My whole thing with the Perkins trade

[RAG50K]

Everyone is disregarding his short stint for OKC at the end of the year and saying he would have changed something for us. He didn't give them anything.


 He was slow, lacked timing, and completely excluded on offense. Which is fair enough, seeing as he was coming back from a knee issue.

Excellent point.
Perk's playoff stats in OKC-
6.4 ppg and 6.7 rpg in 28 minutes a game, not to mention his worst rebounding rate(12.4%),worst blocking rate(2.1) and offensive rating ever (94).Jeff Green gave 7.3 ppg in 19 minutes, had almost identical rebound rate numbers, and had a better offensive rating as well. But the most telling stat was Perkin's defensive rating, an abysmal 110, worse than Dirk Nowitzki's and Amare's.Jeff Green had a D-Rating of a 104. How was Perk supposed to beef up our defense?

 

[Celtics4ever]

mid season new team..

what do u expect?

Then why do people expect Jeff Green to dominate.   It's ok for Perk to have a mulligan but not Green?

I think Perk is damaged goods with this last injury.   Danny dealt him.  He rolled the dice on Shaq and lost.  Doc didn't like Krstic and ended up shattering his confidence after he came over.   Krstic was a better offensive player than Perk but his D stunk.  

I think OKC over paid Perk.  I think he is a 8 million a year when healthy which he is not presently.  Dude works hard to come back but there are only so much comeback in a man or knee.  Danny offered him 4 years at 22 million.  OKC offered him 34.8 million for 4 years.  Danny had him pegged at 5.5 mil, OKC has him at 8.7 million.

For those curious his FG percentage in OKC dropped 6 points to .493%.  His FT% dropped 3 points to .531%   His rebounds per game dropped to 7.9 from 8.1.  Bpg went up by .1 from .8 to .9.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/perkike01.html

Deal is done, for better or worse, I guess some here need some cheese to go with their whine.  It was a bad deal because we were left too thin down low.

[Celtics18]

Krstic has his own injury problems.  This notion that Doc just benched him once the playoffs started is false. 

Nenad would have been in the rotation had he been healthy. 

[Celtics4ever]

I think Doc lost confidence in him, too.   You could see it after about ten games when they went on a losing streak.

[Roy H.]

Danny offered him 4 years at 22 million.  OKC offered him 34.8 million for 4 years.  Danny had him pegged at 5.5 mil, OKC has him at 8.7 million.

Just to be clear, Danny didn't have Perk "pegged" at any number we've learned publicly.  The amount he could offer as an in-season extension was limited by the CBA.  Danny offered Perk the most he could, and admitted at the time that it was below Perk's value.  OKC could only offer more because they had cap room to renegotiate his deal.  However, come free agency, it would have been a different story.

[Inside-Out]

I think the faint echo of the Mark Blount contract still reverberate around the front office a bit...

Starting NBA center, good help side defender, legit 7-footer, hard-to-fill position, reportedly always in great shape, seemed to fit in the system...but not a piece to commit big money to long term.

Sorry for bringing it up...

[BballTim]

I think the faint echo of the Mark Blount contract still reverberate around the front office a bit...

Starting NBA center, good help side defender, legit 7-footer, hard-to-fill position, reportedly always in great shape, seemed to fit in the system...but not a piece to commit big money to long term.

Sorry for bringing it up...

  Comparing Perk to Skippy, now that's just cold.

[jasail]

I still don't mind this trade.  The C's "window" closed when Ray was kneed by Artest.  The 2010/2011 teams had more holes in than swiss cheese: no post offense, poor spacing, offensive droughts, turnovers.  All the same holes the C's covered up in years prior were more pronounced because the core of that team was older and banged up and they had no depth. 

This trade was meant to give them depth, but Green didn't catch on and that aspect sucked.  OTOH, I am hard pressed to see how this would have been better with Perkins. Perkins wouldn't have helped them break their stagnant offense, he also wouldn't have eased the burden on Pierce or Ray who had to chase better younger players around the court.  He would not have made Garnett 5 years younger. 

So arguing about last year is moot.  Sure they were the best team in the league early on, but their age rendered them ineffective in May and June. 

What this trade did was gave them financial flexibility moving forward and healthy players last year.  If you want to argue it robbed them of a championship opportunity, then that's your prerogative. Personally, I don't think they had a snowball's chance with Perkins or with Green considering the state of affairs with the rest of the team. 

[Inside-Out]

I think the faint echo of the Mark Blount contract still reverberate around the front office a bit...

