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Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2011, 06:12:10 PM »

Offline cman88

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we were a title contendor without Perkins, having semih start for a better part of 2 months...the guy only played in 12 games...also, Perkins was injured for about 2 weeks after the trade..

I just dont see how an injured hobbling perkins brings us past miami....JO played about as good as Perk could for us, but our problem was offense

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2011, 07:13:47 PM »

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I just feel like we could've gotten more for Perk.

Jeff Green was the best player in the deal my ass.

You don't trade young starting NBA centers for unproven tweener forwards.

Truth is Perk is not that great of a player.  What do you expect to get for him?  Dwight Howard?

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2011, 07:22:33 PM »

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I think the issue some people have is that Danny compromised a championship in order to save money / "get something" for Perk.  For most people who don't like the trade, getting Jeff Green and a draft pick wasn't worth the opportunity to win a title.

Weren't we the #1 seed at the time of the trade?  And we fell to #3, with the team falling apart mentally?  That's what people didn't like seeing.

The inevitable counter-argument is "we wouldn't have won anyway, because Rondo got hurt".  However, if we didn't trade Perk, there's absolutely no probability that Rondo and Wade would have gotten tangled up at that exact moment.  With no Perk trade, we might not have been playing Miami in the second round, we might have had home court, etc.  There absolutely definitely would have been different minute rotations and different players on the floor.  Rondo's injury wasn't inevitable.

Also, of course, there are the people who wouldn't have minded carrying Perk's salary going forward.  There are others who assume that Perk could have been signed-and-traded for a decent deal, at the very least including a trade exception.  However, even without that income, it all comes down to whether you think Jeff Green + draft pick was worth a shot at a championship. 

It's impossible to play the hypothetical of injuries happening or not happening based on the C's playing someone else.  Maybe Rondo would have been hurt worse in Round 1 if they played someone else.  Who knows?

I really didn't think Perk was going to make it back for the playoffs.  Once I saw him suited up for the Thunder my opinion of the trade changed a bit. 

The proof is in the pudding though.  The trade sucked for the short term.  We shall see about the long term.
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Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2011, 07:26:22 PM »

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That whole time of trade record arguement really holds no bearing.  We build that record up with a healthy Shaq Rondo Ray Paul KG BBD Semih Marquis.  There were no regular appearances by West Perkins or Jermaine; and as such you can't credit them for the record.

We started losing our place in the standings when Shaq Rondo KG Marquis BBD got injured at various points of the season.

How scary was it to see KG pull up just like he did a couple years back?  And people are still talking about Perkins being the huge impact despite the fact he didn't even suit up for what the first 50-55 games?

If our team was healthy the entire season last year I think we role over everybody to banner 18 with or without Perk.

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2011, 12:00:27 AM »

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Doc should have played Krstic more.  If Doc had done so, then trading Perk would have seemed like a reasonable thing for Danny to have done.

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2011, 06:06:03 AM »

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the problem, i see it, with the arguments on this blog is that they boil down 'the trade' to the value of each individual involved in terms of their individual stats, whether they're over or under rated, whether they will be over or under paid, etc.  looking at things from the individual standpoint is important, and you can obviously make a valid argument, but it always leaves out the impact the trade had on the team.  you can argue that they're professionals, they're highly paid, they should get over it, etc.  I say the celtics broke down last year in decidedly un-celtic fashion, to me it looked like they had given up well before the series was over, and there has to be a reason for it.

granted, injuries were a huge factor, and there's no telling what would have happened had we kept perk.  i'm not going to deny that.  but at this point, we can feel pretty certain that danny had little right to believe shaq was going to come back healthy (apparently shaq WARNED them this), there was no timetable for JO's return (amazingly he DID come back healthy and we still lost), and with perk, you had a championship squad that had never lost a playoff series together.

My argument and I think that of many others is that danny rolled the dice unnecessarily last season.  the big 4 were playing their best basketball of the big 4 era, we had the 1 seed, we were rolling.  and this came out of left field.  now we'll never know what would have happened without the trade, and we will be talking and arguing about it for years to come.

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2011, 10:52:02 AM »

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I feel like people forget that Jeff Green is going need to be resigned next year too. For a young kid with his talents, a team with cap space will probably throw a good amount of money at him ad he will end up walking too.

With Perkins we would have won the championship this year. I love Jeff Green and enjoy his game but he isnt going to get enough minutes to be effective. I hope we can trade him for a big, and fill the back up 3 with a role player who can come in and be effective in short spurts and less minutes.

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2011, 11:03:42 AM »

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With Perkins we would have won the championship this year.

You have no way of knowing that. If Danny Ainge had thought that was a likely outcome, he would not have made this trade, IMHO.

How about this: Even with Perkins, the Celtics wouldn't have made it past Miami.
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Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2011, 11:43:21 AM »

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We can get more out of Jeff Green.

If we can get Green to play with PP and Rondo, that is a heck of a lot different than playing alongside Durant and Westbrook.

Perk, I think is maxed out and he is breaking down. He's always had a balky shoulder(s) and now both his knees are vulnerable.


Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2011, 01:39:59 PM »

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Wow, the trade debate resurrected.  It is interesting to see if things look different now but apparently they don't.

The Celtics were the best team in Basketball for quite a stretch of the season but Perk made no contribution to this.  In fact for a good part of this, Erden was our primary big man.  We played better than at any point when Perk was in the rotation.  The only possible argument could be that Perk's presence on the bench motivated the team to play better.  I don't buy that.

This doesn't mean that Perk is bad or that Green is great but I think it does demonstrate Perk was not essential to the Celtics being a good team.  Perk also did very little to help get OKC over the hump.

I believe that if there was a mistake made by DA, it was that he thought Shaq would be back.  According to Shaq (I saw something the other day), he told DA he thought he was done.  DA either didn't listen or didn't care.

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2011, 01:44:19 PM »

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The trade was bad.


I didn't need to see Perk play in the first 50 games to know what he can do.  He had been the starter for the past 3 playoff seasons.  We know what Perk can do.


Last year was in the window.  We don't know if the window is still open or is the labor issue going to slam the window shut. 


Last year should have been pushing all the chips to the center of the table and not worrying about the rebuilding or resigning a player when the cap rules were not even written yet. 




Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2011, 03:18:31 PM »

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I wouldn't have traded Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers anf Tony Delk.

Time to move on.

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2011, 03:23:19 PM »

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It was a good trade and it was the right trade to make.

We got back healthy players for injured players.

We got back the best player in the deal.

We got back a draft pick.

I we didn't strap ourselves with a huge contract either.

We gave ourselves the best shot to win the title.

We robbed OKC in that trade.

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2011, 03:23:57 PM »

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I wouldn't have traded Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers anf Tony Delk.

Time to move on.

  I'm still peeved about that one, especially after they let Rogers walk, and we dumped Strickland (I think it was) because we were stuck with Delk's contract.

Re: My whole thing with the Perkins trade
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2011, 07:07:06 PM »

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It was a good trade and it was the right trade to make.

We got back healthy players for injured players.

We got back the best player in the deal.

We got back a draft pick.

I we didn't strap ourselves with a huge contract either.

We gave ourselves the best shot to win the title.

We robbed OKC in that trade.


Nothing I saw from Green say's "Best player in the deal"

I saw a tweener that didn't seem to fit off the Celtics bench on a team without a healthy C.