My whole thing with the Perkins trade

[cman88]

the thing is, our problems seem to be more on the offensive end than defense...stops are only as good as you putting points on the other end...and in the 4th quarter of games, our big 4 would be too gassed and end up missing shots because they had to carry the bench the whole game.

having a healthy bench who can be productive would IMO fix alot of those problems so that our big 4 arent totally gassed at the end of games and missing shots....and if jeff green can be more confident/effective, he can be a big asset in that department as well..the guy spent most of his career going against starting 4's, he should be able to wreak havoc on opponents bench 3's

we still had one of the best defenses in the league with a hodge podge of centers starting shaq, semih, kristic, JO

what we also lack is someone who can finish in the post..KG is primarily a jumpshooter now, and BBD(whos strength is in that area) seems resigned to sticking with jumpers too...

[ballin]

Didn't danny just do what alot of posters siding with the players in this lockout are saying other GM's should do? avoid paying a player Much more than he's worth? and in turn avoid handicapping the team 9million$ a year for a role player.

Dont get me wrong, Perkins is a good defensive player...but he is horrible offensively and excelled with the celtics because he didnt have to worry about scoring being surrounded by those guys. Rondo needs more scoring in the post

and instead of letting him walk for nothing(which Perk probably wouldve done), he gets Jeff Green(who either can be a piece for the future as a player OR trade piece) and a Clippers pick that could turn out to be a lottery pick player

I understand the anger in many people viewing it(or blaming it) as a reason for not beating miami, but who knows if Rondo didnt go down in that series and BBD gave his usual performance. Perkins looked downright horrible againsts the Grizzlies/Dallas..and we played well with Semih/kristic starting

for a team looking at Rebuilding in a year or so, I think Danny made a pretty good choice to set us up for the future, rather than come out empty handed or with a marginal player locked up long term...Belichick does this type stuff all the time, trading Moss, waiving merriweather

if more GM's were as hesitant as DA in overpaying for roleplayers, more teams would be in better shape

It was a terrible trade because

1) It greatly worsened our substantial chances at a championship

2) We didn't have to pay him after the season anyway; we could have easily let him walk. So your entire point about "saving money" is completely invalid.

[RockinRyA]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

the problem was, we were so riddled with injuries that he had to play the healthy ones more minutes than he wouldve liked esp the big 4.

[bfrombleacher]

2) We didn't have to pay him after the season anyway; we could have easily let him walk. So your entire point about "saving money" is completely invalid.

If we let him walk, we'd lose him for nothing. DA's move is a tiny bit more justified now that you mentioned this.

[dlpin]

It is amazing to me that there are people who still seriously believe that a Perkins that was at best 60% of his former self is the difference between losing in 5 games in the 2nd round and winning it all.

This isn't to defend the trade at all. The trade may very well end up being a bad trade. But it simply is not the reason why we didn't win a championship.

[Moranis]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

the problem was, we were so riddled with injuries that he had to play the healthy ones more minutes than he wouldve liked esp the big 4.

who would have backed up Pierce without the trade?

[Fafnir]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

the problem was, we were so riddled with injuries that he had to play the healthy ones more minutes than he wouldve liked esp the big 4.

who would have backed up Pierce without the trade?

Ray Allen, or someone like Anthony Parker who could be had for basically nothing.

[Chris]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

the problem was, we were so riddled with injuries that he had to play the healthy ones more minutes than he wouldve liked esp the big 4.

who would have backed up Pierce without the trade?

Ray Allen, or someone like Anthony Parker who could be had for basically nothing.

I am not sure this is true about Parker (and it has been a pet peeve of mine that people throw it out there like it would have been an easy deal).  I think the C's tried hard to get Parker, but Cleveland wanted way too much for him...remember, they were asking for Asik, who is a VERY good center prospect). 

Although I will concede the point, that they could have likely found a way to get a reasonable replacement other than Parker (perhaps Rasual Butler).

[Fafnir]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

the problem was, we were so riddled with injuries that he had to play the healthy ones more minutes than he wouldve liked esp the big 4.

who would have backed up Pierce without the trade?

Ray Allen, or someone like Anthony Parker who could be had for basically nothing.

I am not sure this is true about Parker (and it has been a pet peeve of mine that people throw it out there like it would have been an easy deal).  I think the C's tried hard to get Parker, but Cleveland wanted way too much for him...remember, they were asking for Asik, who is a VERY good center prospect). 

Although I will concede the point, that they could have likely found a way to get a reasonable replacement other than Parker (perhaps Rasual Butler).

I think we'd have been able to get a Parker level player. (Parker was vastly overrated byt he Cavs)

[Chris]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

the problem was, we were so riddled with injuries that he had to play the healthy ones more minutes than he wouldve liked esp the big 4.

who would have backed up Pierce without the trade?

Ray Allen, or someone like Anthony Parker who could be had for basically nothing.

I am not sure this is true about Parker (and it has been a pet peeve of mine that people throw it out there like it would have been an easy deal).  I think the C's tried hard to get Parker, but Cleveland wanted way too much for him...remember, they were asking for Asik, who is a VERY good center prospect). 

Although I will concede the point, that they could have likely found a way to get a reasonable replacement other than Parker (perhaps Rasual Butler).

I think we'd have been able to get a Parker level player. (Parker was vastly overrated byt he Cavs)

Fair enough.  We are in agreement then.  The Parker thing was just a pet peeve of mine, because it all came from the twisting of an actual rumor, where a media person decided to equate Semih and Asik, when in reality, they are nowhere near the same value. 

[BballTim]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

the problem was, we were so riddled with injuries that he had to play the healthy ones more minutes than he wouldve liked esp the big 4.

who would have backed up Pierce without the trade?

Ray Allen, or someone like Anthony Parker who could be had for basically nothing.

  Aside from trying to keep the image of Ray guarding LeBron out of my mind, it's worth pointing out that we got a number of players for basically nothing late last year, and they were by and large worth the price.

[Fafnir]

Maybe our Big 4 just didn't have what it took or the sum of our Big 4 just wasn't good enough to get past the talent of Miami's Big 2.

The Big 4 was good enough. Games 1 and 2 the refs were killing our momentum every time we fought. Game 3 the Big 4 became the Big 3.5 with the elbow and everything and the rest is history.

Speaking of the Big 4, it would probably have helped if Doc rested them more during the season. Hopefully we'd see less of our big guns this year during the regular season.

the problem was, we were so riddled with injuries that he had to play the healthy ones more minutes than he wouldve liked esp the big 4.

who would have backed up Pierce without the trade?

Ray Allen, or someone like Anthony Parker who could be had for basically nothing.

  Aside from trying to keep the image of Ray guarding LeBron out of my mind, it's worth pointing out that we got a number of players for basically nothing late last year, and they were by and large worth the price.

He did so with some serious success two years ago in the eastern conference semi-finals. Though obviously he recieved frequent help (but so does Pierce).

I do think that'd have been a much tougher thing to pull off given the Miami team compared to that Cleveland squad. Not to mention our backup SGs on Wade would also be problematic.