Starting NBA center, good help side defender, legit 7-footer, hard-to-fill position, reportedly always in great shape, seemed to fit in the system...but not a piece to commit big money to long term.

Sorry for bringing it up...

  Comparing Perk to Skippy, now that's just cold.

Yeah...it kind of hurt a bit to type that out, but I think it may be true in some respects.  Different people for sure, but true starting center/complementary players that were due for a payday.

I remember a headline in the Blount offseason "time to pay a dues payer" or something.  There was a strong belief the guy was worth the money.  Oops on that.  Same may turn out to be true of Perk, but either way, that's a lot of bread to tie up in a complementary player.

[Moranis]

I think the faint echo of the Mark Blount contract still reverberate around the front office a bit...

Starting NBA center, good help side defender, legit 7-footer, hard-to-fill position, reportedly always in great shape, seemed to fit in the system...but not a piece to commit big money to long term.

Sorry for bringing it up...

  Comparing Perk to Skippy, now that's just cold.

Yeah...it kind of hurt a bit to type that out, but I think it may be true in some respects.  Different people for sure, but true starting center/complementary players that were due for a payday.

I remember a headline in the Blount offseason "time to pay a dues payer" or something.  There was a strong belief the guy was worth the money.  Oops on that.  Same may turn out to be true of Perk, but either way, that's a lot of bread to tie up in a complementary player.

Blount was as good offensively as Perk is defensively.  People forget that Blount led the league or was top 3 for a couple of seasons on mid-range jump shooting percentage.  He was an excellent offensive player.  He was never a good rebounder (even in his contract year his RB% was just 14), but offensively even post-contract he was still very good.

[RockinRyA]

Everyone is disregarding his short stint for OKC at the end of the year and saying he would have changed something for us. He didn't give them anything.


 He was slow, lacked timing, and completely excluded on offense. Which is fair enough, seeing as he was coming back from a knee issue.

I tend to agree with this. Anti-trade people want to believe we would have had the pre-injury Perk back and I just don't think this would have happened. We got everything and more out of Jermaine and we still weren't even close. It was sad watching a true Celtic get traded to another team, but at least he is in a great situation and we got some good pieces back in return.

Personally, I am ready to move on, but I will always love the guy...

True, Jermaine provided the D but it was not enough. What we needed was a good post threat and a wing defender. We had them early in the season (Shaq, Daniels) and we sorely missed them against the Heat.

Our team's problem is more on the offensive end IMHO. We only have PP who can create his own offense and during the MIA series he was being guarded by arguably his best defender aside from the fact that he is also expected to do a lot on defense.

[bfrombleacher]

This trade was meant to give them depth, but Green didn't catch on and that aspect sucked.

Jeff Green did slightly better than he did in OKC. I believe he played less minutes but was more efficient in those minutes.

I'm on the side of those who think he will be better with a training camp and is more integrated into the system. He looked lost last season because he really was and we all know how much a player's state of mind can affect his game. He was never really a part of the offense in OKC either so it'd be interesting to see his improvement when he actually has plays made for him.

[LB3533]

It is interesting how we still lament about how Perk was traded or Jeff Green wasn't good enough or Shaq was too injured and we missed Marquis....when we have the Big 4!!!!

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

[bfrombleacher]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

[Celtics4ever]

I think by making this trade, Danny was setting us up for the next incarnation of the Celtics.  Whether he admits it or not, he got a nice potential draft pick and flexability.  I doubt he will ever admit this publicly. I for one think Perk was worth between  7-8 million/year and no more.  He clearly is damaged goods.   He was a great guy and played hard with heart.  But he isn't the same player post injury.

Count me in as one of those who thinks (unless we get lucky and sign Dalambert or a C of that ilk) that the door has closed for us.   Oh we will be, competative and compete but I don't think we can win a title as some of our horses are too old.   I will be rooting for us to win every game.  Without a defensive C it  isn't feasible for us to win it all.

It remains to be seen if Green will sign with us.   I too, think he will be better with a full camp.  Killer instinct he doesn't have though and that is hard to teach if you don't.   You can only fake it so much, just check LeBron who did a nice facsmile of it against us only to reveal his lack thereof in the finals.   Some people have it, PP, Larry and some don't.  Guys who carry teams usually do, Jeff does not have it.  He will be a nice supplemental player at the most or a roleplayer plus.

I think the referring was horrific in the series against us too.  I am not blaming the refs but they did seem to stall our momentum.   They disappeared in the finals and stopped the point subsidy on LeBron who correspnodingly disappeared.