, I usually tends to sort things out, or it turns into a brawl(how funny would that be, but let's face it these are "grown men")  ;D
no, seriously
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« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2011, 12:16:45 PM »

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My solution on the lockout:

Get them to drink together, I usually tends to sort things out, or it turns into a brawl(how funny would that be, but let's face it these are "grown men")  ;D
no, seriously

Who knows if that isn't what happened?  When you hear them talk about yesterday, it sounds like it was a 15 minute meeting.  They basically said they met, the owners said 50/50 take it or leave it, and the players left it.  However the meeting was what?  6 hours?  So, perhaps they were just taking shots for the first 5 hours and 45 minutes.

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« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2011, 06:15:08 PM »

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My solution on the lockout:

Get them to drink together, I usually tends to sort things out, or it turns into a brawl(how funny would that be, but let's face it these are "grown men")  ;D
no, seriously

Who knows if that isn't what happened?  When you hear them talk about yesterday, it sounds like it was a 15 minute meeting.  They basically said they met, the owners said 50/50 take it or leave it, and the players left it.  However the meeting was what?  6 hours?  So, perhaps they were just taking shots for the first 5 hours and 45 minutes.
was Gin Baker or Ron Ro...oh I'm sorry Metta World Peace there? :)
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Re: Meeting Concludes Without Deal / Ongoing Lockout Negotiations Thread
« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2011, 09:30:51 PM »

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yall need to leave Vin Baker alone...

he was not the worst Celtic ever..

we all go thru thangs only difference  his bizness was public

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« Reply #112 on: October 22, 2011, 05:38:32 AM »

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yall need to leave Vin Baker alone...

he was not the worst Celtic ever..

we all go thru thangs only difference  his bizness was public
didn't say he was, but he was a HUGE disappointment
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« Reply #113 on: October 26, 2011, 10:49:35 AM »

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The owners and players are meeting today...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7150515/nba-lockout-labor-talks-reportedly-set-resume-wednesday

... not that anybody really cares at this point. 



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« Reply #114 on: October 26, 2011, 03:44:55 PM »

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The owners and players are meeting today...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7150515/nba-lockout-labor-talks-reportedly-set-resume-wednesday

... not that anybody really cares at this point. 



I would like to give you 150 tommy points for the Charlie Brown reference in regards to the sides meeting. Whether or not this is going to be another Charade remains to be seen.

Reading the tea leaves here, I would say:

1) The BRI gets split at 50-50 
2) The owners all agree on a revenue sharing program, which by the way is really gumming up the works. We have to keep Dan Gilbert of Cleveland happy because his team will suck for every year of this CBA. It would almost be better if the 24 owners of the healthiest franchises would pitch in pay the following have nots to go away:

a) Cleveland (Dan Gilbert lost his meal ticket Lebron)
b) Minnesota (Glen Taylor is an idiot)
c) Sacremento (Sorry Kevin Johnson)
d) Toronto (Canada needs to stick to Hockey, Eh?)
e) LA Clippers (Donald Sterling is an incompetent jack wagon of an owner)
f) New Orleans or Charlotte (Both are big money losers).

Contracting will bring parity back to the NBA that David Stern wants and we would have many teams to stand up to Lebron, Kobe, and Kevin Durant.

3) Need increased and graduated penalty tax for exceeding the total team salary thresholds. For example - The penalty is $1 for every dollar when the teams total player salary is between 60 and 75 million, $2 between 75 and 90, and $3 for over 90 million. If LA Lakers want to pay 120 million to keep Pau Gasol, Kobe, Artest, Fischer, Odom, Bynum and whoever else happy, Their penalty tax would be 15 + 30 + 90 = 135 million on top of the 120 million salary. But no problem, the movie stars can still shell out 2500 a night to be seen at the Lakers games. If the Lakers can generate 400 million (about 10% of the total NBA BRI) in revenue and have to share 100 million with their little brothers, that still leaves the Lakers owner with a cool 65 million profit at the end of day.

4) Guarenteed vs non-guarenteed or partially contracts, amnesty clauses (Vin Baker rule) This is other big political issue I see out there. I see this one going the way of teams getting to dump one salary slot a year to weed out the underperformers or problem players that don't fit in. For the Celtics, I noticed that Rasheed Wallace is still on the books for over 6 million... He is in year 3 of his mid-level.

5) Hard Salary Cap? Soft Salary Cap? No Salary Cap? Why have a cap when you have the penalty tax to check teams wreckless spending?   

6) "All the other system issues" Trade Rules, FA, Rookie Contracts, Salaries..... This process should go fairly quickly under the watchful eye of someone like Larry M Coon.

I can get into a whole bunch of other fixes that the NBA should consider but I'll get back to you when I have more time. 
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Re: Meeting Concludes Without Deal / Ongoing Lockout Negotiations Thread
« Reply #115 on: October 26, 2011, 04:04:53 PM »

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Contraction is one of those things that just about everyone (including Stern) will admit probably makes a ton of sense.  However, I would be shocked to see it happen...at least right now.  Even if they got the owners to agree on which team(s) get the axe, the players would have a big problem with 15 jobs per team just disappearing. 

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« Reply #116 on: October 26, 2011, 04:24:58 PM »

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Uh oh, even Wojo is making positive tweets:

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Two sources -- one on ownership side, one union -- with direct knowledge of latest proposals are encouraged with movement on both sides.

It kills him to say anything positive, so perhaps we may be closing in on a deal!

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« Reply #117 on: October 26, 2011, 04:33:00 PM »

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So let's say hypothetically they reach an agreement...tomorrow. It will take a week to finalize the CBA and then free agency starts.

What do you say, about a two week free agency period and camps open up November 17th with the season starting Dec 1st or 2nd. Does that sound right? Or do you think they try to get up and running for the Thanksgiving long weekend?

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« Reply #118 on: October 26, 2011, 04:35:23 PM »

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So let's say hypothetically they reach an agreement...tomorrow. It will take a week to finalize the CBA and then free agency starts.

What do you say, about a two week free agency period and camps open up November 17th with the season starting Dec 1st or 2nd. Does that sound right? Or do you think they try to get up and running for the Thanksgiving long weekend?

Thanksgiving is almost synonymous with Football. I don't see why they'd try targeting that weekend.

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« Reply #119 on: October 26, 2011, 04:44:49 PM »

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So let's say hypothetically they reach an agreement...tomorrow. It will take a week to finalize the CBA and then free agency starts.

What do you say, about a two week free agency period and camps open up November 17th with the season starting Dec 1st or 2nd. Does that sound right? Or do you think they try to get up and running for the Thanksgiving long weekend?

Thanksgiving is almost synonymous with Football. I don't see why they'd try targeting that weekend.

Yeah, I think they would just shoot for December 1st.  They love Thursday games, and they can set up an opening night triple header or something that night.